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Old 09-16-2019, 07:23 PM
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Yj steering issues

Bought this jeep yj and I've had nothing but steering issues with it. It does got bump steer but the major issue is road wonder. It wonders back and forth at 30mph. You dont feel it in the wheel it's like something is loose.

The build
- soa
- 2 inchs of leaf lift
- cj front end
- sbc with th350
- dual exhaust
- aftermarket steering linkage
- 35 inch tires

Issues found
- 0 degree castor
- 1 to half an inch sping sag in front
- Passenger side ball joint slight play

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Just to be clear I bought the vehicle in pieces and put it back together. So there was no way of telling that issue was there.
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And just because I'm here
There is take off vibes. My guess is driveshaft angle and advice.
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Welcome to the Forum KING OF AUDIO,

Caster spec should be around 6*.
Spring sag might not be an issue. SOA might be.
Replace all the ball joints.
Rear drive shaft looks to be angled for dual cardan drive shaft with slip yoke eliminator. You have what appears to be a stock drive shaft with a stock slip yoke.

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Get under there and check for play, much easier to do if you have an assistant at the steering wheel where you can watch and feel each part. I just went through all of mine and the ball joints were fine but the tie rod ends were toast. Your tie rod ends look very different from mine though. I also snugged up my steering box about 1/4 turn. Helped a touch.

My rear drive shaft angle looked identical to yours. You need to decide what you are ultimately going to do with your rig. Around town, gravel roads or rock crawling, etc. Then you can decide which direction you want to go (and how much $) to fix that rear angle. I did a transfer case drop on mine and I am good to go.

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As LuckyMac said, get some (a lot) of positive caster then go from there.
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I'm just going to shim the front end as it's easier then moving the perches. For the rear end I'm going to shim it 8 degrees to attempt to mask the issue for now.

How much does caster affect handling?
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With that driveshaft the pinion and TC output shaft angles need to match. If you shim the rear axle so that the pinion angle drops, there's a good chance you'll increase your vibrations.
A transfer case drop and/or a motor mount lift might help until you do a SYE and custom driveshaft.

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What I've ripped out. 3 inch body lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 37 tires replaced with 35s.

The driving straight issue is bigger priority. Just going to leave the rear end for now.

Thinking about going with a 1 inch leaf lift to lower it instead of 2. The pitman isn't 100% centered anymore as I've been lowering it. To compensate ive been moving the steering wheel to correct for center. Do I need to deal with that?

Front shocks I know arnt correct. But can I leave them like this?

There is other issues like 4x4 dosent work as the hardware is missing. Gas tank dosent have a breather(learned that the hard way). There is a nasty boo boo on the frame from previous owner not noticing a snapped shackle for years. I thought it was a rust hole but notice how its rounded to match the leaf.


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-Passenger ball joints
-8 degee shims for front
-U bolts
-Bushings
-1 or 2 inch leafs
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Forgot to mention it already has a 2 inch
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"Thinking about going with a 1 inch leaf lift to lower it instead of 2. The pitman isn't 100% centered anymore as I've been lowering it. To compensate ive been moving the steering wheel to correct for center. Do I need to deal with that?".....

You doing this by turning (adjusting) your drag link? That will affect alignment.

With all that you have removed so far, that should have helped your angles and hopefully vibrations. Sounds like you are on the right track.
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If it were mine, I'd get RE 4.5" extreme springs and go back to sua....
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" What I've ripped out. 3 inch body lift. 1 inch shackle lift. 37 tires replaced with 35s."

Depending on the original installation of the lift. You might want to also check your Radiator positioning.
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Can I take off the front track bar and this assembly as its limiting a full turn.
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If it were mine, I'd get RE 4.5" extreme springs and go back to sua....
Yep, this ⬆️. And start looking at heim joint wear. They certainly don’t look fresh.
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Honestly the longer I study the pics the worse it gets....

Check out the scary track bar bracket... S shaped springs... too long shackles... I personally don't like heims at all but those do look like they have some age...
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I'm just going to shim the front end as it's easier then moving the perches. For the rear end I'm going to shim it 8 degrees to attempt to mask the issue for now.

How much does caster affect handling?
Lack of caster has everything to do with handling. The shorter the wheelbase, the more pronounced effect.

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Can I take off the front track bar and this assembly as its limiting a full turn.
You can do whatever you would like, but that thing already has enough challenges in the handling department. Removing the track bar will in all probability make it worse.

As previously stated, you need to consider what your long term goals are. If you want it to handle good on the street between ‘wheeling trips, you may want to consider starting at square one.

Additionally, it appears the pinion angle is over center in relation to the centerline of the driveshaft, meaning the pinion is pointed up already. This is exacerbated when under accel scenarios as the pinion rotates up under throttle (particularly with less than optimum leaf spring configurations).

Correcting the pinion angle is obviously what needs to occur to eliminate the vibration issue. That being said, that front u-joint is close to max working angle. If you are successful in correcting the pinion angle, the driveshaft effectively becomes “shorter” by doing so. If you yank that yoke out of the transfer case you are going to be disappointed in the result.

That thing needs a slip yoke eliminator and a CV driveshaft.
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Some of those pics are old and it's just what I had on my phone. Some still had the shackle lift in it. So angles have changed. Got some new front springs here and ball joints.

Those heim joints look good and adjoining bar. There basically exposed metal. I dont see any rust on it. The heims seem tight. Thought it looked newer with limited use but may be wrong.
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Dug through some old photos. This is I think better picture of the track bar.
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Some before and after of driveline angles of when I changed shackles.

Dont got a before and after of front angle only before I did it.

Trying to with hold touching the rear till I know what direction I want to go as that's $$$$ and I may change the rear diff with an 8.8 as 35s is pushing it on the stock diff.
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Those angles are so bad, how can that even be driven.
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Heim joints aren't very good for on-road use I'd look at replacing the rod ends and ball joints, get rid of the SOA.

Caster should be 6* don't guess at this get an angle finder to see exactly where your at.

DO NOT use aluminum degree spacers only steel.

When your doing the SUA swap set your pinion angles before you weld on new spring perches. That rear end is all screwed up with angles like that.

In other words who ever did the suspension and steering setup didn't have a clue
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I have used an angle finder at the top of the ball joint to get that 0 answer.

My train of thought so far. In the most cost effective manner. So if I got a 6 degree shim for the front to angle it to factory settings. Then a 8 degree shim for the rear. Get a cv drive shaft for the rear with sye. Also rip out front steering and got to high steer?

Then my problems will be solved?
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After and before of front angles with shackles removed.
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Your most cost-effective solution would be to convert the Jeep back to SUA with some 4.5 inch springs and a 1.5" body lift....

I'm absolutely not trying to be mean here but your current suspension is a trainwreck
Doing a SOA suspension right on a YJ costs way more than a proper SUA and there is absolutely nothing done right on your suspension now.
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I have used an angle finder at the top of the ball joint to get that 0 answer.

My train of thought so far. In the most cost effective manner. So if I got a 6 degree shim for the front to angle it to factory settings. Then a 8 degree shim for the rear. Get a cv drive shaft for the rear with sye. Also rip out front steering and got to high steer?

Then my problems will be solved?
I would not put money on those “repairs” solving your problems. The old adage “Good money after Bad” rings absolutely true.

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Your most cost-effective solution would be to convert the Jeep back to SUA with some 4.5 inch springs and a 1.5" body lift....

I'm absolutely not trying to be mean here but your current suspension is a trainwreck
Doing a SOA suspension right on a YJ costs way more than a proper SUA and there is absolutely nothing done right on your suspension now.
Those last sentences are absolutely factual, unfortunately.
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For the sake of simplicity I would just buy a complete RE 4.5” extreme lift kit and install it.
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For the sake of simplicity I would just buy a complete RE 4.5” extreme lift kit and install it.
Agreed. Quadratec is currently running a 10% off, plus if you ask really nice, they will stack our 5% forum discount. You won’t beat that anywhere currently.

Quality parts, corrects the issues, with the least amount of dollars spent.

KING OF AUDIO keep in mind I am not a spring over hater, they certainly have their merits and I have done conversions on a number of differing 4WD vehicles over the years, but seriously in your case you need a fresh perspective.
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