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Old 04-08-2015, 09:15 PM
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How can they take away the folding windshield and still call it a jeep? Someone needs to obtain the rights to AMC(if for only the name)and take jeep back to its roots. IMO

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Is there still talk of producing two parallel models? Maybe one could still have it.

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Old 04-08-2015, 09:31 PM
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From what I've heard and seen, the wrangler will lose the folding option in favor of more rake for aerodynamics. Screwing things up. Leave it to fiat.
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Any pics of this atrocity?
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:46 PM
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Any pics of this atrocity?
not that i have found yet. Just reading reviews from the auto industry. But as soon as i find some i will post them here. I dont know if there is a concept photo out, but im lookin.
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There are no official concepts afaik. There are tons of 'interpretations' though.
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Old 04-08-2015, 09:53 PM
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There's another thread on here that's similar, but to lose the folding windshield, is to lose the last thread of DNA that makes it a jeep.
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I just found this. I see no hinges. Bastards
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^ thats justa jk i think.
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I just found this. I see no hinges. Bastards
That's just a JK concept. Same windshield brackets and hinge.
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Shit, that's got big azz tires! Makes my tires look like hot wheels.
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Does anybody really fold their windshield anymore? It was a quick procedure on the original Willys and some of the CJ's, but does it really make sense anymore?

-Original Willys had a top speed of what, 45, 50? Anybody want to run a JK at highway speeds with the window folded? (I know, it's more of an off-road thing, just making a point)

-The window fold procedure on today's jeeps is sufficiently complicated that you probably wouldn't want to to it very often....not as easy as dropping the soft top. It involves tools and removing those roll bar extensions, not to mention whatever you have to do with the windshield wipers.

-Once you do get the windshield down, it really just looks stupid...too clunky and bulky, not like those thin flat windshields on the originals that actually rested flat on the hood.

-Even if I could get past the thick bulky windshield perched awkwardly on the hood, now you still have roll bars in the back (unless you remove them too) still sticking up above it all, and that looks stupid also....not the compact low-profile look of the original.

I'm just not sure there's enough reason to keep the folding windshield design. Besides, someone will come out with a kit for that.
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Does anybody really fold their windshield anymore? It was a quick procedure on the original Willys and some of the CJ's, but does it really make sense anymore?

-Original Willys had a top speed of what, 45, 50? Anybody want to run a JK at highway speeds with the window folded? (I know, it's more of an off-road thing, just making a point)

-The window fold procedure on today's jeeps is sufficiently complicated that you probably wouldn't want to to it very often....not as easy as dropping the soft top. It involves tools and removing those roll bar extensions, not to mention whatever you have to do with the windshield wipers.

-Once you do get the windshield down, it really just looks stupid...too clunky and bulky, not like those thin flat windshields on the originals that actually rested flat on the hood.

-Even if I could get past the thick bulky windshield perched awkwardly on the hood, now you still have roll bars in the back (unless you remove them too) still sticking up above it all, and that looks stupid also....not the compact low-profile look of the original.

I'm just not sure there's enough reason to keep the folding windshield design. Besides, someone will come out with a kit for that.
Agree 100%. Move on people. If you want a 1947 Jeep get one. If you want a 2015 and think it is going to be anything like an old one....get a clue! Even on a 25 year old YJ, to fold the windshield is a PITA

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Old 04-09-2015, 07:21 AM   #14
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you could just weld the hinges on the window and nobody will know... my biggest concern is that its gonna get overly complicated like a land rover.. the more electronics and gadgets that they add the more problems off road.. there gearing all the new jeeps towards the soccer mom crowd as thats where the money is.. its just evolution the jeep as we know it is slowly fading away.. it will no longer be a group of ppl that put up with the idiosyncrasies of the jeep for the freedom and camaraderie.. goto a biker rally most harley owners in leather are doctors and lawyers looking for a weekend away.. just like the pickup trucks drive a 78 f150 its simple no bs its a truck. like the old jeeps it is what it is.. no offensive to the four door jeeper but i see more and more at walmart driven by soccer moms that never remove the top just use ac i dont see the point of that.. theres better suvs for better prices out there but your paying for the name and legacy.. like buying a harley.. we just gotta suck it up were gonna be the one percenters of the jeep world the outlaws with jeeps that are loud dirty and smell funny but nobody would trade it for a shiny new one..
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you could just weld the hinges on the window and nobody will know...
Oh boy, it's a Bubba thing!
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Who folds down the windshield?

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Agree 100%. Move on people. If you want a 1947 Jeep get one. If you want a 2015 and think it is going to be anything like an old one....get a clue! Even on a 25 year old YJ, to fold the windshield is a PITA

Only folded mine down once, and that was to replace the cowl seal, which I wouldn't have had to do if the windshield was a permanent fixture.
I have never folded down my windshield to drive, and only on old Willys on the trail have I ever seen one with it down.
Big deal. Move on people, nothing to see here...
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Old 04-09-2015, 08:15 AM   #17
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Agreed! I have never and probably never will put my windshield down other than to fix something
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Folding the windshield down makes it leak...more.
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I posted this on Jalopnik a while back. I'll repeat it here...

As far as folding down the windshield goes; if we're being honest we've gotta admit that this was an afterthought at best on the current JK models.

I just bought one. I've read the instructions and watched the YouTube videos. All indications are that they do NOT intend for you to do this and have made it awfully inconvenient.

I get the appeal with the older models. Turn some lever or something and drop it down and away you go. The current one isn't like that at all and it seems that if you DO decide to use the feature, you then get to live in ever-lasting fear that it's now going to leak water through every crack and crevice if you didn't get the whole thing lined up EXACTLY right when you put it back together.

By all accounts they made it drop down because of tradition. Not because they wanted to make it functional.
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personally, I have folded my windshield down at least a dozen times. heck, when I lived in prescott Az. I left it down for a couple of weeks, no rain forcast and only a few miles drive to play in the desert. it takes less than 10 min to do when the tops off.
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Old 04-09-2015, 11:02 AM   #21
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I think the window is the least of it.. if they put an electronic traction contol that will kill power in a spin the jeeps screwed.. I woudnt care if my window didnt fold.. having antilocks and trac controls.. more computers that we cannot bypass.. look at the land rovers, landcruisers, fjs, cherokees.. the all went away from being a simple rig tbat takes no bs to being a status symbol for the rich.. just the way its gonna be everybody hated the yj when it was new but it saved the jeep brand from extinction..
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I think the window is the least of it.. if they put an electronic traction contol that will kill power in a spin the jeeps screwed.. I woudnt care if my window didnt fold.. having antilocks and trac controls.. more computers that we cannot bypass.. look at the land rovers, landcruisers, fjs, cherokees.. the all went away from being a simple rig tbat takes no bs to being a status symbol for the rich.. just the way its gonna be everybody hated the yj when it was new but it saved the jeep brand from extinction..
And the yj has much more in common with the cj and older jeeps, than the jk has with the yj. Period. they keep screwing it up. Soccer moms and dads should buy a minivan. I should know i am a parent of 6.
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The big thing we are missing here is govt regulations. They are doing more damage than designers. Fuel economy restrictions drive a lot of the things we hate about newer Jeeps and then safety regulations. Much of the computer controlled crap that kills off road performance is required on any vehicle regardless of its purpose. The designers are not without blame too, they are pushing technology to keep up with the Joneses...or Rovers.
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i agree it shouldn't change but there no way to stop it now.. my wife drives an escalade for family vehicle get .. there gonna follow the money and build to suit them and do like they did with the rubicon make something a little more hardcore to keep ppl interested.. i drive a yj as i dont care for electronics or gadgets that i have to troubleshoot.. it rides rough smells funny and makes my wife mad.. but for some reason i woudnt trade it for a four door..
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Guys. If it wasnt for the 4 door unlimited and "soccer moms" I put high dollar we would not have a wrangler anymore, or it would sit with 0 updates for 10 years. Why invest in a low sales platform? The 4 door minivans sky rocketed the wrangler back into the pillar of the jeep brand.

Without it I doubt we would have a jeep to be honest.
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i agree it shouldn't change but there no way to stop it now.. my wife drives an escalade for family vehicle get .. there gonna follow the money and build to suit them and do like they did with the rubicon make something a little more hardcore to keep ppl interested.. i drive a yj as i dont care for electronics or gadgets that i have to troubleshoot.. it rides rough smells funny and makes my wife mad.. but for some reason i woudnt trade it for a four door..
Thats one of the many reasons i love my yj. Lots of people wont ride in it because of how it rides and smells. It just means i can have more fun. If my kids didn't like muddin, i would remove the back seat as well. It keeps the crybabies out. I have seen many people pull out in front of tj's and jk's around me. But not my yj. Most people stay out of my way.
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Guys. If it wasnt for the 4 door unlimited and "soccer moms" I put high dollar we would not have a wrangler anymore, or it would sit with 0 updates for 10 years. Why invest in a low sales platform? The 4 door minivans sky rocketed the wrangler back into the pillar of the jeep brand. Without it I doubt we would have a jeep to be honest.
But there is one thing to consider. Lots of jeep owners put 10's of thousands of dollars in their rig. For the money they put into them, they could have bought a couple jk's. But still we put our money into one of the best jeeps of all time, the YJ. Leave it alone.
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Some do. I think the JK is far more capable aside from the vulnerability to water/electronic problems. I mean, you can fit 35's with flat fenders and no lift. Almost no reason to spend the 10's of thousands with that capability stock. Not to mention more power, better transmission gear ratio's and an arguably larger aftermarket support.

Sometimes change is good otherwise we would have flatheads still.
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I just drove an Egyptian military j8 wrangler with a folded down windshield. I really dug it.
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Even JK's drop their windshields. Having my PSC cage tied into the windshield frame.
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