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Stroker help! Need your thoughts.

Iím strongly considering putting a Stroker into my YJ. I like that idea as itís a lot easier than putting in a LS. Right now my YJ is a dedicated weekend warrior built for trails. Itís got 4.10 gears locked front and 8.8 rear. The Jeep has 229k miles and runs great.

Right now with the cost of a golen engine and install would be around $5,500. What do you guys and gals think?


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This is a can of worms. I have been thinking the same thing for so long now. The problem is that's 5500 minimum to achieve this. You could build a stroker yourself for less than half of that. You could also pay someone to swap a ls for that price.

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I have not looked into strokers in depth but i have thought about it here and there over the years. When i started looking into golen strokers i quickly found out they are over priced. If i ever did a stroker i would have the block machined and buy the pars and build it myself. You would get a better engine cheaper in the end.
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I have been debating this for a couple years also. The stroker is cool and stays all Jeep but the LS is better in every other way. When it comes down to it the simple reliability and turn key operation sells me on the LS.

That being said steeper gears would come before a different engine.
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Go for it man !!! It's only $$ and you only live once !!!!!!
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This is a can of worms. I have been thinking the same thing for so long now. The problem is that's 5500 minimum to achieve this. You could build a stroker yourself for less than half of that. You could also pay someone to swap a ls for that price.


I personally couldnít build one for that but I get your point.

Also, the LS swap requires a lot more changes since itís not simply just an engine swap. New Trans, wiring etc.




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I have not looked into strokers in depth but i have thought about it here and there over the years. When i started looking into golen strokers i quickly found out they are over priced. If i ever did a stroker i would have the block machined and buy the pars and build it myself. You would get a better engine cheaper in the end.


Yeah, they are expensive, they and ATK offer a base version for $3k which is about 205 HP compared to 270.


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Yeah, they are expensive, they and ATK offer a base version for $3k which is about 205 HP compared to 270.


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I decided to go the stroker route just for the ease of not having to do a bunch of fabrication, wiring and dealing with smog here in California.

Iím going to build my stroker, slowly I might add, as funds allow. I just got a 93-95 4.0 out of a Wrangler. Itís sitting on an engine stand just waiting for me to tear into it.

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I decided to go the stroker route just for the ease of not having to do a bunch of fabrication, wiring and dealing with smog here in California.

Iím going to build my stroker, slowly I might add, as funds allow. I just got a 93-95 4.0 out of a Wrangler.

If i were you Iíd join jeepstrokers.com and read a much as you can. Also reach to to Russ. He can provide you with a kit that fits your budget and needs. He is a really easy guy to talk to and is a wealth of knowledge.


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I decided to go the stroker route just for the ease of not having to do a bunch of fabrication, wiring and dealing with smog here in California.

Iím going to build my stroker, slowly I might add, as funds allow. I just got a 93-95 4.0 out of a Wrangler. Itís sitting on an engine stand just waiting for me to tear into it.

If I were you Iíd join jeepstrokers.com and read a much as you can. Also reach to to Russ. He can provide you with a kit that fits your budget and needs. He is a really easy guy to talk to and is a wealth of knowledge.


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There is a lot of potential with a stroker engine for sure. If Golen was your only option it would be foolish to consider it IMO. You could get a good running low mileage LS with complete drive train installed for less than that. If you could get it done for a couple grand, then it would be cool.
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Iím strongly considering putting a Stroker into my YJ. I like that idea as itís a lot easier than putting in a LS. Right now my YJ is a dedicated weekend warrior built for trails. Itís got 4.10 gears locked front and 8.8 rear. The Jeep has 229k miles and runs great.

Right now with the cost of a golen engine and install would be around $5,500. What do you guys and gals think?


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Are you factoring in the complete Golen engine, including oil pan, etc? The reason I ask is because I ordered a Golen today, but before I did I called Golen up and asked the difference between the Golen 4.6 on Quadratec, which says "drop in" and is listed at $4500 vs the one on Golen's site going for $6300ish. The one on Golen's site includes everything needed to "drop in" including dyno and broken in whereas the one on Quadra - needed additional parts.

I ended up ordering from Golen, spoke with Chad Golen (nice guy) and plunked down a deposit to start building. Why Golen? He spent 20 mins plus covering all the details, is working with the shop thats doing my install, and threw some great advice on additional mods.
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Are you factoring in the complete Golen engine, including oil pan, etc? The reason I ask is because I ordered a Golen today, but before I did I called Golen up and asked the difference between the Golen 4.6 on Quadratec, which says "drop in" and is listed at $4500 vs the one on Golen's site going for $6300ish. The one on Golen's site includes everything needed to "drop in" including dyno and broken in whereas the one on Quadra - needed additional parts.

I ended up ordering from Golen, spoke with Chad Golen (nice guy) and plunked down a deposit to start building. Why Golen? He spent 20 mins plus covering all the details, is working with the shop thats doing my install, and threw some great advice on additional mods.



Does the Golen warranty cover the engine if you install it yourself?
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Are you factoring in the complete Golen engine, including oil pan, etc? The reason I ask is because I ordered a Golen today, but before I did I called Golen up and asked the difference between the Golen 4.6 on Quadratec, which says "drop in" and is listed at $4500 vs the one on Golen's site going for $6300ish. The one on Golen's site includes everything needed to "drop in" including dyno and broken in whereas the one on Quadra - needed additional parts.



I ended up ordering from Golen, spoke with Chad Golen (nice guy) and plunked down a deposit to start building. Why Golen? He spent 20 mins plus covering all the details, is working with the shop thats doing my install, and threw some great advice on additional mods.


Youíre right, I was not. I had assumed I would be able to swap parts from my existing 4.0.


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There is a lot of potential with a stroker engine for sure. If Golen was your only option it would be foolish to consider it IMO. You could get a good running low mileage LS with complete drive train installed for less than that. If you could get it done for a couple grand, then it would be cool.


Other than building one myself I donít see any other good Stroker options. Iíve seen LS1 engine /trans for $2.5k but that doesnít include the remaining parts needed for the swap or install. I can do a lot on my Jeep but thatís not one of them.


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Just to update this post. I went with a local 4wd shop and they were able to get all the parts and do the swap. As of right now the Stroker is swapped in but thereís an issue that the Jeep is now not starting. It did start on the first fire but after that it hasnít.

The shop Iím working with called in an expert who diagnosed it as a bad CPS, which Iíll find out on Monday if heís right.

Overall it looks good, went with a new radiator, motor mounts, flex plate, and headers. Going to drive like a new Jeep once itís done.


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Very nice. Must be exciting. What's the bill looking like so far?
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Just got delivered to my installer last Friday - they'll start the install next week, I'll post up final results. Here's a link to the dyno - I can't wait to pick it up....

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Welcome to the Forum tdelongLJ,

We're all excited to hear how all this works out for you.
There's something to be said about buying a new motor that's been started and run on a dyno. Some folks go with top of the line and others have to economize as much as possible.

Keep us posted on the progress.

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Just got delivered to my installer last Friday - they'll start the install next week, I'll post up final results. Here's a link to the dyno - I can't wait to pick it up....

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Nice! If i end up doing anything else to my jeep it will be stroking out the 4.0
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It all comes down to what ya want. If that’s a stroker, I say go for it. Though for me, I’d go v8 swap instead.
If the “all Jeep” thought appeals to ya, I’d go an amc v8 or even a mopar v8 (old school or new). All things considered, an LS is hard to beat or even a sbc since they’re so cheap & have so much aftermarket support.
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It all comes down to what ya want. If that’s a stroker, I say go for it. Though for me, I’d go v8 swap instead.
If the “all Jeep” thought appeals to ya, I’d go an amc v8 or even a mopar v8 (old school or new). All things considered, an LS is hard to beat or even a sbc since they’re so cheap & have so much aftermarket support.
Just thinking out loud .......

I am not a GM fan, i know people love the LS engines and they are supposedly good. But i have heard way to many of them knock really loudly and there was a class action lawsuit against GM for it. I think the problem ended up being piston skirt slap from bores that were too big.

So if i were to swap an LS i would have the engine rebuilt and use properly sized pistons since GM apparently dont care about measuring anything. And i just dont want to deal with GM's incompetence on top of an engine swap.

And i love inline 6 engines they run forever, always treated me well and never let me down. To be honest if i had the money to blow i would probbaly swap a 2JZ into my jeep.

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I am not a GM fan, i know people love the LS engines and they are supposedly good. But i have heard way to many of them knock really loudly and there was a class action lawsuit against GM for it. I think the problem ended up being piston skirt slap from bores that were too big.

So if i were to swap an LS i would have the engine rebuilt and use properly sized pistons since GM apparently dont care about measuring anything. And i just dont want to deal with GM's incompetence on top of an engine swap.

And i love inline 6 engines they run forever, always treated me well and never let me down. To be honest if i had the money to blow i would probbaly swap a 2JZ into my jeep.

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That makes sense. You have to stick with what you prefer. Iíd be interested in what everybodyís ďdreamĒ engine would be- if money were no object .
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Just got delivered to my installer last Friday - they'll start the install next week, I'll post up final results. Here's a link to the dyno - I can't wait to pick it up....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OFx...ature=youtu.be
Well I need a new keyboard; I'm effing drooling over here tdelong! That thing is going to be mean with plenty of usable torque. Curve looks good, sounds good, looks great.

I want to do a stroker some time in the future but I'm 3 or 4 years out. I have a few other things to button up first.
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I am not a GM fan, i know people love the LS engines and they are supposedly good. But i have heard way to many of them knock really loudly and there was a class action lawsuit against GM for it. I think the problem ended up being piston skirt slap from bores that were too big.

So if i were to swap an LS i would have the engine rebuilt and use properly sized pistons since GM apparently dont care about measuring anything. And i just dont want to deal with GM's incompetence on top of an engine swap.
Bit of misinformation here but not to bad. There is a class action lawsuit against GM over one their Aluminum 'LS' motors. There are several LS motors: LS1, LS2, LS3, LS4, LS6, LS7, and LS9 all of which were Aluminum block variants. These variants aren't cheap and are unlikely to be swapped into a YJ. Now there are Iron block LSx variants that came in pick up trucks: 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, and 8.1L. These are the affordable swaps everyone does to everything and don't have any lawsuits against them.

There is only one lawsuit against the LS7 motor which is the motor that was manufactured for the Z06 corvette. It produces something like 505hp and is so incredibly expensive.

The LS1 is the most common of the Aluminum block LS family. Its known to have piston slap on cold start. Usually you start it up, let it idle and you wont even hear the piston slap after 15-30 secs.

Now the LT1 is a different story.

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Bit of misinformation here but not to bad. There is a class action lawsuit against GM over one their Aluminum 'LS' motors. There are several LS motors: LS1, LS2, LS3, LS4, LS6, LS7, and LS9 all of which were Aluminum block variants. These variants aren't cheap and are unlikely to be swapped into a YJ. Now there are Iron block LSx variants that came in pick up trucks: 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L, and 8.1L. These are the affordable swaps everyone does to everything and don't have any lawsuits against them.

There is only one lawsuit against the LS7 motor which is the motor that was manufactured for the Z06 corvette. It produces something like 505hp and is so incredibly expensive.

The LS1 is the most common of the Aluminum block LS family. Its known to have piston slap on cold start. Usually you start it up, let it idle and you wont even hear the piston slap after 15-30 secs.

Now the LT1 is a different story.

Poorly written, sorry.

I admittedly dont know much about GM but i remember all of the piston slap talk years ago. And i know a lot of truck owners were complaining as well. Most GM trucks have a knock to them some are louder than others. Supposedly it's "normal" and not supposed to cause any reliability problems. I have friend thats really into LS swaps and loves them and owns a few.

GM has burnt me to bad in the past so i have sworn them off just as i have the the Jeep brand. The older (pre 85) GM stuff seemed pretty well made but i just dont have any faith in anything they have made since the 80's.

"March 5, 2004 A class action complaint against General Motors Corporation was filed by the law firm Green & Jigarjian LLP and the Oklahoma based firms of Federman & Sherwood and Walker & Walker. The lawsuit, brought on behalf of purchasers of 1999 through 2003 model GM vehicles with a 3.1, 3.4, 4.8, 5.3, 5.7 (LS1), 6.0, or 8.1 liter engine that exhibits a loud noise due to Piston Slap, alleges that GM actively concealed the engine defect while continuing to advertise, market, and warrant that GM engines are free from defects. Some of the models that may have a Piston Slap defect are the Chevrolet Camaro, Corvette, Silverado, Tahoe and Surburban; GM Denali and Yukon; Cadillac Escalade and Pontiac TransAm."

I have heard a lot of knocking 5.3's and my LS buddy claims it's just piston slap and they will still run for 300K. I am just not brave enough to believe it. If it could be fixed with properly sized pistons in a built engine i might try it but in all honesty i would rather stroke out my 4.0
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Well I need a new keyboard; I'm effing drooling over here tdelong! That thing is going to be mean with plenty of usable torque. Curve looks good, sounds good, looks great.

I want to do a stroker some time in the future but I'm 3 or 4 years out. I have a few other things to button up first.
Definitely can't wait to get it back. I'm never getting rid of the LJ, so dropping funds into it is well worth it.

I'll update with pics when I get her back in a few weeks.

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