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Old 07-09-2016, 04:27 PM
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Roadtrip up north, what would you bring?

Ok, I need your opinion and/or your experience!

My wife just been accepted to pass a year in the north as a nurse. North like Alaska! So, the whole family is going there, me, my wife and our 2 daughters of 2 and 4 years old. In the final village, we'll have a free house (rent) with all the big things included (table, fridge,...). We only have to bring your stuff and small things (clothing, TV, micro-wave,...). Our stuff will be brought to the final village be movers. We will go from our home to the first village, stay there for 5 weeks then go to the final village and stay there for a year. Google map give me 814km (506miles) from my place to the first village and 377km (234miles) of gravel road from the first village to the final village. We'll do all of that with an 89 YJ with 1.5" lift and 30" tiress. We have to bring what we need for those 5 weeks (clothing only).

My question is simple and complicated at the same time, what would you bring with you?

I will have a safary rack on the roof to put things (because we all know that there's no space in a YJ!). We'll have 4 soutcase for clothing and maybe a box for the other things. I juste bought a 60" Hilift Patriot edition that I tought using with hi-lift off road kit as a winch, I planned on bringing 2 big gaz can, 1liter of motor oil, 1liter of diff. oil, 1 galon of prestone, tools (ratchet, screwdriver, metric and standard wrench (do you think of something else?)), "Spot" for emergency. For now, it's what I taught of.

For those who have already made a roadtrip really far from the civilisation alone, what should I bring that is essential and that I seem to have forgot?

Thank you very much for your opinion!

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Long underwear, sat phone, come-along, 25' of 5/16 chain with hooks on each end.

Old piece of carpet to lay on the cold, cold ground for working underneath. Folding shovel. Can of Fix-A Flat.

Standard emergency stuff...4 space blankets, granola bars, water, toilet paper, first aid kit.

Once you're there, talk to the local cops or highway patrol. I'll bet that they see it all and will be very willing to share what their experience has taught them.

Good Luck on your adventure. L.M.

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Cash. If you break down bad and can't fix it on the spot then a tow will cost 1 arm + 1 leg + 1 kidney + 2 of your children either born or unborn. When I did Labrador I had $4000+ in cash just in case. Besides, the atm machines and point of sales are prone to not working when you need them in remote areas.
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Oh.. and enough gas to get you where you want to go. Gas stations in the middle of nowhere could be closed when you need them..
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1989 should have a 20 gallon tank. If you have the metal tank it is only 15 gallons and should be replaced with a 20 gallon plastic tank. 5 more gallons should add an additional 60 to 75 miles per tankful of gas.

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Yep, all the gas you can carry. I would look at the different types of gas containers like rotopack, or any of the others. Titan fuel caddy is really cool but pricy.
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Tire plugs and some kind of small compressor. Gravel roads up there well destroy tires, don't depend on one spare to get you that distance.

On a different note, I love my yj but would not take it in this journey. There are way more reliable, comfortable, trucks with real storage. My kids love riding in the Jeep for about an hour, after that they are done.



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Toyota fj might fit the bill.

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FJ is still a bit pricy. I had a '90 Tacoma (new then) and it was a great truck.

If you decide to replace the YJ, the Tacoma or a 4 Runner will be a whole lot more comfortable and most likely more reliable.

The Toyotas just don't have the cool factor that old Wranglers have, plus you can't take the top off.

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Trailer? Even a small one like the military M100. I'd want one just for the space it provides.
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Guys, come on, Toyota! You should be proud of american vehicules, it's your country!

Enyway, I was thinking of having a "Spot", but, someone told me "InReach" might be better. So no cell phone!

I have the standard 15 galon tank and, it's almost new, so I'll bring more gas!

And I won't bring a trailer, I'll have a full size safari rack on top!

If you have any other ideas, I take notes!
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inReach is great as you can actually communicate/text 2way with anyone on the planet.
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I saw "north" in the title, "ice" in your name, and "Quebec" in your location. Long underwear, old carpet, blankets, and fire starters are a must, like L.M. said. A portable heater may be nice.

REPLACE THE WHOLE COOLING SYSTEM. Radiator, coolant hoses, thermostat, water pump, HEATER CORE. Put in a good thermostat, I thought guys were crazy for dropping $30 on a Mopar stat until my $5 Advance stat got stuck kind of open. Speaking of, carry another thermostat and gasket and RTV. Not too hard, I grabbed my spare stat and gasket right before I left on my trip and replaced it in the time it took everyone else to unload the trailers.

For recoveries, I would suggest an actual winch on the front, rather than the hi-lift or come-along. I've used all three, and the hi-lift doesn't have much use, but I respect the come-along because it has saved my ass twice. Once on the trail with the Jeep, another time before I had the Jeep with a car stuck in our driveway on my date night.

My reasoning for the electric winch is the warmth factor. With a hi-lift, recovery is very limited. You NEED chain to adjust the length, and you have to work with other straps and doohickeys. Same thing with come-along, except it's cheaper, safer, and gives more line pull. Just less versatile.

Imagine you get stuck in a blizzard, low on gas, wife is tired, kids are hungry. Food is on the top rack, water is low. Gas station a mile away. You can't see because of the crappy wipers (THAT REMINDS ME, SEE BELOW), and you get into a huge rut. You just changed a flat and your fingers are numb, so you're not too fond of this whole "stuck" thing.

With a come-along or hi-lift, you have to undo the safari rack to get out the chain and straps, then crank it in the cold. With the winch, you reach under your seat for a tree strap and d ring (maybe snatch block), hit free spool on the winch, set it up, get into the cab in your nice in-cab winch controls I told you how to set up, and you flip a switch. Boom, you're out. Bring the winch in, toss the strap back underneath the seat, and get to the bathroom and food break.

Sound better? A winch/winch bumper is expensive, but I actually made mine out of $250 worth of steel plus the $350 winch as a graduation present.

On the wipers... Try the TJ wiper mod where they lie flat on the windshield. I cannot speak for that, but I can speak for checking the wiper motor. I was driving around playing tow truck on a snow day, and my wipers stopped working. I had to drop the windshield and spend about an hour and a half (first time took 3 hours) fixing it. Not going to be fun when you have to remove the top in the cold to fix the wipers, or have someone pulling the wire back and forth.
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Fluids:
Full capacity of oil
Full capacity of coolant
Full capacity (for one diff) of gear oil
1 quart of ATF (power steering or transfer case)
Whatever your transmission takes
Marvel's Mystery Oil (can be used to clean injectors, or if you need to stretch out the use of another fluid in an emergency)
Brake cleaner
Carb cleaner
Starting fluid
Gas

Bring a spare set of spark plugs/wires, serpentine belt, thermostat (I said before), RTV (can make most gaskets).

For diagnostics, bring the following. This isn't really a guide, I'm telling you to bring these haha.
Incandescent test light
Your favorite multimeter
Mechanic's stethoscope
Fuel pressure gauge
Vacuum gauge (not too important but it's small)

Know how to use those above tools. For electrical repairs, bring crimpers, strippers, dikes, wire (thin gauge and thick gauge), an assortment of connectors, and self-tapping sheet metal screws.

Tire plug kit and rubber cement is great too. Never used L.M.'s special sauce (Fix-a-flat) but it sounds temporary. You can use it to get to a safe place and plug the flat when you have a chance.
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Thank you very much for the infos!!!
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MudmagnetYJ, I started carrying Fix-A-Flat while touring on a motorcycle. Motorcycles don't have spare tires and not much room to carry a compressor.
I have had a couple flats through the years and the "special sauce" has saved me a bunch of misery.

Yes, it is a temporary fix and I replaced the damaged tires as soon as I got to the next Harley shop. When you only have two tires and no spare, a $150.00 tire is cheap compared to what can happen with worn or damaged tires.

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MudmagnetYJ, I started carrying Fix-A-Flat while touring on a motorcycle. Motorcycles don't have spare tires and not much room to carry a compressor.
I have had a couple flats through the years and the "special sauce" has saved me a bunch of misery.

Yes, it is a temporary fix and I replaced the damaged tires as soon as I got to the next Harley shop. When you only have two tires and no spare, a $150.00 tire is cheap compared to what can happen with worn or damaged tires.

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I've never used it, but it looks like it'll come in handy. Sounds like the perfect tool for this situation. Doesn't take up much space, and it seems like it'll be much easier to patch it up with this stuff, then finish up breakfast early the next morning and fix the tire while the family is still eating.

This trip sounds like one of those things that you're glad you've done but only want to do every other year. Stay safe, if you have Internet access you can get on the forums.

Might want to keep a Haynes or Chilton's paper manual as a backup and have the real factory manual PDF on your phone. If you carry all this crap, you won't need it. If you don't carry it, you'll need it.
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'89 YJ... EXCELLANT choice. We lived 10 years in Yellowkinife. Carburetors rule when the temperature drops below -40. All our fuel injected vehicles flooded if the were not plugged in. AND when EFI floods with a pump delivering 80psi plus.... You MUST get an oil change. That much fuel will flow past the rings and contaminate the oil. And at 50 below.... you do not want to do an oil change. That mechanical fuel pump on the side of the 4.2L delivers about 8psi.

Also with a carb, at 50 below, unplugged, you remove the air cleaner and dump some gas from the pickle jar kept beside the brake booster into the carb. Turn the key... instant ignition. Sometimes I had to do it twice but I always got the 4.2L running. I never got an EFI engine running unless it was plugged in.

Beyond that??? You are going somewhere very remote, sparse population, huge distances to anything. Unlike Saint Jean or New York... when you are in trouble.... everyone will stop to help. Be friendly, be kind, a lot of those stopping do not expect $$$$$. They expect you to pay it forward and help anyone you come across stranded. The north is a unique experience.
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I'm not really ever in as extreme terrain as you (I mean, we get like 5" of snow and the whole state shuts down for the day), but I always make sure to have a pack of matches, a few bottles of water, some food, a shovel, hilift, hatchet, flashlight/lantern, tow strap, charged phone, and a full tank of gas if I'm headed somewhere more than an hour away from home. Oh, I keep a few hundred bucks in a safe under my seat just in case I don't have my card or I need to pay with cash.
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You NEED good warm clothes. WOOL beats cotton or synthetics. WATER and candles. With a safe spot to hold/burn that candle. One good winter sleeping bag per person is a good idea too.

Spare Jeep parts??? You are not going rock crawling. A good, maintained YJ will not break unless you are stupid. You are in an extreme environment. At 50 below??? Even if you have a spare ujoint and all the tools you do not want to fix it on the road. Rather you want to know how to get moving. You only ever NEED 2WD. With a YJ you can drop a driveshaft and run thru either axle.

Extra gas.... sure. Cannot have too much. But you need to plan your travelling according to when the service stations are open. Pulling up to the pumps at midnight..... be prepared to sleep until the gas station opens at 8am.

At 50below.... chocolate and granola bars are a great choice.... alcohol?? not a good choice.
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Heres my YJ at work, Dec 14, -40.... get things early. This cold snap hit a month early. The ferry went out. Uf you needed an extension cord or snow shovel... It came in by air. A $15.00 extension cord was suddenly over $100.00.
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Nobody uses winches or farmer jacks. Get a good 30' recovery strap. Change tires with the factory jack. And get your Jeep tuned up every fall.... including the battery. Change all fluids every spring... to get rid of the moisture from condensation. And in winter... run on the top of the gas tank. Never let it go below half tank around town. Air carries moisture. And cold air at night condenses that moisture.

You need some methyl hydrate. I always bought the individual servings at Canadian Tire. Keep a few in the Jeep at all times. Cannot hurt to mount a tow bar either. Everyone has a hitch north of 60. My YJ was a toad and came with one.
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IF you want new vehicle? Find out what dealers will be close by. Parts and service are what determines a good buy North of 60. Do not buy anything exotic like a Mazda, Porsche, Land Rover. There will not be any warranty service. One of the other reasons I bought my '87 YJ. Everybody up north knows how to get simple vehicles running. AND they love to help real people. In a community of 300 people??? You do not want to come across as privileged. Keep that '89 YJ. It will open doors.

Make sure it is reliable before you leave Quebec.
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Hi,

Thank you very much for all your infos. Sadly, we brought the Jeep to our trusty garage and they told us it was a no-go for the jeep... I bought the Jeep last winter and I didn't had the time to fix everything. The mecanic is not bad, a couple of things left to do but the frame is in worst shame that I taught. I was planning to replace it after the trip but he told me that even if it make it, if a cop see it, he will impound the Jeep...

So plan B, we're taking the 2002 Acura MDX. It has 213000km, the tranny is starting to slip but we wanted do scrap it after coming back. If it dies there well, we'll come back by plane!

Then, I'll replace the frame and the tub and maybe the engine, it's a Jeep, there's always something to do! That's why we love them!
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Find out which cellphone carrier technology is available in the areas you will be living. Their primary tech is going to be CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, US Cellular) or GSM ( AT&T, T-Mobile).

I'm not crazy about Sat phones. I do highly recommend a cellphone booster. There are different models available at different costs.

Wilson Electronics became Weboost. When looking around online the Wilson stuff is typically a little cheaper. It does help to play around with the install. When people complain about the booster it is usually install error. I prefer the big booster I'll include below. The boosters can be used in the house with an adapter. However, the vehicle based cell boosters have antennas designed for low power. The low power inside antenna is designed for people safety. House based systems will have much stronger inside antenna to light up an entire room.

It's very common I have cell service miles beyond anyone else. Yesterday up in the mountains I had 4G service while no one around had any kind of service. The booster does require a sliver of service to work. It's not magic. You will have service a few miles before anyone else.


The Sleek is a single phone/device booster.

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The Weboost Drive is twice the power of the Sleek. It also boosts upto 4 devices at the same time. I have the older Wilson version of the Drive. It was advertised as 50db signal improvement. The most I see is 35db. Distance to inside antenna is key. The closer your cell device is to the inside antenna the better. My Jeep and Dodge truck I have arranged the cell devices to be within 1ft of the inside booster antenna.

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Find out which cellphone carrier technology is available in the areas you will be living. Their primary tech is going to be CDMA (Verizon, Sprint, US Cellular) or GSM ( AT&T, T-Mobile).

I'm not crazy about Sat phones. I do highly recommend a cellphone booster. There are different models available at different costs.

Wilson Electronics became Weboost. When looking around online the Wilson stuff is typically a little cheaper. It does help to play around with the install. When people complain about the booster it is usually install error. I prefer the big booster I'll include below. The boosters can be used in the house with an adapter. However, the vehicle based cell boosters have antennas designed for low power. The low power inside antenna is designed for people safety. House based systems will have much stronger inside antenna to light up an entire room.

It's very common I have cell service miles beyond anyone else. Yesterday up in the mountains I had 4G service while no one around had any kind of service. The booster does require a sliver of service to work. It's not magic. You will have service a few miles before anyone else.


The Sleek is a single phone/device booster.

Wilson Sleek

The Weboost Drive is twice the power of the Sleek. It also boosts upto 4 devices at the same time. I have the older Wilson version of the Drive. It was advertised as 50db signal improvement. The most I see is 35db. Distance to inside antenna is key. The closer your cell device is to the inside antenna the better. My Jeep and Dodge truck I have arranged the cell devices to be within 1ft of the inside booster antenna.

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Hey guys. I grew up and lived in Alaska for 28 years. Most of this is over kill. He's on a road system and its only 500-700 miles, evidently. He most likely will be driving there in the summer. It's warm in the summer... Cold weather hits mid October and later. Anyway, no matter the vehicle, have it winterized with pan heater, battery blanket and possibly circulating heater. Keep warm clothes in the car. Get snow tires. HAve a spare tire. Know where gas stations are, or carry extra. That's about it. Drive! 15 years ago we had no cell phones, or anything, and who cared? Nobody. Wasn't even a thought... Most road systems have them in Alaska now, so not sure where he's going but should have service if close to any town. I had all sorts of cars up there, and jeeps were good (yes I had a Warn winch) but the best vehicle I had for running around in the snow was front wheel drives, like VW rabbits and a Chevy citation. I had a few Cherokees too. Mostly I wanted vehicles that heated up quickly and well. Diesels didn't do that too well, but the new ones probably will. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Be smart, and don't put you or your family in a situation that's uncomfortable or dangerous. That's about it!

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