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Old 09-16-2016, 08:53 PM
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Polyurethane Bushings & Lubricants

Ok so I have in hand a set of shackles with grazeable polyurethane bushings.

As I understand it from the instructions I need to acquire a specific type of lube.

Of course the manufacturer sells some, but that will take a few days to acquire.

So I set out to look for a lubricant compatible with poly-u bushing.

Everywhere I went ..... Advanced / AutoZone / Pepboys and such I was looked at like I had a third eye.

I went so far as to call some manufacturers ( who had 800 numbers on product ) and none of them would say their stuff was compatible.

The manufacturer says ' use our stuff or a silicone and/or teflon lubricant. '

Their product is a blend of both.

So I went into another Pepboys and searched out an older employee, someone well into their 40's and maybe into their 50's. ( young kids these day, well you know. ) Anyone the old guy says " come with me " and we end up at a display of Polyurethane bushings ..... of course their bushings come with the lubricant. But we did find lubricant alone, a pack of three small tubes from the company.

Their name is " Energy Suspension ". Product is called " Formula 5 Prelube "

My question is this .......

Who is running with polyurethane bushings and what other lubricants will work with them.

Of and AMAZON PRIME is AMAZING as I have some from the manufacturer on the way. Ordered this afternoon, will be here tomorrow.

But dammit I could not believe that it could not be sourced locally, even from a so called custom speed shop.

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I just got some poly as well. As I understand it, Lithium based grease is what you want. Petrol based is supposed to eat at the bushings, not sure how realistic that is anymore, so I put some lithium based on mine.


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Poly bushings suck ass! Unless you are young, love the color red, or spent all your money on new poly bushings, and don't like my opinion. If you want good bushings, buy good quality rubber! If you want solid mounts, weld her up! Poly are just too hard, to noisy, cheap and yet all the rage. I was 20 once, built a bad ass sand rail, every bushing everywhere was red polyurethane, looked sweet! Rode like crap, squeaked embarrassingly bad and later on, when I wound up replacing it all with black rubber bushings, I realized I had actually built a pretty nice rail!
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Well, mine are black, the old rubber ones squeaked, and these are greasable! I can't be any worse off! lol

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Poly bushings suck ass! Unless you are young, love the color red, or spent all your money on new poly bushings, and don't like my opinion. If you want good bushings, buy good quality rubber! If you want solid mounts, weld her up! Poly are just too hard, to noisy, cheap and yet all the rage. I was 20 once, built a bad ass sand rail, every bushing everywhere was red polyurethane, looked sweet! Rode like crap, squeaked embarrassingly bad and later on, when I wound up replacing it all with black rubber bushings, I realized I had actually built a pretty nice rail!
We've all been there and done similar things, just trying to get "oohaa's" and "ahaas" from the sidewalk commandos. I used to run open headers on a 1965 Olds "442". All it got me was a bunch of tickets.

Bling is cheap and for posers. I try to impress knowledgeable people with sanitary and quality mods.

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ROFLMAO - who said anything about the color " red " or adding any " bling " ?????

I asked about current day lubricants for polyurethane bushings and you guys go all keyboard commando about colors and bling?

For the record - I replaced rubber shock bushings with poly on my motorcycles back in 2006. Those bushing are on the bike today without issue. Of course I also liked the stock seats on both bikes, others complained the seats were too hard and uncomfortable.

I guess I just was't as soft as those other bad ass bikers!
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ROFLMAO - who said anything about the color " red " or adding any " bling " ?????
Sometimes these threads go off topic a bit.

I certainly meant no disrespect.

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FWIW...I have yellow poly bushing and they are greaseable...they came with my lift and shackles...I figured the manufacturer, OME, knows a little more about the design than me...so I run them...my motor mounts came with rubbber from the manufacturer....so I run them. Each has there place depending on the design of the component...Like said above any lithium base grease will work on the poly...
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Sometimes these threads go off topic a bit.

I certainly meant no disrespect.

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I know you meant no disrespect.

I ordered 0" Lift shackles from DAYSTAR .... because the fronts have tow points built in.

They came with black poly bushings but no lubricant though they called for something specific in their instructions.

Ten years ago I installed poly bushings on my two Honda motorcycles and forget what lube I used because it came with the bushings. Ten years later and those poly bushings are still intact. My friends who keep putting the OEM rubber ones have changed theirs three times in ten years. I guess they are a little harder, but the bike suspensions are adjustable so I probably compensated with that.

Of course in the Jeep, one could make minor adjustments to compensate a bit.

I found it ironic that various manufacturers give varying torque specs for shackle with poly bushings. If you install them with the Jeep OEM spec, I can imagine they would be a bit stiff.

I've gotten numbers from manufacturers from 30 ft lbs all the way up to 75 ft lbs. All of them come with bolts that have nylock nuts ..... well except for a set of shackle from Rugged Ridge ..... boy did I make a mistake ordering from them.

Looking at all that I have seen to date ..... next time I will make my own shackles and order bushings and spacers ala carte.
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Like said above any lithium base grease will work on the poly...
It's funny, I called MOBIL to see if they had any product that would work with poly bushings and they said a resounding NO !!!!

I said " not even your synthetic grease? Again with the NO !!!!!

My guess is they probably were not sure and did not want to assume the liability from bad advice.
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I have the same shackles (I think). I don't remember any instructions that came with them. I used Anti-Seize to lube them. Hopefully that won't cause the bushings to rot. The new heavy duty stock springs lifted the Jeep 1 3/4"

I bought the shackles because I have a Tracker tow bar that came with a bracket that I can bolt to my front frame horns if I remove the bumper.
Now, with the tow shackles, the tow bar fits just right and if I ever want to tow the Jeep, I simply pin the tow bar to the shackles.

The pic with the tow bar was when I first got the Jeep and was getting it ready to paint.

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I've learned a lot through this YJ endeavor.

#1 - You cannot trust online vendor website images. What you see may not be what you get. It was not for me and it was with Rigged Ridge and Daystar. Even Morris has WRONG IMAGES for Daystar product on the Rear product page - image there is of the Front Shackles.

Rear - 0" Rear Lift Greasable Shackles - DAY-KJ61020BK
Front - Jeep Wrangler YJ Greasable Shackles

DAYSTAR as well is using the wrong images ---- Rear shackle image on their site shows a center brace - it does not come with one.


#2 - Online vender customer support people are stupid! ( I literally had to describe a companies product to their tech support guy - come on don't they f'ing know what they are shipping.


When you inform them of errors ---- they say " oh that's just how it is - we do not use actual product images. "

WTF ????????


I've never had this problem in any other hobby related internet experience ..... be it photography, amateur radio, or even radio controlled vehicles.
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Energy Suspension bushings comes with lube. One of the reason I used their products, plus used them over the years racing limited Dirt Late Models.

Well I ran into having the wrong bushings for my leafs this weekend. Had ordered two sets (shackles & springs kit) and the ones for the springs was the wrong sizes. Hindsight 20/20 I guess the factory spring eyes are a different dia from the Pro Comp springs. Never crossed my mind at the time of ordering. Anyways I will be calling Energy Suspensions today and ordering just the bushings for the front springs. So let this be a lesson to others. If you have aftermarket springs, check the diameter. On a side note, I will have bookoo bushings for the shackles. A lifetime supply! Live and learn...

Being in the aftermarket racing industry for years I learned a trick when dealing with tech support. When you call their "hotline" and the person answers on the other end start off by asking their name and if they are the smartest person there. If they hesitate any, as to speak to the smartest person they have. Repeat, till you get the right Joe Bob on the line.

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