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Old 07-28-2012, 12:19 PM
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I bought a YJ -Yikes

I've wanted a jeep for a long time. Test drove numerous Jeeps and decided i wanted a Rubicon but 20G is a lot of bread.(2000) Anyway a friend of mine bought a new Rubicon and is selling his 1992 YJ for $11,000. The Jeep has an extra set of (new) tires (Muggers?) with rims for winter and some cool racks and already has a lift kit. (which is kind of high for me to get into.) He has put about $18,000 into this jeep. It has 96,000 miles on it. Rides good, handles good and frankly I like the looks of this Jeep better than his new one. Not really sure what my question is because I think this is a good deal but just wanted other opinions. What do you think? Was 1992 a good year, If you had a do over would you buy a different model?
Also on these lift kits, can you lower them or do you have to buy a whole new lift kit. It seems this one is pretty high.

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Seems really high; but if you like it, and have the money, only you can determine if its a good deal.

1992 is right in the middle of the change to the YJ series, so I suspect you shouldnt see too many problems that are out of the ordinary, but it also depends on what your friend has done to it.

Honestly, depending on your market, I would think 6-8k would be more realistic; but again it still depends on how you feel. $18,000 invested does mean $11k isnt too bad though assuming that is accurate; for that kind of money it should be show worthy as I see it.

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Oh, and as for the lift... depends on what was used to lift it. If there are body lift parts, I would pull them. If it was suspension then you would need to replace it to get it lower.

Of course that is assuming the axle is still on top of the springs; if the axle is under the springs you could grind off the mounts and re weld them on the other side of the axle tubes and get it lower for no extra money if you do that work yourself.
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I would put the 11K on a new Sport unless your sure you need a rubi.
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there isnt a 92 wrangler out there that is worth 11K even if its chrome plated from top to bottom. Just my opinion.

You cant factor in the extras, such as lift kit, tires and wheels, and things like that. That is just "bling" to try and make you buy. If he would take that YJ to a car dealer, he would be trading a 92 YJ, doesnt matter what lift or tires and wheels are on it.

Its still 20 years old. with 96,000 miles on it. Although that is low miles for being 20 yrs old. Its still not worth 11K.

You cant lower a lift kit, They come with arched springs, and the only way to "lower" it, is to replace that lift with a smaller one.

You feel that 20,000 is too much for a 2000 rubicon, but 11,000 is ok for a 92 YJ? I dont follow your way of thinking. But, if i were looking at the 92, my highest offer, and that would only be if its in "mint condition", would be 5,000.
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Note my title is misleading -I haven't written the check yet. Here is a pic of the Jeep. Somehow the first one didn't take.
It has new seats. new vacuum, lots of new stuff.
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Note my title is misleading -I haven't written the check yet. Here is a pic of the Jeep. Somehow the first one didn't take.
It has new seats. new vacuum, lots of new stuff.
Very nice, still seems a little high ($) in a way though.

Whats new vacuum though?
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Way too high in price, you can buy yourself a newer Jeep completely stock for that kind of coin.

Keep in mind when you buy a modified rig, you buy all of the problems the rig has. And don't tell me it doesn't have problems, because the owner is flat out lying to you. Any time you modify something beyond how it was designed, you will run into issues.
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Yea I agree. I would never spend 11000 on anything younger than 2000. I would keep looking there are great deals out there every day. Me and my wife drove 5 hours one way for ours worth every penny
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To high priced. You can get a jeep in the 2ks here do that much
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I paid $4400 for my 95yj Body is almost perfect, good tires, hard top, bikini top,duster, back guard,full and half doors. It ia all stock but runs great. yes it took 3 months for me to find the right deal but I am very picky and work very hard for my money so I dont like to spend it.lol I think it's to much money.
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I think I'm going to refrain from any input on pricing from here on out.
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Agreed, the jeep is a nice color has decent mods but 11k is too steep. Not sure from the pic what he has all done to it but If you really want it bad enough I would talk him down and based on how much you want this particular jeep go from there.
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without knowning the spec on the jeep can't give it a price. need to know engine, trans, t-case, axles, lockers no lockers, winch, kind of lift etc etc etc....
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without knowning the spec on the jeep can't give it a price. need to know engine, trans, t-case, axles, lockers no lockers, winch, kind of lift etc etc etc....
^this, and it depends on if YOU think its worth the money.

We can only offer advice based on our experiences; and honestly you may find just as good of jeep for less; but then you may not either. Knowing the specifics of all that he has done will be the key, as well as understanding you are still buying an older Jeep whose book value is significantly lower than that no matter what the mods are. What you end up buying here would be something that you would have done to a jeep in the first place, knowing the equipment installed and the quality of such, and know for a fact that you would have spent $18k to do that to it. So in that regard, it is a good deal.

But like I said, for that kind of money, I would expect everything should be new, and near show quality.
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Yeah ask your buddy for a full list of what he has done. Also, did he do it himself or get it done by someone else? No value can be figured without that. If he had been paying for parts and things and worked on it for years, V8, lockers, upgraded axles, Atlas TC, etc he can def have something worth 11k. Odds are it probably isn't worth more than 7 or 8k from the pic, but you never know what is in it you cant see. Dont buy it cause its shiny though, that's would just be dumb.
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Lol I find it funny that so many jump on the it isn't worth it band wagon.

Most of them have never spent the coin to build a rig. It is obvious by their reactions.

They remind me of my wife when I was Jeep shopping. I found a blown out YJ. Atlas II, geared and locked 44's front and rear, warn winch, sliders, boat sided, wilderness racks, high steer etc etc. Basically everything I wanted to do. She balked at the $13000 price tag. I bet if you were to ask her now she would pay it. Parts and labor add up quick. I do the work myself but it takes time from family.

If this person is truly your friend I would trust him over strangers on the Internet. Ask for receipts for the work. Also remember friendships have been ruined over money. Something to consider.

A list of upgrades would help. Built Jeeps are not like stock Jeeps and KBB or any other vehicle price guide is worthless once you put serious money in your vehicle. Try to buy a refurbished 60's Bronco for the price they quote. Lol

An example would be the Jeep that metal cloak was selling after they tricked it out. It was around $23K or 25k off the top of my head.

I challenge anyone to call the owner of metal cloak and tell him his Jeep is not worth that with all the time and money he put in it.

If you have never seen it look it up.
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I agree that after all the mods and work it should be worth more but the sad reality is that it dlu increases price...
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Really appreciate the comments. Somewhere in all of them I decided this is probably not the Jeep for me. Its probably more off road ready than I would ever take it. The lift is just too high to jump in and out of all day and as an older Jeep its going to require more maintenance than my abilities which means paying for someone else to do it. I trust my friend when he says he has 18 in it. Hey, he's a friend, friends don't ask for receipts. That may not have been the best move but I don't think money was a concern, it was the process if you know what I mean and occurred over 3-5 years and at least some of it was done by professionals and they don't come cheap. Anyway I really appreciate all your comments and they helped me get my head straight on what I want, probably a 2000-2006 Rubicon. Thanks again. The square headlights sure are cool though.
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Lol I find it funny that so many jump on the it isn't worth it band wagon.

Most of them have never spent the coin to build a rig. It is obvious by their reactions.

They remind me of my wife when I was Jeep shopping. I found a blown out YJ. Atlas II, geared and locked 44's front and rear, warn winch, sliders, boat sided, wilderness racks, high steer etc etc. Basically everything I wanted to do. She balked at the $13000 price tag. I bet if you were to ask her now she would pay it. Parts and labor add up quick. I do the work myself but it takes time from family.

If this person is truly your friend I would trust him over strangers on the Internet. Ask for receipts for the work. Also remember friendships have been ruined over money. Something to consider.

A list of upgrades would help. Built Jeeps are not like stock Jeeps and KBB or any other vehicle price guide is worthless once you put serious money in your vehicle. Try to buy a refurbished 60's Bronco for the price they quote. Lol

An example would be the Jeep that metal cloak was selling after they tricked it out. It was around $23K or 25k off the top of my head.

I challenge anyone to call the owner of metal cloak and tell him his Jeep is not worth that with all the time and money he put in it.

If you have never seen it look it up.
You got it. Jeeps can be worth a lot. I paid $2100 for mine and have dropped over $1000 into it, but it is worth it. Once I am done it will be worth over $10k. All depends on how far someone takes it.
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I bought a 92 wrangler about 6 months ago and only paid 2k for it. Average price for that year is 4 to 6k in my area (northern utah). Personally 11k sounds a bit high as others have stated.
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It's all in what the seller and buyer agree on. I laughed last week when a guy offered me 25k for my 87.
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The reality of retail on mod parts is this, as soon as you buy it off the shelf its worth roughly 50% of what you paid. Labor not paid for is labor without a value in the real world. The bottom line on everything custom is that its worth what the market will pay for it. If you are going to use a Jeep as a daily driver an just "gussy it up' these guys are right on. Shop, shop, shop and shop some more. Narrow down the what you want, find a median price for that and then shop some more. I spent over 6 months shopping for my 08 Impala SS. Average in my area with higher mileage than I got was 24K and up (this was in 2010). After pounding the internet, going to dealers and private owners I got the color I wanted, in the condition I wanted and with only 14K on it for $18K and change, from a dealer in NC, with a warranty. I am fortunate that I travel extensively all over the SE and that gave me an edge, but the in the end, after doing my work and due diligence, I got what I wanted for price better that what I was willing to pay. Drive some Jeeps, narrow your search parameters to withing a range you can work with then go huntin'. Its out there somewhere!

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I agree that after all the mods and work it should be worth more but the sad reality is that it dlu increases price...
That is just absurd. Go to the dealer and buy a new car. Take on all the upgrades and see if the price changes. Try to tell them their upgrades like factory lift etc don't add value. They will tell you to pound sand and sell it to someone else.

Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

According to who? Where do you get your information that it doesn't increase prices. It is easy to make unfounded claim but the reality is that you can not go and buy a built Jeep for what you pay for a Jeep close to stock configuration. You can find deals however.

You may not be willing to pay the price but then you would not be the buyer for that particular product. Just like I wouldn't pay an arm and a leg for a baseball card or any other sports memorabilia. That doesn't devalue the product for that particular market. It just isn't worth it to me.

Btw go ahead and say KBB is your source Lol.
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That is just absurd. Go to the dealer and buy a new car. Take on all the upgrades and see if the price changes. Try to tell them their upgrades like factory lift etc don't add value. They will tell you to pound sand and sell it to someone else.

Sorry but you don't know what you are talking about.

According to who? Where do you get your information that it doesn't increase prices. It is easy to make unfounded claim but the reality is that you can not go and buy a built Jeep for what you pay for a Jeep close to stock configuration. You can find deals however.

You may not be willing to pay the price but then you would not be the buyer for that particular product. Just like I wouldn't pay an arm and a leg for a baseball card or any other sports memorabilia. That doesn't devalue the product for that particular market. It just isn't worth it to me.

Btw go ahead and say KBB is your source Lol.
Let me rephrase. It won't increase nearly as much as its worth. You can put 10k of mods in it but youd be a fool to think you'll get that money back. So I apologize if that got your panties in a bunch, but that's it. And its common sense, if you think you'll get full value for what you put into it then whoever buys it from you is a fool.
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I've never lost a dime on one I built. I guess I'm just lucky.
My father, and I to some degree, have only lost money rebuilding cars. Typically put thousands into them, only to have them only worth half or so because they are still a 19xx 20+ y/o vehicle.

Only time I made money is when I bought a $400 Taurus, it got hit and totaled. We bought it back from the insurance company and sold it for $600... plus the $1000 they gave to us.


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