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Old 04-01-2019, 02:40 PM
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Good afternoon WF! I just had some 31x10.5 BFG KO2's installed, man what a great riding tire!

My next step is a 2.5 inch lift, probably going with the ProComp lift, I like it as it is a comprehensive kit that includes TC drop, new sway bars, and other needed items.

https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/pro-co...lift-kits/9387

(I say that to say I don't need anyone encouraging me to go with an OME lift kit, I know they are the best, but I just don't need to make that kind of investment on this jeep for it's use, won't be rock crawling or doing anything other than maybe a fire road or hunt camp.)

When I got the tires put on I decided to not do an alignment since the lift was coming and I would need one once I had that installed.

While I was talking to my tire shop guy about all that he made the comment, "while you are in there doing the lift, it would probably be a good idea to replace your steering components as well." I heard him, but at the time didn't think to elaborate with him on what components he would recommend.

So, with that, I wanted to come to the forum with your thoughts. While I am digging into the front end, this is the perfect time to spend a little more time and money to get it all updated and improved.

What should I replace? Tie rods? Steering stabilizer?

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Ball joints and Hubs as well.

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I know you're set on not getting OME. So right now I have the rough country 4" lift, waiting to get replaced with OME. I'll update on the ride difference. However my point is that you could piece a lift together for much cheaper.
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I know you're set on not getting OME. So right now I have the rough country 4" lift, waiting to get replaced with OME. I'll update on the ride difference. However my point is that you could piece a lift together for much cheaper.
You mean much cheaper than the ProComp set? I guess I shouldn't completely write off the OME. When do you expect to have your OME set-up installed?
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OME or RE or BDS.... all are FAR superior to rc.
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OME or RE or BDS.... all are FAR superior to rc.
I am not looking at RC. RC doesn't make ProComp, do they?!
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OME or RE or BDS.... all are FAR superior to rc.
I am not looking at RC. RC doesn't make ProComp, do they?!
The answer is no. RC is their own brand. I will have my new leaf springs installed this weekend. I am very excited for the change. So far the springs and bushings for OME was $520 shipped. I recently purchased a full set of skyjacker hydro shocks, that was $180 so I'm $700 into a new lift kit setup. You could make your own t case drop at a hardware store. Most kits just give you fluff. You probably won't need a t case drop nor a slip yoke nor extended brake lines with a mild lift.
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The answer is no. RC is their own brand. I will have my new leaf springs installed this weekend. I am very excited for the change. So far the springs and bushings for OME was $520 shipped. I recently purchased a full set of skyjacker hydro shocks, that was $180 so I'm $700 into a new lift kit setup. You could make your own t case drop at a hardware store. Most kits just give you fluff. You probably won't need a t case drop nor a slip yoke nor extended brake lines with a mild lift.
Really look forward to hearing how the OME do for you. I was all about the ProComp because 4WP had them on sale for 15% off plus a no tax sale and free shipping. That made the kit like $520 out the door.

Now it's off sale so it's $602 before tax and shipping. So it isn't as attractive of a buy.

I have the money for the OME, just question the decision to spend that much on something driven so little, basically a pull behind the motorhome beach cruiser. At the end of the day, this is just a 2.5 4cyl jeep. I know if I'm not careful I am going to have $10 grand in a $2500 jeep. At the end of the day, I guess that is fine too. The whole point is to enjoy it and make it your own, right? It's not an investment, it's a hobby.

I really look forward to hearing about your experience following the install.
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When I bought my jeep I had no intention of installing higher priced parts into it. I bought the cheapest soft top, wheels and tires, suspension, seat covers, you name it. Now over the last few months I have sold all those cheap parts and bought the best in the line up. I highly regret restoring my jeep with lower end parts because now its costed me more money in the long run.
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When I bought my jeep I had no intention of installing higher priced parts into it. I bought the cheapest soft top, wheels and tires, suspension, seat covers, you name it. Now over the last few months I have sold all those cheap parts and bought the best in the line up. I highly regret restoring my jeep with lower end parts because now its costed me more money in the long run.
I found the same thing to be true, I spend time looking for good used oem parts, or quality aftermarket when I need something. It puts Mods on back burner sometimes while I'm waiting for Mrs. Got it to release funding, but now I'm only having to do it once. ie, AX-15 swap
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When I bought my jeep I had no intention of installing higher priced parts into it. I bought the cheapest soft top, wheels and tires, suspension, seat covers, you name it. Now over the last few months I have sold all those cheap parts and bought the best in the line up. I highly regret restoring my jeep with lower end parts because now its costed me more money in the long run.
So in less than 24 hours you may have convinced me to make the plunge for the better lift. My wife and I have a saying, do it right....do it once. May seem to cost a bit more up front, but in the long run, it is much less.

Thanks for the dialogue, and please keep me posted, look forward to hearing about it after the install.
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If you are looking at an "all inclusive" kit, I'm not sure one exists. However, if Pro Comp is $602+taxes and shipping, look at Rubicon Express 2.5" kit. It has just about everything including quick disconnects. They only other item you might to consider are the shock relocation mounts.

I will second, it maybe third, the do it right the first time mantra. $1000 once is less than $600 twice.
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I will second, it maybe third, the do it right the first time mantra. $1000 once is less than $600 twice.
Except it isn't $1000.00 once is cheaper than $600.00 twice (which is true).
It ends up $600.00 once, then $1000.00 to do it right when the $600.00 parts crap out.

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Glad to hear you're looking into high quality parts. Cheaper parts can get you by but you'll always end up regretting and wanting a do over when all is said and done. Pay the price now and you can always tell yourself "it doesn't get any better than this"
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Except it isn't $1000.00 once is cheaper than $600.00 twice (which is true).
It ends up $600.00 once, then $1000.00 to do it right when the $600.00 parts crap out.

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Do they "crap out"? And if so, how? I called two custom jeep shops yesterday that install all types of lifts. I explained my use of the jeep, not building a crawler, just a beach cruiser and maybe light trail rider.

Both recommended RC. I told them I had the funds to do better, and asked them both about OME, RE, and ProComp. They steered me away from PC, said way to stiff.

They both, from exper, recommended to go RC. I said I don't mind making the investment, they said you don't need to, not worth the extra cost.

So I need to hear how the OME is so much better? Real world comparison. Or how the RC craps out after a year or so? There is a difference in breaking in and crapping out.

And considering this jeep is still riding on original springs and shocks, I think everything will be a drastic improvement.
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And considering this jeep is still riding on original springs and shocks, I think everything will be a drastic improvement.
I was speaking about parts and upgrades in general. I always want to buy the best parts I can afford.
I suggest to anyone to do their due diligence when making a purchase.

As far as RC lift kits, the general wisdom from many, many posts I've read is that RC springs ride rough. There have been several recent threads about lift kits, and I don't remember anyone recommending RC.
If you buy the RC lift kit, let us know your thoughts. If you join a local Jeep club, perhaps another YJ owner will allow you to drive his rig. It would be nice to "drive before you buy".

I replaced my sagging stock springs with stock height heavy duty springs and mid grade NAPA shocks. I realized a great improvement. The Jeep still has a moderately stiff ride that I find acceptable. YJs are running on slightly modified WW II suspension technology. I don't have high expectations about a comfortable ride.

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Missed the pro comp.... pretty sure they're rock hard too
The reason the shops are pushing RC is because they sell it and make money w it....
Rough country springs are well known to be some of the roughest riding springs on the market....

Never get your advice from people who have their hands out wanting your money.... trust your fellow jeepers.... we have nothing to gain from selling you parts....

Rough country does make some decent components but not springs.... if they wanted to put their springs on my jeep for free I'd tell em to pound sand.
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Agreed with GottaGo. We have nothing to gain here. I myself have a rough country lift and due to this lift I CANNOT imagine driving my jeep out of town for a short road trip. It is that rough. Ive also changed out the rc nitro shocks for skyjacker hydros, still rough but not as much. My lift is also just over 1 year old. That's the main reason for getting my old man emu lift...which should be delivered today but i dont have time until the weekend to install.
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Never get your advice from people who have their hands out wanting your money.... trust your fellow jeepers.... we have nothing to gain from selling you parts....
Good points, and to those points...

1) I told both shops during the conversation that I did my own work and would be buying my parts direct from manufacturer, not from them. And anyway, if I said to them (which I did) look, I have the money to buy the Old Man Emu, you just have to convince me that they are worth spending twice as much. Don't you think they would say, buy the OME then. But they didn't.

2) So last night I sold my old tubular bumper I pulled off when I installed my RockHard4x4 bumper set to a local guy with a YJ. He wasn't in his jeep, so I asked him, hey man, do you have a lift on yours? Yep, he said, a 2.5 inch rough country. What do you think of it, I said? He said when he got the jeep it had a 4 inch lift, but it was more than he wanted, so he bought the RC. And he loves it. To the point that his dad, who also has a yj, bought one to upgrade from stock, said it's great and a big improvement over stock.

So....there's that.
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Agreed with GottaGo. We have nothing to gain here. I myself have a rough country lift and due to this lift I CANNOT imagine driving my jeep out of town for a short road trip. It is that rough. Ive also changed out the rc nitro shocks for skyjacker hydros, still rough but not as much. My lift is also just over 1 year old. That's the main reason for getting my old man emu lift...which should be delivered today but i dont have time until the weekend to install.
I still look forward to hearing your honest feelings after you get the lift on. You will have the truest opinion having then had both on the same jeep.

The difference for me is still going to be, yours is a daily driver, mine is a 20 mile a week driver. I think you see what I mean, the difference has to be three times better to warrant me spending twice the money.
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I currently own 6 jeeps.... have had or still have rough country, bds, stock, and 3 different versions of re yj springs.... the rough country springs I had were old and I only drove on them less than 1/4 mile so I have limited driving experience.... they were horrible and I scrapped em.... the re's.... the 2.5 extreme duty (now discontinued) were absolutely amazing.... best riding jeep I ever experienced.... I still have them.... re 4" standard duty were pretty good but didn't hold up to my hard wheeling. I destroyed em in a few months.... re 4.5" extreme duty are amazing again but I would say just due to the added height the ride isn't quite as nice as the 2.5 extremes.... bds 2.5... very nice ride, not quite as soft or flexy as re but very good all around and best warranty out there....

Stock.... stiffer than either bds or any of the re springs plus w limited up travel available more prone to bottoming on bigger bumps esp while articulated...

I have not had ome personally but have spoken w enough folks that switched to them to be confident im their ride quality...

I have also known a few folks to order custom springs from alcan spring with great results...

I have also had 6" rough country springs on the front of a suburban w add a leafs and blocks in the rear plus a 3" body lift, running 42" swampers.... that was a long time ago but those springs were unbelievably hard....
IE, run over a nickel and feel whether it was heads or tales....
Back then, all that mattered was height and big tires so I ran em for years and just dealt w the ride...
At that point in my life, $50 was a lot of money for me so I ran whatever I could scrounge up used.
Come to think of it I may actually still have em.... scrapped that suburban 20 years ago
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Here is a Lift Thread.
https://www.wranglerforum.com/f218/y...ews-25156.html

Reading through, you may notice that most people that go from stock to RC, love them. The people that go from RC to RE/OME/BDS hate RC, lol.
Even your resale value goes up with a higher quality lift, if the buyer is aware.

As far as steering components, I have a little list that I compiled into a shopping list on Amazon. I will see how easy it will be to post it here.
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I like Moog, sue me. Most will suggest the Ball Joints to be Spicer. Most will suggest the Wheel bearings to be Timken.

I will be replacing these components before I ever think about a lift or wheels.

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Amazon.com: Spicer 5-760X U-Joint Kit
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Amazon.com: RuffStuff Specialties Y-Link Steering Tie Rod "CURE" Jeep YJ
Amazon.com: Moog ES3095R Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog K3161T Ball Joint
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Amazon.com: Moog ES2323S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
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Honestly this thread took a totally different direction but I feel that it is very helpful. I will start my thread to compare my current rc lift to my new ome lift (after the install and test drives)
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You will find some posters know EVERYTHING and if you deviate one millimeter from their suggestions, Doom is soon to follow. Others have learned through trial and error what works or is generally good ideas/parts/options for your questions. I am neither, I have to much to learn. It's your Jeep, do what makes you, your wallet and your spouse happy.
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Btw... as to the original question, my answer is to only replace whatever NEEDS replaced.... pulling off good parts and buying new is a waste of money...
If your steering damper is blown out then replace it w a <$20 unit at your local parts store....
Ball joints same thing, look for wear ie slop... I'm in the spicer camp on them
Tie rod ends again same thing.... if worn, replace em...

Steel is steel and new steel is no better than old steel if it is undamaged..
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Amen to that. My wallet can handle the expense of whatever springs and kit, but it can do so because I try to be very thoughtful on all of my purchases, I don't like to spend money unnecessarily. I like to make informed decisions and get the best bang for my buck, it leaves $$$ for other projects.

An example, when I bought my tractor, I could have afforded a John Deere, but did a ton of research and went with Mahindra instead. The incredible cost to value ratio, has never let me down and I have money left over. For my use, I have a tractor that performs and does everything I need it to do, at a lower price tag and a different color. I was not willing to pay a premium for green paint.

Same goes here, why spend the extra money when there is not that great of a return. If I was rock crawling, or if this was my daily driver, sure, spend the cash. Last night I jumped in the jeep and went up to Dairy Queen and bought an ice cream cone (aside: try the new Dreamsicle dipped cone, it's awesome). It was a total trip time of maybe 10 minutes and 3 miles. But it put a smile on my face...top down, doors off.

I need springs comfortable enough that the ice cream doesn't pop out of my cone on the drive home! Lol.

As for keeping the wife happy, she's good, she even let the jeep have its own bank account and debit card. Literally. It's noted at our bank as the "Jeep Account."
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I like Moog, sue me. Most will suggest the Ball Joints to be Spicer. Most will suggest the Wheel bearings to be Timken.

I will be replacing these components before I ever think about a lift or wheels.

Jeep YJ Front suspension
Amazon.com: Spicer 5-760X U-Joint Kit
Amazon.com: MOOG 513084 Wheel Bearing and Hub Assembly
Amazon.com: RuffStuff Specialties Y-Link Steering Tie Rod "CURE" Jeep YJ
Amazon.com: Moog ES3095R Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog K3161T Ball Joint
Amazon.com: Moog K3134T Ball Joint
Amazon.com: Moog ES3096L Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog ES2323S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
Amazon.com: Moog DS1236S Tie Rod End Adjusting Sleeve
Amazon.com: Moog DS1237 Tie Rod End
Amazon.com: Moog ES3094L Tie Rod End
This!! Thank you, what a great reference and you did a better job than I did at getting this thread back on track to its original purpose, you are a gentleman and a scholar!

This will be a great reference depending on what I find as I get the jeep up in the air!
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the re's.... the 2.5 extreme duty (now discontinued) were absolutely amazing.... best riding jeep I ever experienced.... I still have them.... re 4" standard duty were pretty good but didn't hold up to my hard wheeling. I destroyed em in a few months.... re 4.5" extreme duty are amazing again but I would say just due to the added height the ride isn't quite as nice as the 2.5 extremes.... bds 2.5... very nice ride, not quite as soft or flexy as re but very good all around and best warranty out there....
The BDS it appears only comes in a 2 inch kit, not the 2.5. So I think that will be out.

So I wonder if the standard duty RE would be close to as good as the older extreme duty that is no longer offered? I priced that set-up and it would only be a little over $100 more than what I was going to do with the Rough Country, and for a marked difference that is worth the price of admission. Plus the RE system comes with sway bar discos, so there's added value there!

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