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Old 08-13-2011, 03:57 AM
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Well i have done some research on a soa lift. I was wondering if anyone has done a soa and keep their stock axles? Would it be worth doing soa on stock axles i don't do to much of rock crawling i mostly do pismo beach. its really soft sand and hollister holls.Its more like trails with big ruts and hill climbs

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I used my stock leafs up front with a 2in lift shackles. I bent one pair into an S shape. I took the 2nd leaf out of a pair of stock XJ and added them into my second set of YJ springs. All good now.

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The s shape comes from the axle wrap.. best way to truly prevent this is to install a traction bar (not to be confused with track bar.. which on a yj is unnecessary and limits flex) which will prevent the axle housing from rolling backwards under load.. when force is applied down to the rear driveshaft it will make the pinion go up.. so imagine what that will do to the springs..
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Havnt had any problems with the rear. I came down off a big rock that shoved my front driver tire back.
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Well i have done some research on a soa lift. I was wondering if anyone has done a soa and keep their stock axles? Would it be worth doing soa on stock axles i don't do to much of rock crawling i mostly do pismo beach. its really soft sand and hollister holls.Its more like trails with big ruts and hill climbs
If staying with 35's or under keep the front HP30 and build it, also swap the rear for an 8.8. If wanting over 35's look at 1 tons.
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If staying with 35's or under keep the front HP30 and build it, also swap the rear for an 8.8. If wanting over 35's look at 1 tons.
you don't "need" 1 tons to run 35's or bigger in a jeep, d44's will do just fine up to 44" tires, i've got a friend that was running 54" tractor tires on his with 3/4 ton d44's....i say was because i bought those axles off of him and he is now running 1 tons for wider tires...jeeps don't weigh as much as most vehicles and don't need heavy duty axles.....unless your running some obnoxious engine block that shouldn't be in a jeep anyhow...lol
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would i be ok if i run stock axles on 31's? would a soa be to lifted for 31,s?
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it might be a little high for 31s.. soa gives about 5.5 to 6 inches of lift..
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would i be ok if i run stock axles on 31's? would a soa be to lifted for 31,s?
so long as you don't run lockers, you should be fine with 33's(and so long as you don't slam the pedal down for every hole 35's), but if all your ever going to go with is 31's, your better off with a 2-2.5" lift kit rather than soa, you can achieve that with either a regular lift, or 2" longer shackles and a body lift....or a 2" body lift....i'm not a fan of bl's though, most i'd do is 1"
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it might be a little high for 31s.. soa gives about 5.5 to 6 inches of lift..
X2, With an SOA suspension on stock springs you really need 33s-35s. Any smaller and it looks unfinished(like you're waiting for tires). You can clear 31s with just an add-a-leaf kit. I'm currently running Dana 30/35 with 4.56s and ARBs. Working on an 8.8 for the rear. See jeep profile for what I've done.
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you don't "need" 1 tons to run 35's or bigger in a jeep, d44's will do just fine up to 44" tires, i've got a friend that was running 54" tractor tires on his with 3/4 ton d44's....i say was because i bought those axles off of him and he is now running 1 tons for wider tires...jeeps don't weigh as much as most vehicles and don't need heavy duty axles.....unless your running some obnoxious engine block that shouldn't be in a jeep anyhow...lol
Appearantly you know nothing about axles. This is some of the worst advice I have ever read.
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so long as you don't run lockers, you should be fine with 33's(and so long as you don't slam the pedal down for every hole 35's).
With a stock Dana 35 rear.....
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Appearantly you know nothing about axles. This is some of the worst advice I have ever read.
LOL i even gave examples, but i know nothing, :rollseyes: anyhow, yea 35's arent the strongest but they will work for a short while, especially if you know how to drive
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LOL i even gave examples, but i know nothing, :rollseyes: anyhow, yea 35's arent the strongest but they will work for a short while, especially if you know how to drive
Your examples are horrible (proving that you give advice on subjects you clearly don't know about), and stock D35s suck.

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Your examples are horrible (proving that you give advice on subjects you clearly don't know about), and stock D35s suck.

Another broken Jeep Dana 35c Rear-End.
intresting link, and some of those videos are rather intresting as well, but what it doesn't tell you is how many times those people went wheeling before that video with their setup....
i'm not turning this into a "i know more than you" or a "nu uh" match...so i'll use pictures
this truck still has the stock d35c in it....he's broke it twice....doing very dumb things, why does he rebuild it? because except for the 2 times he broke it, the 200 other times he's taken it out wheeling he's never had a problem(its a 2000's tj with a 4 cylinder auto in it)


this is the jeep on 54's running dana 44's(which is not a 1 ton axle...proving you do not need one tons) and he's taken this thing out quite a few times that i know of and done some REALLY dumb things and never broke the axle.


i guess my brother who's running a stock d44 and and the 8.8 on his 91 bronco with 38" mickey thompson baja's is pushing it too isn't he.

the white tj is daily driven with that setup(or can be relied upon)
the other 2 said trucks are beat to death everytime they go out, idk why you think you need 1 tons for 35's or larger....especially in a lightweight vehicle like a jeep.
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intresting link, and some of those videos are rather intresting as well, but what it doesn't tell you is how many times those people went wheeling before that video with their setup....
i'm not turning this into a "i know more than you" or a "nu uh" match...so i'll use pictures
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this truck still has the stock d35c in it....he's broke it twice....doing very dumb things, why does he rebuild it? because except for the 2 times he broke it, the 200 other times he's taken it out wheeling he's never had a problem(its a 2000's tj with a 4 cylinder auto in it)

The first one is a pic of a guy with a 2.5L that broke his Dana 35c twice (2 less times than I have with a 2.5L).... So the piece of junk broke more than once, great argument. On to the next awesome undeniable bit of proof that you are an axle god and we should follow your "OZ-LIKE" advice.

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this is the jeep on 54's running dana 44's(which is not a 1 ton axle...proving you do not need one tons) and he's taken this thing out quite a few times that i know of and done some REALLY dumb things and never broke the axle.

If you took that POS Jeep though anything I would consider challanging it would flop over on the first obstacle, heck it would flop on crap I wouldn't call challanging for that matter. The reason he probably has not blown anything is because that piece of crap can't do anything but go through mud puddles the one time of the year it's running.

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i guess my brother who's running a stock d44 and and the 8.8 on his 91 bronco with 38" mickey thompson baja's is pushing it too isn't he.
Yup.

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I think our definitions of relied upon differ greatly, you seem like a Jeep noob that thinks they are a know it all. You have alot to learn my friend.

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idk why you think you need 1 tons for 35's or larger....especially in a lightweight vehicle like a jeep.
I never said you need one tons for 35's. You need to learn how to read.

For all of us novice Jeepers out there, explain what makes a Dana 44 so strong it can handle up to 44 inch tires. What makes it such a great axle?
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I'm not sure I would say the D35 sucks. it seems most of the problems in those pictures are the C clips. An eliminator kit would have kept most of those failures from happening. I also would not be surprised if some of those axle shaft failures were due to the axles starting to have play from bad c clips.

Of course, that's not saying it shouldn't be replaced if you plan on going with very large tires or doing severe wheeling. The other choices out there are indeed much stronger but the D35 isn't always a time bomb waiting to go off if used within reason.
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I'm not sure I would say the D35 sucks. it seems most of the problems in those pictures are the C clips. An eliminator kit would have kept most of those failures from happening. I also would not be surprised if some of those axle shaft failures were due to the axles starting to have play from bad c clips.

Of course, that's not saying it shouldn't be replaced if you plan on going with very large tires or doing severe wheeling. The other choices out there are indeed much stronger but the D35 isn't always a time bomb waiting to go off if used within reason.
Stock Dana 35's suck. That's what I am talking about, not a Superior CCE kit. A Super 35 kit with CCE is "good" for up to 35 in tires. I have read many many great reviews on them. I do not actually have any experience with them so I normally will not suggest them when people are looking at upgrading, but you won't catch me talking negatively about them either. A stock 35 is a different story, any one who defends it makes me laugh.
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never said i was a god, nore did i imply, i stated what i've had experience with, on proper setups and the blue jeep wheels more than you think, and i've never seen it flip over...lol his dad has an even older cj with the same tires and a 350 bb and neither of them have flipped their jeeps over....knowing how to drive is key to driving a big vehicle.

i can see giving my advice on something that i and my friends have had years of experience is nothing for the "facts" you can come up with...LOL

its all in the hands of the builder and the driver, poor builder or poor driver and things break a whole lot more than they should.
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never said i was a god, nore did i imply, i stated what i've had experience with, on proper setups
I have yet to see a proper set up in anything you have discussed or shown a picture of.

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Because he drives though puddles in a straight line.

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lol his dad has an even older cj with the same tires and a 350 bb and neither of them have flipped their jeeps over....
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i can see giving my advice on something that i and my friends have had years of experience is nothing for the "facts" you can come up with...LOL
I'm just another naive newb. I am still waiting on you to tell me what makes a dana 44 such a superior axle (I knew you weren't going to answer this)...

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A poor driver with a rig built correctly can have a hard time breaking things.
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I have yet to see a proper set up in anything you have discussed or shown a picture of.

Because he drives though puddles in a straight line.

See above.

See above again.

I'm just another naive newb. I am still waiting on you to tell me what makes a dana 44 such a superior axle (I knew you weren't going to answer this)...

A poor driver with a rig built correctly can have a hard time breaking things.
considering what a d44 was designed for and installed in, you obviously think it was ment for a geo metro, its installed in all 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton FULLSIZE trucks....how many d44's have you personally witnessed breaking under a jeep with 40's, or even 35'si forms that matter? and under what stress and how much spinning under no circumstances is it superior to 1tons...which are recomended for anything over 40's on any vehicle...u can get away with less if your careful

whats funny about all this is i never said "dont buy 1 tons they're useless, but thats what your implying I'm saying.

back to the orginal subject, it will look wierd with an soa and 31's, but you'll never have to worry about rubbing, im getting ready to do a 4" lift to mine to clear my 31's better and set myself up for 33's with room to flex
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considering what a d44 was designed for and installed in, you obviously think it was ment for a geo metro, its installed in all 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton FULLSIZE trucks....how many d44's have you personally witnessed breaking under a jeep with 40's.
Quite a few under 40's, I have buddies that break 60's on 40's. Nobody I wheel with is dumb enough anymore to run a Dana 44 with 40's. It comes with the experience of breaking them on smaller tires and understanding what their limitations are. I thought they were good up to 44 inch tires? You going to explain yet what makes a Dana 44 such a great axle, or finally admit you don't have a clue instead of avoiding the question?

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D44's are a good axle for 35's, there are a few different year/model 44's that I would recommend with 37's and hard wheeling, but not in stock form.

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I know that, obviously.

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whats funny about all this is i never said "dont buy 1 tons they're useless, but thats what your implying I'm saying.
You basically did by saying 44's are good up to 44 inch tires. I would recommend the same size tire for a D44 as I would HP30, do you know why?
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One more post barrie.. then you're at all 2's lol

Was wondering when someone was going to stop the fighting.. cmon guys you obviously have different opinions and aren't going to sway the other to agree..
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How is this a e-penis match? A dana 44 is at best a middle of the road, not worth the upgrade axle in MOST cases. What you gain in strength in certain areas are negated by the fact most front 44's use a 760X ujoint (same as a 95 YJ or TJ/XJ D30). This guy has not said one time what makes a Dana 44 such a great axle to swap in to a Jeep because he doesn't know, yet he is suggesting it is a great axle for up to 44 inch tires (even though all of us who have a clue know most are good up to a 35-36 inch tire at best when pushed hard).
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One more post barrie.. then you're at all 2's lol

Was wondering when someone was going to stop the fighting.. cmon guys you obviously have different opinions and aren't going to sway the other to agree..
It is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of facts. I get tired of people posting on forums advice on stuff they obviously have no clue about.
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Here are som rear axle numbers for rear axle shaft strength and output torque rating by Warn and 4 Wheeler.

COT: Continuous output torque rating
MOT: Maximum output torque rating

Dana 35 rear axle COT: 870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460
Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500]
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The original poster said he was going to ride sandy trails and at the beach. I dont think he has to worry about breaking anything running the stock axles... Spring over that bad boy and slap those 31's (id go atleast 33's) on it and hit the beach bro..
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Here are som rear axle numbers for rear axle shaft strength and output torque rating by Warn and 4 Wheeler.

COT: Continuous output torque rating
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Dana 35 rear axle COT: 870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460
Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500]
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After reading all the post in this thread. I find myself asking, why do you hate the Dana 35 so bably? I've been running the d30/35 combination in my Jeep since 93 without problems. I've even upgraded the gears(4.56:1)and ARBs front and rear. Tires went from stock to 30s to 34s, still no breakage. I'm sure you'll agree that any axle can be broken if you try hard enough or over power them. Full size axles aren't feasible where I wheel due to width restriction imposed by the state and federal authorities, depending who's land your on. A lot of trails I run have 72"-75" width restrictions, so full size truck axles are not permitted. They wouldn't fit between the trees anyway. How wide is your Jeep? I would very much like to see your rig and what you've done to it. Can you post a "Jeep Profile" and/or some images in your gallery?

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After reading all the post in this thread. I find myself asking, why do you hate the Dana 35 so bably? I've been running the d30/35 combination in my Jeep since 93 without problems. I've even upgraded the gears(4.56:1)and ARBs front and rear. Tires went from stock to 30s to 34s, still no breakage. I'm sure you'll agree that any axle can be broken if you try hard enough or over power them. Full size axles aren't feasible where I wheel due to width restriction imposed by the state and federal authorities, depending who's land your on. A lot of trails I run have 72"-75" width restrictions, so full size truck axles are not permitted. They wouldn't fit between the trees anyway. How wide is your Jeep? I would very much like to see your rig and what you've done to it. Can you post a "Jeep Profile" and/or some images in your gallery?

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This was in a less than 4 year span on 2 different Jeeps, all with a 2.5L stock shaft Dana 35's.

This is with a stock 35, 4.11 gears.

1st a Snapped shaft , wasn't barely beating on it (31's *BFG A/T's)

2nd Snapped another shaft and caused R&P damage as well. (33's *Turdbirds)

Regeared to 4.56 with detroit locker, stock shafts.

3rd Snapped another shaft. (33's *Turdbirds)

4th R&P damage with no snapped shafts. (35's just driving down the road *Baja Claw Radials)

8.8 has been on 35s since 2003, I've done the brakes and changed the fluid and had ZERO issues. I have seen people beat the crap out of D35's and not break them, and I have seen them break in situations I wouldnt think they would. It's not if you are going to break a D35, it's when.

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