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Old 06-30-2015, 01:38 AM
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Learned something new about my jeep today...

I learned something new about me jeep today, which is my first... Vehicle. It's a 1990 yj on 33s with the 4.2

Naturally, it doesn't have ABS, and up until today, I had never lost control of a vehicle. Not even once. But, until I got my jeep, I only drove relatively new German cars with MANY safety features. I guess you could call me a bit ignorant. When I got my jeep, I just thought screw it, I'm not going to spend my life being afraid of dying, I'm going to live my life how I want to live it. No, I do not drive recklessly, and I believe that can be my downfall at times, like today.

Anyways, what happened was that I was driving my jeep to the store, and the light turned yellow. For some reason, I decided that I was going to stop instead of going through the yellow. I was going roughly 40 miles an hour, and the light, (it is a very busy intersection where I live) turned yellow. So, I pressed the brakes as hard as I could, and it did not turn out well. The thing is, I have done this before. I have been driving in a busy 2 lane street and had a woman pull out into the street in front of me, and look at me like a deer in headlights. It was wet, and I pressed the brakes as hard as possible, and I stopped somewhat quickly with no lockup. But this time, in 90 degree weather, that is not what happened. As soon as I pressed the brakes, the tires locked up, and I went into a slide. The jeep jerked left, and I corrected, then right, and I corrected, and then left again, and finally to a stop, half way into the intersection. I immediately backed out of the intersection and proceeded to sweat, and breathe quickly. A lot... Call me melodramatic, but I was surprised. Up until this point, I have had full trust in my jeep. It has never felt tippy in the slightest, and I had never lost control. Until today... Anyways, I'm thanking my lucky stars that it didn't go more sideways and roll, and thanking myself for not over correcting too much. However, on my drive home, I found myself questioning myself every time I touched that brake pedal, and I guess I'm a bit of a wimp now. I don't know why the brakes locked up this time, and not last. Maybe my squats have been working

Anyways, feel free to give me advice, words of wisdom, or just tell your own stories. A small part of me thinks this may have just been our creator telling me to quit being so cocky, and I am grateful I had this experience, and am learning more about my jeep every day. God knows I need a checkmate every now and then to keep my driving in line, seeing to the fact that I am the notorious male 16 year old driver haha. Thanks for reading this!

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Experience.....it's what you get when you dont get what you intended.

You gained some valuable insight, and skills.

You found out whats on the other side of "the edge". Now, you can try to safely find out where the edge is and how you can go right up to it without going over. Thats how you become a jedi.

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X2 what DREDnot said. YJs were built with technology that was developed in the 1940s. They are only a little better than the CJs and not a whole lot better than the military jeeps. Add in the larger tires on a short wheelbased vehicle and you get a "HEADS UP" from our Creator. For what it is worth, Brakes Plus will check your brakes for free. I love German cars for long trips but I love my Jeep for everything else. Drive easy until you get to know your Jeep better. Good Luck, L.M.
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Back when all the snow was melting I had just purchased my latest yj and was driving down the road, lil more tired from the night before than I thought and my tires crept over onto the shoulder and it grabbed my jeep in the mud real quick and before I knew it my yj was sideways in the middle of the road, I contribute it to the muddy shoulders, 5 am, and the 12" wide tires. Just goes to show you can never let your guard down in these things. These drive like 40's jeeps not 2012 Jk's
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Pump the brakes when they lock up. Or just follow Dreds advice
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ya if you dont respect the jeep it will kick your arse.. maybe through some extra underroos in the center console..
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Pump the brakes when they lock up. Or just follow Dreds advice
I second that , by letting off pressure on the brakes and reapplying quickly it allows the tires to stop sliding, same effect as anti-lock brakes. This needs to be a quick reaction and takes a lot of practice to get right. Take the jeep out in and empty dirt field and practice quick stops. Another thing is do not jab on the breaks, more even pressure will stop you much quicker. Also practice gearing down at the same time so the engine helps you slow down. Practice and it becomes an automatic reaction. But if you drive something with ABS don't pump the brakes. Manufacturers tell us old timers do not pump the brakes, that is because the newer cars do it for you. They don't want drivers to have to think for themselves.
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X2 what DREDnot said. YJs were built with technology that was developed in the 1940s. They are only a little better than the CJs and not a whole lot better than the military jeeps. Add in the larger tires on a short wheelbased vehicle and you get a "HEADS UP" from our Creator. For what it is worth, Brakes Plus will check your brakes for free. I love German cars for long trips but I love my Jeep for everything else. Drive easy until you get to know your Jeep better. Good Luck, L.M.
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I second that , by letting off pressure on the brakes and reapplying quickly it allows the tires to stop sliding, same effect as anti-lock brakes. This needs to be a quick reaction and takes a lot of practice to get right. Take the jeep out in and empty dirt field and practice quick stops. Another thing is do not jab on the breaks, more even pressure will stop you much quicker. Also practice gearing down at the same time so the engine helps you slow down. Practice and it becomes an automatic reaction. But if you drive something with ABS don't pump the brakes. Manufacturers tell us old timers do not pump the brakes, that is because the newer cars do it for you. They don't want drivers to have to think for themselves.
All good things but what I think, IMHO, it boils down to what is not taught as much nowadays. Defensive driving. Watching everything that is going on around you and be ready with an action. Cars breaking 5 cars ahead, let off the gas. Oncoming traffic trying to make a left hand turn in front of you, give them some space if needed. Night driving, use the headlights from the cars ahead to extend how far you can see obstacles in front of you.
Nowadays it should mean stay off the cell and don't text.

Things go wrong, badly, in seconds and sometimes it's all the time you need to avoid the accident.
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All good things but what I think, IMHO, it boils down to what is not taught as much nowadays. Defensive driving. Watching everything that is going on around you and be ready with an action. Cars breaking 5 cars ahead, let off the gas. Oncoming traffic trying to make a left hand turn in front of you, give them some space if needed. Night driving, use the headlights from the cars ahead to extend how far you can see obstacles in front of you. Nowadays it should mean stay off the cell and don't text. Things go wrong, badly, in seconds and sometimes it's all the time you need to avoid the accident.
Great post ! I agree
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I guess I would question why it led to a sideways slide. I've locked up my brakes when a car made a left in front of me and I slid straight. Could be one side is grabbing more than the other, maybe fluid on the disc or caliper going south. Could have been something on the road where one tire grabbed and the other slid. Either way I'd want to try out the brakes a bit more at a slower speed with no other cars around to make sure there is not other issues. I guess I'm old, but I always become accustomed to how the brakes react in emergencies so I'm not surprised when I have to use them.
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I drive a big truck in Fla and unfortunately no exaggeration I watch people die or just totally effup themselves and their vehicles e every day from texting. Dude I'll take a drunk driver any day over a tech zombie. At least the drunk is watching the road or both of them !
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Without antilocks ur vehicle slides and if ur tires are a little bit turned ur going sideways.. let off brake correct hit brake.. sometimes u need gas to power outta a slide something u should practice.. those of us lucky enough to grow up without antilocks it just a natural reaction..
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I guess I would question why it led to a sideways slide. I've locked up my brakes when a car made a left in front of me and I slid straight. Could be one side is grabbing more than the other, maybe fluid on the disc or caliper going south. Could have been something on the road where one tire grabbed and the other slid. Either way I'd want to try out the brakes a bit more at a slower speed with no other cars around to make sure there is not other issues. I guess I'm old, but I always become accustomed to how the brakes react in emergencies so I'm not surprised when I have to use them.
Agree. These short wheelbase vehicles are more prone to react in ways someone may be used to and much quicker. A mechanical issue would be exaggerated in a hurry.

I drive a 93, no ABS, air bags, lane change warning, blind spot monitor, back up camera, is underpowered. What it does have is a driver that grew up with vehicles like this. And after driving like a dope in my younger years (dad's poor catalina took a beating no car should have to) and after taking a motorcycle defensive driving class it finally clicked, slow down, watch the other drivers. Good maintenance goes hand and hand. You can hold off on the 50in light bar but should not neglect things like the brakes.
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this is a great story for all folks to have to read or 'experience'... it is important to know the limits so as to not cross them... but the issue here is adding more to the 'mix'...

locking up the brakes on asphalt or cement on a hot day is not the same as doing it on slick roads or with tires that have less then ideal tread/traction...

I think part of what you describe, the jump to the side may be from having the most excellent traction, and thenhopping when the brakes were applied, and then going to the extreme of having another excellent traction MOMENT, to another reactive brake/hop, REPEAT.

large tires are puting your brake to the limit of the designed braking distance while also increasing your traction...

anyways... when I had my similar incident, my jeep didnt HOP to the side.. it just didnt stop within the distance I thought/expected it should have and I was closing down on the vehicle in front of me, FAST

I left that spot with a very elevated heart rhythm
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Without antilocks ur vehicle slides and if ur tires are a little bit turned ur going sideways.. let off brake correct hit brake.. sometimes u need gas to power outta a slide something u should practice.. those of us lucky enough to grow up without antilocks it just a natural reaction..
Someone growing up without anti-locks should have fewer "u" and "ur" in his posts...
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Someone growing up without anti-locks should have fewer "u" and "ur" in his posts...
agreed, that makes my brain hurt trying to read it,
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Someone growing up without anti-locks should have fewer "u" and "ur" in his posts...
Agreed. Never did understand this attempted shorthand. Seems any time saved in typing is lost on the read.
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I drive a big truck in Fla and unfortunately no exaggeration I watch people die or just totally effup themselves and their vehicles e every day from texting. Dude I'll take a drunk driver any day over a tech zombie. At least the drunk is watching the road or both of them !
You see an accident EVERY DAY?
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yes i suck at typing full sentences but you get what i mean.. too much texting my wife
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I'll second the idea of finding an empty lot (for pavement) or a field or something and start experimenting with what is safe. I don't mean go insane (like we all did when I was young) but test out how quickly you can stop. Practice pumping the brakes. Do some skidding around to get used to the way your vehicle responds. If you really live in Alaska, then naturally when there is snow on the ground, it's a whole new ball game. Four wheel drive is great, I mean great, but it's not an excuse to drive like an idiot either. When the snow is on the ground, go out to your favorite empty lot / field / etc. and do it all again! Try in 2WD, 4WD, stopping, starting, going up hills, down hills, braking, downshifting, all that fun stuff.

When I was 17 (I lived in NJ and we had to wait until we were 17 to get a license) I never really understood what my dad meant when he said that he had a lot of driving experience. I knew that he had driven for a lot of years, but the experience is now, at age 42, something I can understand. You have to have been in a lot of situations. Lots of near-accidents. Keep your head. Sometimes the brakes are not the best idea.

Practice, and as you will find, experience are what will make you the best driver you can be.

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Absolute truth I saw 12 wrecks yesterday just going from Gainesville to Tampa . At least 3 were DOA . facebook is the first step to face planting. I suggest putting yer favorite jelly taste on the steering wheel before leaving home so at least when it happens there will be at least on thing enjoyable before you swallow yer teeth.
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Bought my first Jeep Wrangler recently, a 94, and I found out that driving is a little twitchy due to the short wheel base. The steering is quick so I just slow things down and don't get in a hurry.
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Boy, I'm surprised to see a 1990 yj jeep tires lock-up in front on hot pavement with 33" tires!

I agree, emergency braking on a YJ is an art that must be learn and mastered.

Couple of things might affect braking anyway. Mif you gaot 33" on a YJ, you must have a lift. Mis it stiff? You could also have gotten bump stear that tehn affected braking stability. How are your rear brake, they would not lock up, but they should at least help with stability.

In my case, I have to re learn how to brake my new to me tjl when loaded.

My yj became a better braker over the years with a early bronco d44 front with 79 f-1500 front disk brake and the bigger ford 9" rear disk brake added to the rubicon express reverse shaclke front spring. Mthe suspension was flexing so much that the weight transfert toward to front was making even the 35"x10.5 bogger grad like crazy, even with a trailer.

I've lost all that with the LJ and will work to make it better by transfering those diff later this year.
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I agree I also grew up without all of the new advancements and drove crazy when I was much younger I learned what to do when the car goes into a slide. Snow also helps you learn how they react!

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