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Old 04-10-2011, 09:27 AM
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Lift and tire question

Hey everyone,
I'm sure we've all heard of Rough Country springs sagging. I was wondering if this is only for the 4 inch lift kit? Or does it apply for both 2.5 inch and 4 inch?

With a 2.5 inch lift I'm planning to run 31s. My Jeep is stock with the 4.0 and 3.07 gears. Will I be okay on 31 inch Duratracs on the highway and offroad?

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I can't answer for the saggy springs but I would figure yes the 2.5s would also sag just because they are the same company... now with 31s you should be okay with stock gearing, you will notice a slight power drop but in my book it will not be enough to warrant the money spent on regearing. I still have 3.55 gearing with a 4" lift and 33s.... and its kinda sluggish due to that fact. Let us know what you decide and remember post pics!!!!!

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Thanks a lot. I was going to do a 4 inch lift with 33s but I can't afford regearing right now and YJ axles with 4.10s seem hard to come by. So I figured I'd do 2.5 lift with 31s because the trails I ride on don't really need a huge lift. Heck I'm stock and I'm doing fine. Plus, it's mostly on the road anyways.

I'm planning ahead though. I probably won't have the lift for another month and a half.
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I would honestly spend the extra money for a quality lift the first time around. I really dislike my RC lift. It's really rough, the springs are sagging, and the shocks suck. The drop pitman arm provided also has play in it.

A lot of people will probably chime in claiming that RC is great, but I'm just giving my opinion. I find most of their stuff low quality. You really get what you pay for....
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I have almost that same setup, but with the 2.5 engine.
I installed RC 2.5 inch lift about 6 months ago and mounted 31 inch Duratracs a couple of weeks ago. I was running 30 inch Firestone AT's and really didn't notice a huge difference going one size up. I wouldn't mind a regearing now, but can get along fine with what I have at the moment. I'm planning an 8.8 rear end swap at some point, and will probably regear as part of the project.
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I'm weary of going with RC because of what I heard, so I'm deciding to spend the extra money and buy the Rubicon Express kit. It looks to me like it's the best kit for under $800 and it includes everything I need. Thanks MikeMYJ (my name is Mike too).

And thanks nzpete. How do you like the duratracs? And the look of the lift and tires? I'm hoping the power I have over the 2.5 will compensate for the lousy gearing I have. I wish I had 4.10s like you
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Dude go with rc I did my 4" lift and have no complaints also about half the price of all other lifts
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And no it is a really great lift, may be the other guys don't know how to put a lift in
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And no it is a really great lift, may be the other guys don't know how to put a lift in
I'm not really sure where the logic is here. How does someones ability to install a lift kit have anything to do with leaf springs sagging?

I don't really like someone rudely denying my opinion like you have just done. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and I don't mind when people do. Everyone has different experiences, and you should respect that.

This forum is set up to share opinions. Your opinion is not better than anybodies, nor is theirs.
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I am very happy with my RC lift. It has been on my Jeep for almost 3 years now and the only problem I had was when I flipped a shackle. I contacted RC, they sent me a new set of front springs after I showed proof of purchase.

If you are able to find the Rubicon Express kit, then that is fine also. I have never heard of someone getting the RE kit and wishing they purchased a economy kit instead. Good luck with the project and post up some before and after pics.

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Yeah, finding an RE kit is going to be tough right now. They are under financial reconstruction, which sounds like they are going out of business.
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dang i forgot about that. Why is lift shopping so difficult lol. RE is my first choice. So when I'm ready to purchase I'll call around.

Any other suggestions on kits besides RE and RC? I was thinking of Skyjacker but they look over priced. Rancho screws you over and says U-bolts and shocks sold separately. Basically, I'm looking for the most complete kit I can find. I'm also going to buy short brake line extensions so I don't mess up my brakes when I flex.. Even though it's only a 2.5 inch lift haha
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I just did a lot of research on these and mikemyj has some great thoughts in other threads about the quality of RC vs OME. I went the elcheapo route and ordered a 2.5" RC lift last week. However, I did upgrade the shocks and went with the upgraded steering stabilizer bar as well. How will this work out? I have no idea, but what I do know is that it has GOT to be an improvement over the flat if not frowning springs I have now and god only knows how old shocks.......so, all this being said, most of all this depends on 1. how are you going to use it and 2. current cash flow. me? I seldom go off roading and figured the RC would work out fine. If I went off roading a lot, then I would have stepped up to the OME as mikemyj suggests.

You are correct about skyjacker and Rancho. They charge a bucket load for their equipment and don't include the shocks. If you want something somewhere between the RC and OME, and still get the shocks included, I'd go with Black Diamond.

Not trying to dog your opinion of RE, but if they are really going under, you'll never get support if you need it.
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No I totally agree with you on RE, I just totally forgot that they were having problems.

I go offroading on average once a week. The trails are nothing extreme either. Does anyone know the reason why RC springs sag? Is it due to running them hard? Or just the weight of the vehicle?

I was going to buy black diamond at first but I want a tire that will fill in the wheel well. But a 31 inch tire would look a bit small in the wheel well with a 3.5 inch lift. And I cant run any bigger than 31s because my gearing.
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No I totally agree with you on RE, I just totally forgot that they were having problems.

I go offroading on average once a week. The trails are nothing extreme either. Does anyone know the reason why RC springs sag? Is it due to running them hard? Or just the weight of the vehicle?

I was going to buy black diamond at first but I want a tire that will fill in the wheel well. But a 31 inch tire would look a bit small in the wheel well with a 3.5 inch lift. And I cant run any bigger than 31s because my gearing.
K you can run bigger tires no matter your gearing, it will just suck.... trust me I know..... Look at the Pro comp lift it seems to have everything included and I like the procomp lift I have on my sierra, even though a jeep yj is completly different than a gmc sierra maybe the quality will still be the same...
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Well I have to tell you I am running on the other end of the extreme. I went for the "quality" lift and did the RE 2-1/2" lift with their shocks about 2 years ago. First thing I ran into was the shocks didn't clear in the rear and had to be inverted to clear. Next has been constant rust between the springs of the leaf packs. Third has been a most unimpressive ride.

Not sure I'd spend the money on them again if they come out of reorg.

Everyone I've talked to recently as I am looking to go to a 4" lift is recommending the new Rough Country lift kits.
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I've heard RC had problems with sagging springs and corrected that problem with upgraded springs. I've also read that if you have a problem they would ship you new springs. Pretty respectable thing to do, you have to give them that. The bad parts is you have to change them out.

I don't know enough about the different lift kits to throw out an opinion.

I bought the 4" RC kit after hearing the spring problem was solved. All I can say is let's see if they sag. As far as a rough ride goes. I'll let you know I should be on the road next week.
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If you are looking for a kit that has a lot of "respect" in the industry and have the cash flow for it, look into BDS. They offer lifetime warranty (the same as RC) but tend to have a lot of people that prefer them over the other guys. While some may have had issues with Rough County and sagging springs or bad customer service, I have been very happy with my lift and the quality of ride and customer service.

A lot of my opinion comes from driving on flat, actually very worn springs that arched upward, to the RC lift. The ride was a bit stiffer as is expected, but the lift was almost 6" over the old springs. Even with the 31" tires I run, I love the look. Gives me a little more room before my tires rub the fender wells and I have not lost a lot of freeway drivability due to going with larger tires. If you would like to see pics of my Jeep, here is a link to my photo bucket account of the Meet n Greet in July. It is the silver YJ. Wrangler Forum MeetnGreet 2010 pictures by turdhurdler - Photobucket

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I just got the 4" RC lift and so far have no complaints at all... It rides smoother than it did with stock springs, its still bumpy but its a YJ there all bumpy. So far i am very happy with it!
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I purchased the RC 4" almost a year ago and thus far have no complaints. I have the new springs and upgraded my shocks. Its a little rough but its a jeep! No sagging! I can't compare it to the RE but for the price I'm very pleased!
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I can't say anything on the lift. All I have is a 2 inch shackel and 3 inch body(came on the Jeep). I will say I have a stock 89 yj with the 4 cyl. and I run 33 inch baja claws and I don't have any problems with the motor turning them over. I run 75 on the highway and throw 50 foot rooster tails in the mud. No I can't put it in 5th with a good head wind but most of the time it will hold 70 to 75 in fifth with no problems and I get better gas milage than My 2 wheel drive truck.
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I'm weary of going with RC because of what I heard, so I'm deciding to spend the extra money and buy the Rubicon Express kit. It looks to me like it's the best kit for under $800 and it includes everything I need. Thanks MikeMYJ (my name is Mike too).

And thanks nzpete. How do you like the duratracs? And the look of the lift and tires? I'm hoping the power I have over the 2.5 will compensate for the lousy gearing I have. I wish I had 4.10s like you
Didn't rubicon express go out of business?
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Didn't rubicon express go out of business?
They are under financial reconstruction.
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They are under financial reconstruction.
Which means? Lol
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I may be looking at RC this time around. I can't seem to find any other kit that's not over priced.
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hey YJ man - i was in the same boat about a month back. i ended up doing the RC 2.5" lift and the only problem i had was they shorted me on the nuts for the rear ubolts (didnt come with any) seems like a very rough ride for now but im sure they will break in soon. my jeep already had a 2" body lift. before i started with the RC Spring kit i measured from the bottom of the rocker to the garage floor was 20". installed the kit and put on the new 33" tires and measured again at 25.5"! you are going to want bigger tires than 31" if you are looking to fill the wheel well. here are a few pics. you can see the diference between the 31" on just the body lift and then after with the 33" with the 2.5" RC. the problem now is my gearing . my 3.07 gears SUCK big time with the 33" tires. will do somthing aobut that mid summer maybe.
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Nice jeep man.

A few questions about those 33s

Do you notice a difference in your gas mileage?
Can you still hit 4th gear?

I've got the 3.07s too but I cant afford to regear right now and I dont see any axles with 4.10s in them around.
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Nice jeep man.

A few questions about those 33s

Do you notice a difference in your gas mileage?
Can you still hit 4th gear?

I've got the 3.07s too but I cant afford to regear right now and I dont see any axles with 4.10s in them around.

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i have not driven it enough yet to calculate the gas milage but im sure it just went to crap!! i seem to be having a severe vibration taking off from stop and very bad on incline. after reading up on this forum sounds like my torque arm might be bad?? not sure.. i can hit fourth gear ok but might as well take 5th gear right out completly. find myself going from 3rd to 4th gear alot and have not had to put into 5th yet. gears are in the future of this 93'.
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I know of a yj being striped for parts right now. It was an automatic. If it has 4.10's would you be interested. The last jeep was offered to me for 200 bucks.

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