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Old 05-13-2018, 08:28 PM
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Wanting to get into trails and mudding. No crawling. Found great deal on 92 yj. My naive question is how does a 92 yj compare to (in terms of model/package) the different models available today? For example, I understand a “rubicon” today is more trail ready than lesser models (axles, coils, springs). My assumption is that back in ‘92 the Jeep was trail ready enough, right?

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My assumption is that back in ‘92 the Jeep was trail ready enough, right?

Not at all! The YJ in stock form was pathetic off-road. It was built this way because 60 minutes did a story on CJ's rolling over because of their short wheel base and tall center of gravity and it hurt sales. So when AMC redesigned the YJ they wanted to idiot proof so it would be harder for idiots to roll them. They put smaller tires on the YJ and lowered it a bit and made the axles wider. This is why the YJ was hated when it first came out and was called a Yuppie Jeep.

The early YJ's 87-90 used the old carbed CJ engines which were plagued with carb problems and the first 2 years had the very light duty BA10 transmission. But in 91 jeep started putting the 4.0 High Output engines in the YJ with the AX15 transmission which is a very good trans as long as you don't run GL5 gear oil in them. So a 92 would be a good year to have as long as it is clean with minimal rust.

The off-road performance of a stock YJ is not great. The track bars they put on it work against the leaf springs so the suspension does not flex. The good news is you don't need them at all and can safely throw them in a trash can. The sway bar also hurts off-road performance but you can get disconnects for that, or if your springs are stiff like my superlift springs you can take it off too if there is not much sway on road.

Once you lift a YJ with good lift springs and some lockers and gears YJ's preform great. The D35 rear end sucks and should not be trusted with larger tires but if you drive keeping that in mind you can make them last as long as you don't go over 33" and don't shock load it.

The YJ's never came with dana 44's in any package in the states like the TJ's did. But the TJ D44's are not that great anyways although they are better than the D35. They were more of a hybrid D44 that used a D44 center and D30/35 tubes/outers.

As much of a joke as the JK is it's the only open top jeep that came with good dana 44's. But the reason it is available with such good axles is because the JK is not a jeep anymore. They are a fullsize vehicle that weighs 1,000+ pounds more than a jeep should and i think they came with 33's from the factory. The D30 and D35's that came in non Rubicon JK's are beefed up to support their girth and the girth of the occupants.

Comparing the YJ (or CJ, or TJ) to a JK is apples and oranges they are not anywhere close to being the same vehicle except that the top and doors come off.
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You need to stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about the JK.
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What Agalloch07 said is true.
But I’ll answer your question the same way I answer “is the (insert gun model/caliber here) the best?”
Best at what?
OP, what kind of trails?
Have you previously owned a JK Rubicon?
What is your idea of “trail ready” really?
I currently own a CJ (relegated to the farm, you wouldn’t want to drive it on the road) and an 89 YJ. I’ve previously owned a 99 TJ and a 15 JKU.
I once owned a 78 CJ w/ V-8, 4-speed, and buckshot mudders that never had to be pulled out. It is still the best going vehicle I’ve ever owned. It was a legend in my small town. There was many a nights when the phone rang late at night with someone needing to be winched-out.
Will my YJ go as well as that old CJ?
Nope.
Will it go as well as a new Rubi?
Nope.
Will it run circles around the Chevy, dodge, and ford’s off-road packages?
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Not at all! The YJ in stock form was pathetic off-road......

I disagree... a bone stock yj w good 29" mud tires and one sway bar link removed will go a LOT more places than most folks give it credit for....

20 years ago I had a bone stock 4 cyl yj and it was an absolute ball off road

Jk.... dang... no need for that kind of language here.
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I disagree... a bone stock yj w good 29" mud tires and one sway bar link removed will go a LOT more places than most folks give it credit for....

20 years ago I had a bone stock 4 cyl yj and it was an absolute ball off road

Jk.... dang... no need for that kind of language here.


I’m not getting the one sway bar link removed thingy?


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I disagree... a bone stock yj w good 29" mud tires and one sway bar link removed will go a LOT more places than most folks give it credit for....

20 years ago I had a bone stock 4 cyl yj and it was an absolute ball off road

Jk.... dang... no need for that kind of language here.

Maybe i was a bit harsh on the YJ but the stock suspension with track bars is so bad i cringe when thinking about it. The TJ articulation is so much better it's just embarrassing. It's nothing that cant be fixed but it would have been nice if jeep would have offered some kind of off road package with D44's no track bars and lockers. I'm surprised they kept the track-bars the entire run of the YJ since they don't do anything.

I wheeled my YJ with 26's and 30's before i got a lift, 33's and lockers. But on hills and off cambers it was pathetic and a constant struggle to keep tires on the ground to get traction. I will admit the JK will out wheel a stock YJ it's not a hard thing to do when you cant keep tires on the ground.
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I’m not getting the one sway bar link removed thingy?
Removing a sway bar link disables the sway bar
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I just plain removed my track bars front and rear. Deleted my sway bar entirely, now it flexes like a bendy straw. Plus it's a cleaner look which i like too.
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I just plain removed my track bars front and rear. Deleted my sway bar entirely, now it flexes like a bendy straw. Plus it's a cleaner look which i like too.
How's your drivability on pavement without both track bars AND without the sway bar as well?
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How's your drivability on pavement without both track bars AND without the sway bar as well?



How much the jeep sways will depend on the leaf springs on your jeep. The factory leafs are soft and flat so they will sway a lot and you really should run a sway bar on them if you drive it on road or it will be a scary ride.



I have 3.5" superlift springs that are stiffer and have more arch and it handles like it has a sway bar on it on road. Off road it flexes well though but i might get rid of my superlift springs and go to Rubicon Express 4.5 HD springs and i might have to put the track bar back on, not sure.
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How's your drivability on pavement without both track bars AND without the sway bar as well?



How much the jeep sways will depend on the leaf springs on your jeep. The factory leafs are soft and flat so they will sway a lot and you really should run a sway bar on them if you drive it on road or it will be a scary ride.



I have 3.5" superlift springs that are stiffer and have more arch and it handles like it has a sway bar on it on road. Off road it flexes well though but i might get rid of my superlift springs and go to Rubicon Express 4.5 HD springs and i might have to put the track bar back on, not sure.
Thank you, I have rather rough Trailmaster 2 Inch springs (w. 31 inch tires)
I guess I will try to get rid of the rear track bar first, because I fear losing the quite good street/highway driveability of my YJ, though a little bit more flex would be nice.
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With my RE 4.5 extremes I didn't HAVE to put the track bar on but it made driving on the road a lot more enjoyable and doesn't stop the jeep from flexing tires into fenders off road....

I often neglect hooking the sway bar back up after wheeling.... handling is noticably different but not unsafe without it
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Removing a sway bar link disables the sway bar


Lol, got it.
But why just 1?


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One is all it takes to immobilize the sway bar...no sense doing both if one will do the job...
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Lol, got it.
But why just 1?


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You can do it either way:
Step 1 remove a link
Step 2 go wheeling
Step 3 replace a link

OR

Step 1 remove a link
Step 2 remove another link
Step 3 secure sway bar
Step 4 go wheeling
Step 5 unsecure sway bar
Step 6 replace a link
Step 7 replace another link

Which sounds more fun?
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One is all it takes to immobilize the sway bar...no sense doing both if one will do the job...
It took me a bit to wrap my head around this statement.
After careful consideration....DUH!

Now when I buy a set of quick disconnects, I can split the cost with a Jeeper buddy.
Some things are so obvious that we can't see them because we're not looking for them.

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You can only split the cost IF they are the exact same length as stock.... most are longer

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