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Old 06-26-2015, 08:17 PM
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Need your guys' input. I am thinking of purchasing a 1988 YJ Sahara with only 72K miles on original 4.2L engine. No rust on frame or body. New: Tranny, cat, starter, wire/cap. It has a family roll cage and hard top with sound bar. Bimini top and cargo net. Some rips on the front seats, rhino lined interior tub, wench. Tires will need to be replace, fog lights aren't working, no mods to the engine. Asking price - $6900. The gentlemen seems to be very honest and takes care of his vehicles.

What are your guys thoughts?
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My thoughts are that that's about twice a fair price. I understand vehicle maintenance and everything, but it's a known fact that the buyer does not pay for recent repairs.

I'd say that Jeep is worth, at best, 3k.

Reasons why? It's an 88. We're talking about a 27 year old vehicle.

Sure, it's in good shape, but it's an 88.

Carburetor, internal clutch slave (assuming it's a standard tranny), almost thirty years' worth of general age. No indication that the owner has "restored" it, or performed preventative maintenance. No indications at all about the general age and condition of working parts, which it's good they work, but when parts get old, they decay, break and cost money to fix.

Just my 2 cents; it's not my money, it's yours!

A vehicle, just like any thing, such as a house or a bar of soap, is worth what someone pays for it, not a penny more and not a penny less. You've got two sides here, the seller, and you, the buyer.

Personally, I wouldn't pay that much for an 88, but then again, I'm sure to be proven wrong shortly by those who know more than I do. If it were me, I'd look around for a '94 or '95 Sahara, which can be had around here right around that 3k mark in decent shape. I paid 1.5k for mine, but it needed the additional 1.5k in parts, work, paint, parts, parts and parts. Oh, it also needed parts. After putting that money in, it's not even in showroom condition by any stretch, but I did get two compliments today in a total of two trips out, so I guess just figure what you want to do, but again, 6900 for an 88 just feels high to me. Plus, it needs tires, seats and fog lights as you described, which add up to another quick grand at the least, if you get good stuff easy 1.5k more.

These are just my thoughts, but feel free to do what you think is a good idea. I think this Jeep is not a good idea.

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Sounds high to me...
You said it has a new trans-
Direct replacement or an upgrade?
That year yj either had the craptastic BA-10 manual or the A999 3sp auto.
While the 3sp auto is "ok", it's not good by any means; you might not hate it but you won't love it.
The BA-10 is widely regarded as a POS.
Later model yj's had much better tranny's, not to mention the 4.0 motor...
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I agree, it's priced too high and if you were to make what I'd consider to be a good starting offer ($2500) he'd probably be insulted. With no rust that would probably fetch $4K up here in the land of road salt, but $3000-$3500 sounds about fair to me.

The 999 is a good transmission, strong and pretty much trouble free; the BA10 isn't. You'd be better off replacing it with an AX15 ASAP if you bought it. There's nothing wrong with the 4.2l, I've always thought it had a slightly better seat-of-the-pants feel, torque-wise, than the 4.0l does. The 4.0l likes to rev more.

The biggest problem with the 4.2l is the feedback carb/ECM, which can be cured by "Nuttering" it. Get the distributor cap adaptor, cap, and rotor (all with brass contacts, not steel) for an early 80s Ford 4.9l and you'll have better spark. (Google "team rush".) NAPA Mileage Plus wires are very good. I can't remember the plug number, though.

Use a small Holley truck carb (400cfm-ish) or a Weber 38. Even a good old Carter BBD from the mid 70s will work fine, I loved them on my Dodge W200s w/318.
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Everyone who says it is twice the price are from rust belt states , you cant touch a decent rust free one down here for less than 5k. It would take nearly twice that to buy mine. $6900 wont buy much of a Jeep these days.
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Well it looks great from the picture!
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Need your guys' input. I am thinking of purchasing a 1988 YJ Sahara with only 72K miles on original 4.2L engine. No rust on frame or body. New: Tranny, cat, starter, wire/cap. It has a family roll cage and hard top with sound bar. Bimini top and cargo net. Some rips on the front seats, rhino lined interior tub, wench. Tires will need to be replace, fog lights aren't working, no mods to the engine. Asking price - $6900. The gentlemen seems to be very honest and takes care of his vehicles. What are your guys thoughts? Thanks
That's not too a bad price for CA in my opinion. But I have to wonder why a Jeep with 72k miles on it has had to have the transmission replaced and the seats are ripped. Some of those old speedos roll over at 100,000 miles, so I suspect maybe it has more like 172,000 miles on it. Or the speedo has been replaced. Also, I notice that it has a hard top with half doors. Those soft uppers aren't made for hard tops so make sure they fit properly, close properly, and don't leak. The only way those soft uppers will fit properly is if they're from a TJ and have been modified. Also check the carb, it must have the original Carter or be upgraded to TBI in order to pass smog. Carbed jeeps are notoriously hard to pass smog in CA. The jeep has some significant mods, like swapping the sport bar for a family bar, and adding the hard top (jeeps that came with hard tops had full doors, so this one has been added unless he has the full doors), so make sure the mods have been done right. My gut feeling is that you could probably get a newer one without a carb (91 and up) for that price with less future headaches to deal with.
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I paid $6,500 last year for a rust free 1994 4.0 manual, stock (except slightly bigger tires), soft top and hard top in fair condition, 95,000 miles, everything working on it.

I thought it was a fair price in the Houston area (for both the seller and myself) where Jeeps like this one sell in a couple of days. I would have considered it a good deal at $6,000 and a great at anything less than $5,500.
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It looks sort of nice but you list lots of needs. $1000 for tires, $400 for seats, several mods.... who knows how well they were done? NO RUST???? are you sure???? hit the frame at the rear spring hangers with a hammer.

Ask to see all the maintenance records. And if you buy it keep them. Especially for all the mods.

Looks like it is parked in a business parking lot... if so I'd bet on him being a professional curber.... make the car look nice. cover up all the flaws.... rhino liner covers rust real fast. and of course he seems real nice.... curlers are professional liars.
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Maybe there should be a forum dedicated to telling yj owners that their rigs are never worth what they put into them when it comes time to sell. The prices I've been seeing for 25 year old wranglers is starting to get out of control.
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thanks for sharing your thoughts. I didn't purchase this one...still looking
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MangiSiar - good decision. As the former owner of two YJ's ('91 soft top manual, '93 hard top automatic and air, both with the 4.0L) there were several things that bothered me in the photo, and one was mentioned in passing about the hard top and the soft top door uppers. YJ's with soft tops came from the factory with half doors (at least all of them down here) and ones with the hard tops, all had full doors. The other thing is that during that era, there were several companies that manufactured after market hard tops for Jeeps. They actually got started making them for CJ-7s and the same basic hard top fit the YJ as the tubs were the same. However, they had to offer an upper half door for the YJ, some had fixed glass windows and some had sliding glass.

The other thing is the weird spare tire and gas can rack on the back. I have never seen one like that. Most of the ones I have seen leave the spare tire where it was originally and put the gas cans above the spare tire.

I think 1988 was the first year Jeep Corporation was owned by Chrysler, although little changed from AMC (All Motors Company). I know that 1989 Jeep was taking on more of a consistent basis of entire year runs with the same parts as I had an '89 XJ which was the first year of the 4.0L with common rail fuel injection, but the Wrangler still had the 4.2L.

As in my post on your other thread, CarFax, CarFax, CarFax. You would be surprised at the info they provide. Do not under any circumstances buy a used vehicle from an individual without getting a CarFax. If buying from a dealer, get the CarFax before closing the deal, most will provide it. Treat independent used car dealers like individual sellers, don't believe anything they say, only what they can document, what you physically see and what the CarFax says. I know if I were selling a vehicle of mine to an individual, I would get the report and hand to to potential buyers, but then my vehicles can withstand scrutiny.
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[QUOTE=MangiSiar;19944249]Need your guys' input. I am thinking of purchasing a 1988 YJ Sahara with only 72K miles on original 4.2L engine. No rust on frame or body. New: Tranny, cat, starter, wire/cap. It has a family roll cage and hard top with sound bar. Bimini top and cargo net. Some rips on the front seats, rhino lined interior tub, wench. Tires will need to be replace, fog lights aren't working, no mods to the engine. Asking price - $6900. The gentlemen seems to be very honest and takes care of his vehicles.

What are your guys thoughts?
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Need pictures of the wench. She could really make or break the deal!

Other than that, I think I would start negotiating at $5,500 and see where it ends up. Looks to be in pretty good condition compared to what you see around here. Of course a truly awesome wench can keep your mind off of any of those small problems that are bound to crop up when you buy an older, used vehicle. Of course, an Austrian Beer Wench would make you very poular at parties!
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Maybe there should be a forum dedicated to telling yj owners that their rigs are never worth what they put into them when it comes time to sell. The prices I've been seeing for 25 year old wranglers is starting to get out of control.
As long as someone is willing to pay that's would be the price it's worth. Tell your story to someone who owns a two-door '57 Belair they bought new.
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As long as someone is willing to pay that's would be the price it's worth. Tell your story to someone who owns a two-door '57 Belair they bought new.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Sentimental value and resale value are mutually exclusive if that's what you're implying, which is my point entirely.
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Good decision to walk away. Man that spare is really hanging out there, I'd hate to be doing Moab water falls with that ballast hanging out there, of course you would probably scrape it off the first real climb.

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