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Old 04-04-2019, 06:43 PM   #31
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I can't say for sure but I suspect they would be similar to the 4".... they rode nice but didn't hold up to extreme abuse.... I can't guarantee them like I can the extremes they used to make....

You also COULD consider a combination of 2" springs plus 1.25" body lift....


Fwiw, I wouldn't buy ANY kit, I have always found that buying individual parts gets me better deals and a better combo.... kits often have a lot of fluff to help sell the kit that you don't need pus just because you decide on say re springs doesn't mean you want re shocks.

Kits are easy and the ones that can show more parts in a pic for the same price or lower than another are big sellers....

A quality spring is imho MORE important driving to dairy queen than playing in the woods....

Tires at 7 psi takes a LOT of the bone jarring away vs 25 to 30 on the street

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A quality spring is imho MORE important driving to dairy queen than playing in the woods....

Tires at 7 psi takes a LOT of the bone jarring away vs 25 to 30 on the street
Interesting thought. Makes me want to go get a chocolate dipped cone.

We're usually driving much slower on the trail so that the rocks, ruts and potholes aren't as noticeable no matter what springs or tires we're running.

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Interesting.... i wonder if these ARE the old extreme duty, just not called extreme anymore?

EDIT: trying to remember a conversation I had w the RE people many years ago about the 2 1/2" springs.... thinkin MAYBE they told me they WERE the same as the old extreme duty springs..... can't be sure tho
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It took every bit of will power I had plus a big chunk of nestle choc chip cookie dough to keep from going to DQ tonight.... lol
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It took every bit of will power I had plus a big chunk of nestle choc chip cookie dough to keep from going to DQ tonight.... lol
I admire your willpower. Sometimes you just gotta give in!
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Interesting.... i wonder if these ARE the old extreme duty, just not called extreme anymore?

EDIT: trying to remember a conversation I had w the RE people many years ago about the 2 1/2" springs.... thinking MAYBE they told me they WERE the same as the old extreme duty springs..... can't be sure tho
I will have to call them direct and ask them. I think RE is the way I am leaning. I may go kit just to be easier for the short term, get it all in in one box and knock it out. Then upgrade my shocks down line a bit.

I am ready to get the lift decided on and installed, so I can move on to the winch decision. Lord if I put up a thread about thoughts on winches...
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Wenches are fun especially when plied with grog.
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Wenches are fun especially when plied with grog.
Grog is a naval drink (British navy). Have you ever tried to get a wench aboard ship?
The only one we ever got aboard was fat and had a mustache. She was real popular until a First Class Petty Officer found out about her.
He arrested her and took her to his cabin, then put her ashore a week later without charges.
Rank hath privilege.

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Btw... as to the original question, my answer is to only replace whatever NEEDS replaced.... pulling off good parts and buying new is a waste of money...
If your steering damper is blown out then replace it w a <$20 unit at your local parts store....
Ball joints same thing, look for wear ie slop... I'm in the spicer camp on them
Tie rod ends again same thing.... if worn, replace em...

Steel is steel and new steel is no better than old steel if it is undamaged..
And as a different perspective, I mostly tend to agree with that.

But, when replacing ball joints, I do them all based on the amount of work involved. Tie rods can be done as per wear. Wheel bearings, I replace both sides at the same time. And I have never needed new adjusting sleeves.

But that is what is good about this forum. Lots of people throwing ideas into the soup and you can pick n choose what you like.
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ABSOLUTELY..... if you need one ball joint, at least do both on that side, but yeah, I've always done em in sets of 4...
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Lift review post #174

This RC kit now has over 90k miles on it and still going.
Tie rods and drag link were replaced with MOOG parts from Rock Auto just after the lift install.
Nothing has been changed or broken since.
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This RC kit now has over 90k miles on it and still going.
Tie rods and drag link were replaced with MOOG parts from Rock Auto just after the lift install.
Nothing has been changed or broken since.
Did the springs break in or always remain stiff? My stock suspension is so flat anything has to be better I would think. So much hate on here for RC. If you have read this thread, you know I am just trying to make the best decision while being $$ conscious.
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It was never a harsh ride. The "trick" with any suspension install, is to not over-tighten the shackle bolts and lube them when you install them thru the bushings. This is my daily driver and is on the highway at 70 with no issues. You're welcome to a test run, if you come to Savannah. Just PM me.
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I've seen that about over tightening shackles dozens of times but never believed it myself...

I tighten em down hard w no effect on ride....

I do believe that there is a reason so many folks seem to see an improvement loosening them but I think that's a symptom of some other issue.... metal on metal w no bearing or bushing moving is generally not a good thing

I don't say this to attack in any way.... I'm honestly curious, after decades of cranking em down of chevies, fords, dodges, toyota, jeeps, and more and I've never encountered this issue....

I'm confident that this "trick" doesn't apply to all lift springs but would love to know what's going on for dolks that it seems to help...
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Maybe tightening them too much isolates the front part of the spring from the back part of the spring, making it like you have 2 short springs? I am guessing there is flex transfer throughout the spring if torqued correctly, but I don’t know.

If you take a broom and put it in a vise, you will be able to push it down on both side further than you will be able to push it back or forward because even though it is held tight the up and down movement is not as isolated as the front to back?
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I see where you're headed there but w every spring I've ever encountered, with the bolts on either end tightened down hard, I could always move the springs very easily by hand.... that's the reason the steel sleeves are there, to keep correct spacing between shackles and between frame bracket sides....

Has to be something else going on... sleeves way too short, bushings too wide, folks not using sleeves, sleeves and bolts too small diameter and sleeves slipping into shackle/ frame holes.... something
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Except it isn't $1000.00 once is cheaper than $600.00 twice (which is true).
It ends up $600.00 once, then $1000.00 to do it right when the $600.00 parts crap out.

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Do they "crap out"? And if so, how? I called two custom jeep shops yesterday that install all types of lifts. I explained my use of the jeep, not building a crawler, just a beach cruiser and maybe light trail rider.

Both recommended RC. I told them I had the funds to do better, and asked them both about OME, RE, and ProComp. They steered me away from PC, said way to stiff.

They both, from exper, recommended to go RC. I said I don't mind making the investment, they said you don't need to, not worth the extra cost.

So I need to hear how the OME is so much better? Real world comparison. Or how the RC craps out after a year or so? There is a difference in breaking in and crapping out.

And considering this jeep is still riding on original springs and shocks, I think everything will be a drastic improvement.
From stock to my RC lift. For daily driving. Has never sagged or failed me off roading or at the beach
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When I see a rough country sticker on a jacked up jeep I get ptsd. I have a bad back from the army and rc always made it worse. Definitely glad I switched to ome.
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When I see a rough country sticker on a jacked up jeep I get ptsd. I have a bad back from the army and rc always made it worse. Definitely glad I switched to ome.
Maybe I don't know any better, who knows. I ride over potholes without any worry. I feel like vibration but it's nothing spine shattering like a hoopty sedan. I've driven my YJ to Vegas and back. Ride comfort was never an issue. Trying to keep above 50 mph uphill ? , Now that's a whole different story lol
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You have said that you will not do any hard wheeling, which I don’t think most with a 2.5” lift can really do anyway. You don’t plan on heavy aftermarket bumpers? Heavy winch? I would guess that the standard duty should be fine. In my reading of the RE 2.5” standard duty springs, up to 3.5” lift is not uncommon.

Guys like Gottagofast, that have had both the standard and heavy duty have something to compare to, so he can say for sure the difference. I would guess that guys that go from stock or RC say that the RE standard duty is heaven.

I don’t think ride quality should be based on a “daily driver” or “weekend warrior” basis. You want performance anytime you are driving it. A crappy 3 mile ride? Why?

I look at incremental improvements. 15% improvement with tires, 15% improvement with suspension update, 15% improvement with be negated completely with a 15% reduction in a lesser lift kit.

I tend to overthink everything, so keep that in mind.

And as a side dish....
I am saving for the RE 2.5” standard duty and adding a body lift.
I will be going with a RC 1.25” body lift with Crown Automotive body bushing and hardware kit.
Most go with the Daystar but I won’t have any polyurthane on my vehicles, I hate it. I would rather replace rubber every 10-15 years than have squeaking in the first 3 and lasting for 25 years. Plus rubber is a better ride, adding a 2% ride quality, add it.

Sorry, a lot of coffee in me today.
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Well said...
Soft springs on the street w 30 psi in the tires matter to me more than offroad w 5 psi
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I like Moog, sue me. Most will suggest the Ball Joints to be Spicer. Most will suggest the Wheel bearings to be Timken.

I will be replacing these components before I ever think about a lift or wheels.

Jeep YJ Front suspension
Amazon.com: Spicer 5-760X U-Joint Kit
Amazon.com: MOOG 513084 Wheel Bearing and Hub Assembly
Amazon.com: RuffStuff Specialties Y-Link Steering Tie Rod "CURE" Jeep YJ
Amazon.com: Moog ES3095R Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog K3161T Ball Joint
Amazon.com: Moog K3134T Ball Joint
Amazon.com: Moog ES3096L Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog ES2323S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
Amazon.com: Moog DS1236S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
Amazon.com: Moog DS1237 Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog ES3094L Tie Rod End
cross check prices with rockauto.com also note that your local parts store may be as cheap when you get online coupons and the ease of warranty exchanges. I try to buy wear items from local parts store as they offer a great warranty.

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