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Old 05-25-2017, 11:19 PM   #61
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Over the knuckle steering SOA WILL NOT clear. SUA, you can clear over or under the knuckle.

The point of hi steer is for SOA over the knuckle.

If you want over the knuckle steering with little headache, stay SUA. I haven't set up an SUA Jeep with more than 2.5" springs, so YJ Fanatic is your guy.

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Ok, you've convinced me. I am going to use a SUA kit and take it back to the original design for the suspension so that it works properly. I'll get an 8.8 rear end and regear the front axle to match. That way all the parts seem like they will be easier to find and I won't be trying to piece it together with the hopes that it might work.

I really do appreciate all the advice. Now I need to start rounding up the parts.

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If you're going with 4.10s, it might be cheaper and easier to just buy a D30 with 4.10s and SUA perches, since yours are cut off.

Need any help on anything, let me know. I think I went through 5 lifts on my YJ before settling on one, so I've got some experience with lots of configurations haha
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Don't cheap out on the quality aspect of springs, I had to replace my 5 yr old rough country 4" springs due to the springs shifting within the pack. Not to mention they sagged. Do you already have a SYE?


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Yup, it has a SYE which is a good start. If I can find a 30 already done up I will but I missed out on that one from a few months ago. I am going to get the 8.8 swap kit and what not from MOuntain Off Road Enterpises since it looks like the right set up for the SUA.

And I am not going cheap on anything. I want to get the best because I only want to do this one time and hopefully get it right.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:43 PM   #66
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I want to clarify something.... i suggested RE extreme duty springs.... there is a HUGE difference between there standard and extreme springs..... HUGE

They cost more but the ride and flex they provide is absolutely amazing.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:50 PM   #67
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The entire kit is $1500... personally tho I peiced mine together.... individual springs run @$165 each

I don't have em but would think rancho adjustable shocks would be great to fine tune the ride
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Rubicon-Expres...%257Ciid%253A4
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Good point about piecing together the lift. Many kits come with lots of bullshit parts you don't need. Track bar relocator, extended sway bar links, brake line relocation kits, extended shock brackets, steering stabilizer setup kit.

That stuff is more for the "bolt on" crowd. If you're designing your own setup, chances are you will have lots of leftover parts unless you piece it together. Lots of that stuff is just ridiculous. Brake line extension? Put on extended hoses and replace the brake line with a longer one to run it down the frame... That's what I did.

You seem to be placing functionality and practicality over money and doing it yourself. For this route I'd suggest East Coast Gear Supply Ford 8.8, pre-built. I went the hard way of pulling an Explorer 8.8 and setting it up through trial and error. Not the best but I'm poor and I want to learn...
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Old 05-27-2017, 07:41 AM   #69
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Another thing to consider which can be cheap or even free if you're handy is cut rear fenders and highline fronts...

Doesn't require as much suspension or body lift to get the tires on and keeps your center of gravity lower for better stability and handling
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I've been reading this, and I think these two guys are leading you straight, If your not doing some real hard wheeling over real bad PooPoo then the SUA 4.5 and 1" shackles sounds like the best way to go to me, for 35" tires, you need a housing for the front because yours has been cut up, so a front D35 from a 1995 4cly 5speed will have the larger U-joints and 4.10 gears and get a disk brake Ford 8.8 rear 4.10 with Limited Slip for the rear, later put a lunchbox locker in front an have a great on-off set-up! Tires need to replaced when they are 5 Years old, so when that time comes go to 33" and be only 1" lower to ground and geared just right!
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I didn't notice it mentioned, although I could've missed it...but you'll want to make sure that 8.8 is a 31 spline, and not the 28 spline.
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I am going to talk to the guys at 4WP on Saturday to get the build list started. Then I am going to start the search for the axles. I figure those will be the hardest to get my hands on but being in Atlanta there should be a lot of parts options. I hope...

I will keep this post updated with pics and such as I make progress.
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Tires need to replaced when they are 5 Years old, so when that time comes go to 33" and be only 1" lower to ground and geared just right!
The magic number for tires is 10 years old. That's the number set by the DOT. Really it depends on the storage of the tires. I've seen 4 year old tires that look like garbage and have cracks everywhere. I've also pulled off a set of 20 year old tires that looked like they got put on a year ago. But I'd stick to 10.

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I am going to talk to the guys at 4WP on Saturday to get the build list started. Then I am going to start the search for the axles. I figure those will be the hardest to get my hands on but being in Atlanta there should be a lot of parts options. I hope...

I will keep this post updated with pics and such as I make progress.
Yeah you're not in the best location for axles... The better Jeep junkyards are out west, Arizona and New Mexico and such. Given your situation, an axle from East Coast gear supply may be your best bet. Comes pre built. I don't know what all their options are but I do know you can have them gear it, lock it, etc.
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Didnt realize you were in atlanta... i'm currently working an hour west of atlanta...
My YJ in in indiana now... a few weeks ago I could have let you ride in it and see how you liked my setup.... too bad
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https://atlanta.craigslist.org/wat/pts/6137672607.html

3.07 gears but.....

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/pts/6154138185.html

Came from soa but still has stock perches on it...
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I was just looking at those this morning.
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If you keep watching some will pop up from a 4 cyl w 4:10's
Just keep checking every couple hours every day and then be ready to pounce
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Thank You MudMagnetYJ for bringing me to the point of not just hear say and or what I have read in Mags in the past, I did go and research tire life and was unable to find anything from the DOT about it, I did see where some top line tire companies say there tires are better than most and are good for 10 yrs. if well maintained and inspected every year after 5yrs. , but most auto Makers say 6yrs.. I did find this very good read about tire life! Thanks again for making me do my homework!
Tires Expire in Six Years - Tire Safety Group
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Also check Car-Part.com...that's how I found my d30 donor with 410's. About $300


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Thanks for the website, it will make looking for axles a lot easier. Already found a few possible ones.
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UPDATE:

Man, I never would have thought that it was going to take me 2 years before I could start my suspension rebuild. Life and work sure threw me some curve balls but the time is now and the parts have begun to arrive. Here is where I am at, I will probably do a small write up with pics once I am done and I will probably have some questions.

I got lucky and was just checking Craigslist one day a few weeks ago and a Ford 8.8 popped up for sale from a fellow Jeeper. He works at a shop west of Atlanta and was selling his rear end. It has 4.88 gears, welded tubes, upgraded disc brakes and diff cover and is already set up for a RE 4.5" lift. Score!!! So I started talking to him about buying it and he mentioned that he was getting rid of his front as well. Score again!! It is already geared to match the rear, has Terraflex joints, lunchbox locker. upgraded axles and 1 ton steering components which he left on it. He is switching his over to new Rubicon axles and going to a SOA lift.

I ordered the RE 4.5" Extreme Duty lift kit and it all arrived on Monday/Tuesday, my ubolts and plates from M.O.R.E. for the 8.8 won't get here till this upcoming Monday, my new steering stabilizer and track bar will be here this weekend. I am so pumped to get this going, you guys just have no idea how long I have been waiting to fix this.

This is a project for me and my dad to do together before he gets too old to wrench on anything. I have always wanted to do a project like this with him. We have already pulled all the original axles and springs and just waiting on time to get over there and the above mentioned parts and then the fun begins. He is doing some little things like painting the front axle and such because he is retired and bored.
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Man, I never would have thought that it was going to take me 2 years before I could start my suspension rebuild. Life and work sure threw me some curve balls but the time is now and the parts have begun to arrive. Here is where I am at, I will probably do a small write up with pics once I am done and I will probably have some questions.

I got lucky and was just checking Craigslist one day a few weeks ago and a Ford 8.8 popped up for sale from a fellow Jeeper. He works at a shop west of Atlanta and was selling his rear end. It has 4.88 gears, welded tubes, upgraded disc brakes and diff cover and is already set up for a RE 4.5" lift. Score!!! So I started talking to him about buying it and he mentioned that he was getting rid of his front as well. Score again!! It is already geared to match the rear, has Terraflex joints, lunchbox locker. upgraded axles and 1 ton steering components which he left on it. He is switching his over to new Rubicon axles and going to a SOA lift.

I ordered the RE 4.5" Extreme Duty lift kit and it all arrived on Monday/Tuesday, my ubolts and plates from M.O.R.E. for the 8.8 won't get here till this upcoming Monday, my new steering stabilizer and track bar will be here this weekend. I am so pumped to get this going, you guys just have no idea how long I have been waiting to fix this.

This is a project for me and my dad to do together before he gets too old to wrench on anything. I have always wanted to do a project like this with him. We have already pulled all the original axles and springs and just waiting on time to get over there and the above mentioned parts and then the fun begins. He is doing some little things like painting the front axle and such because he is retired and bored.
Way to go wookiedave,

We sometimes hear about a father/son Jeep project, but this is the first son/father Jeep project that I remember.
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He's already ground off the tabs we didn't need on the front end and has painted it. Just need some time to get over there and start working on it with him, damn job and all that in the way.
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