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Old 02-28-2006, 07:10 AM
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Oil Problem....

Hello everybody,

I'm a newbie from belgium, and have a question....
I recently bought a '88 yj wrangler, imported in Belgium from Canada,
and got a little prob...
I use my wrangler to tow a trailer, and recently, while trying to go and unload a pile of dirt loaded onto the trailer, and tried to back it up in to a muddy strip of land, got stuck there, so we had to detach the trailer to get out of it again.... some other dude drivin' a nissan patrol had to come and pull the trailer out of it again....shame on me.... i felt horibble ....
I parked my yj on the road again, and when i returned is saw a puddle of oil under my honey....
A few days later, something started smelling in the cabine while i was unhooking an other trailer, smelled like burning plastic, but turned out to be oil on the upper part of the motor, the gasket I guess??
The question now is, do I have to fear for my the life of my sweety, or is this simply to repair by putting a new gasket-sealer under the gasket? Second question, where did the oil under the car come from? Could it be coming from the oil filter, since I did put a lot of strain on the motor, trying to get it out of the mud? Please help me, since my wife said to me that "that pile of sé"'(ç could not cost another dime...." I hope the cost willl not be too big....

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Old 02-28-2006, 09:48 PM   #2
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What's a cabine? Hopefully, we can give you some help.

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Old 03-01-2006, 02:03 AM
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Hello Amerijeep,

seems my english ain't that good sometimes....
When I said "cabine", I meant the cockpit, place where the steering wheel is located....where you sit to drive the car....
Maybe my translation of the word was a bit to litturally from the dutch....
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Have you been noticing a sweet smell at all? Or white smoke out of the tail pipe? Have you looked at your oil or your coolant to make sure they haven't mixed? Those are all signs of a busted head gasket.

So when you strained your engine did it over heat at all? Was your jeep at an extreme angle for a prolonged amount of time? And finally last I can think of right now is how much oil would you say is leaking out of your jeep on a daily basis?
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:09 PM   #5
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The valve cover gasket is a cheap and easy part to change. It won't hurt to start there. You should be able to see roughly where the oil is coming from. Either above the seam between the head and the block or below. If there is no oil above this seam it is going to cost you a bit more to change the head gasket. A lot of times when a head gasket goes bad you start to mix your oil and antifreeze. The oil is lighter that the antifreeze and will come to the top of the radiator. The antifreezr in the oil will also make the oil foamy. These are a couple of things to look at to partially rule out the head gasket.
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Old 03-01-2006, 08:58 PM   #6
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Hello Amerijeep,

seems my english ain't that good sometimes....
When I said "cabine", I meant the cockpit, place where the steering wheel is located....where you sit to drive the car....
Maybe my translation of the word was a bit to litturally from the dutch....
Thanx in advance
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You're English is as good as mine, Brother. Just wasn't familiar with the teminology. I see the boys are giving you good help.
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Old 03-02-2006, 08:13 AM
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hey everyone,

thanx for the quick replies, only thing i find not so pleasant is the time difference between europe and usa... i have to wait half a day to post my reply.... this said...

I 've looked at the cap where you fill the oil on top of the block, and found there a little bit of grey looking goo, but when reading up on the internet, discovered that this is perfectly normal...

I recently(about 2 weeks ago) had a maintenance done by a specialist called "Jeep design" in a town called Lint, who stated that the Jeep, although he/she ain't that young, is still in very reasonable condition... Except from a little bit of goo in the cap , there is nothing else to see down the hole where you pore in the oil, but an oily gloss that can only be described as new oil, no sign of foam...

My Jeep runs on both unleaded fuel and LPG, ('cause it's hardly affordable over here to let it run all the time on unleaded, it costs about 1.5 euros per liter wich is about 4.74 us$/gallon...go figure why we let our motors run on LPG...that only costs about 1.2 us$ /gallon) which brings me to to next point of interest, the white smoke... It only smokes when the motor is cold, which is also normal i think. When the motor is a bit warm, I go to LPG, which gives a little smoke further on, but when the motor is really up to temperature, the smoke disappears. What you got when you let it run on LPG is that you see moist comming out of the tailpipe, and that seems to be normal too, since LPG turns more in to waterdamp when it is burned...
About the oil underneath the car, after the strain I put on the motor, there was a puddle of about 20 cm in diameter under it, and a few days later, after a trip of 31 miles, about the same amount of it, but since then , I didn't see any oil anymore under it... I did seem to have overheated the motor a bit, since it smelled like it had been working far too hard. It was on an even piece of land, but i must say, since i have had a problem with the vacuumdisconnect, I only have 2 x 4 in stead of 4 x 4, and the trailer I was trying to back up in the mud, was loaded with aproximatly 3000 kg of dirt, while the trailer itself weight about 1500 kg ....Maybe a bit too much for my 4cyl 2.5l.....
Later on, when I was pulling another trailer, and left the cockpit for about five minutes, there was a smell of what I thought was burning plastic, but what turned out to be the oil on the valve cover being heated .

Hope you guys can give me some more 'splaining 'bout wots happening with my sweety?

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4500 KG? wouldn't that be 9000 pounds or so? If thats the case then I'd say yes, you're workin that jeep too hard. My 2.5 does its best just to carry around a few passengers on the freeway. But anyways, yeah, I would just go ahead and drain your coolant, change your oil and replace that head gasket. If this doesn't fix it, you've got more serious problems.
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Again a message from Belgium...

I probably found out what was wrong with my beauty. It turned out to be the valve cover (which is made from plastic). It appeared to be that the previous owner had tightened the nuts too hard, made the plastic crack around the bolts, saw his mistake and then loosened them back. After a while he found a new buyer (yours truly....) who didn't see what had happened, since the owner cleaned up the mess it 'd made. After straining the engine, I found the oilleak, so I tightened the loose nuts a bit further, which lead to even more oilspillage...and the unpleasant sight of a cracked valve cover....
So I went to the nearest salvage yard of Jeep products, found me a used valve cover (which by the way costed me about 80 us$ including a package of "right stuff gasket sealer"). I also did some research on the internet, and found out that a new valve cover over there in America costs about 30 $ including a gasket. Only problem then, is that the piece you order would cost less then the shipping costs.... so now I'm looking for someone who could order (when in need of parts) for me, and then mail them to me via regular post. This would take a bit longer for the pieces to arrive, but would give a great difference in dollars/euros....if you're interested, let me please know, maybe we can work out something....

So with my new old valvecover and no mechanical background whatsoever, I went to work on my beauty, and after an hour and half, was glad to say that the work was done!!! I have done a testride, and I think the oilleak is gone!! Have to check out once more, when all the oil which is stil on the motorblock has burned off, but the smell is practicly gone sine then!

I would nevertheless want to thank the people who directly replied to my post, allthough it was nothing you guys said it could be, I now know what to look for in the future when expiriencing simmilar problems! And I now know that those things are all oki doki ! So thanx again ey!

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I am actually surprised none of us thought about that...myself included. I am sure most of us have encountered the cracked valve covers on our junk. I upgraded mine to a nice cast aluminum piece. Won't have that problem again. Glad you got it sorted out and learned a thing or two in the process. Another thing I hope you learned, the towing capacity for a Wrangler is around 2000 pounds.

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