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Old 02-22-2018, 01:51 PM
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So after 3 years, I'm finally going to start a build on my 15 Unlimited. It's almost paid off so I'm ready. With that said, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm kinda looking for a guiding hand on here. Input or suggestions welcome!

-33 or 35 BFG K02's AT https://www.4wd.com/p/bf-goodrich-33..._/R-BDKZ-37881
-17" Pro Comp Wheels
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-2.5 - 3" lift. (Any suggestions on a good budget lift kit?
-Possibly some spacers, recommendations welcome.

1. Will I need a gear ratio change on 35's?
2. Will 33's on a 3" lift look weak?
3. Will most wheels provide enough spacing for me to not need individual spacers? I'm looking for a little wider stance to get the wheel out of the wells.
4. Do you recommend steel or alloy wheels?

This is my main commuter for the time being but I plan to have some fun in the mud and dirt as well. Thanks in advance!

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So after 3 years, I'm finally going to start a build on my 15 Unlimited. It's almost paid off so I'm ready. With that said, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm kinda looking for a guiding hand on here. Input or suggestions welcome!

-33 or 35 BFG K02's AT https://www.4wd.com/p/bf-goodrich-33..._/R-BDKZ-37881
-17" Pro Comp Wheels
https://www.4wd.com/p/pro-comp-7032-...PQMS=17+Inches
-2.5 - 3" lift. (Any suggestions on a good budget lift kit?
-Possibly some spacers, recommendations welcome.

1. Will I need a gear ratio change on 35's?
2. Will 33's on a 3" lift look weak?
3. Will most wheels provide enough spacing for me to not need individual spacers? I'm looking for a little wider stance to get the wheel out of the wells.
4. Do you recommend steel or alloy wheels?

This is my main commuter for the time being but I plan to have some fun in the mud and dirt as well. Thanks in advance!
What gears to you currently have?

Here's some thoughts.

- Go 35's, nearly all Jeepers seem to want go bigger down the road.

- For lift, I like MetalCloak and TeraFlex. Just make sure that you start with a well designed lift that meets your budget and allows you go bigger down the road. Don't buy a cheap lift and replace it down the road. I know you can swap in the new springs, add upper control arms etc down the road as you desire. This will allow you go bigger without throwing parts out.

- Try to keep weight in relative check. Weight decreases performance. Alloy wheels help here. Run 17's, you'll have the widest tire selection, and have room for brake upgrades.

- Upgrade your brakes, look at Mopar Performance Brake Kit, TeraFlex BBK.

- Buy an AEV ProCal to recalibrate your speedo and shift points. This device also give nice options like turning on DRL's, etc.

- Research everything. The forums are a great resource.


I hope this helps! Good luck with you choices on your build.



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Here's some thoughts.



- Go 35's, nearly all Jeepers seem to want go bigger down the road.



- For lift, I like MetalCloak and TeraFlex. Just make sure that you start with a well designed lift that meets your budget and allows you go bigger down the road. Don't buy a cheap lift and replace it down the road. I know you can swap in the new springs, add upper control arms etc down the road as you desire. This will allow you go bigger without throwing parts out.



- Try to keep weight in relative check. Weight decreases performance. Alloy wheels help here. Run 17's, you'll have the widest tire selection, and have room for brake upgrades.



- Upgrade your brakes, look at Mopar Performance Brake Kit, TeraFlex BBK.



- Buy an AEV ProCal to recalibrate your speedo and shit points. This device also give nice options like turning on DRL's, etc.



- Research everything. The forums are a great resource.





I hope this helps! Good luck with you choices on your build.







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What gears to you currently have?

Here's some thoughts.

- Go 35's, nearly all Jeepers seem to want go bigger down the road.

- For lift, I like MetalCloak and TeraFlex. Just make sure that you start with a well designed lift that meets your budget and allows you go bigger down the road. Don't buy a cheap lift and replace it down the road. I know you can swap in the new springs, add upper control arms etc down the road as you desire. This will allow you go bigger without throwing parts out.

- Try to keep weight in relative check. Weight decreases performance. Alloy wheels help here. Run 17's, you'll have the widest tire selection, and have room for brake upgrades.

- Upgrade your brakes, look at Mopar Performance Brake Kit, TeraFlex BBK.


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Thanks man.

Currently, my stock everything.

I planned on 17" allow wheels but won't I need to change my gear ratio on 35's? My brother inlaw is a huge Jeep guy so he's going to put the lift on with me and save me some money. All told...I'd say my budget is $2500-$3000.
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Thanks man.

Currently, my stock everything.

I planned on 17" allow wheels but won't I need to change my gear ratio on 35's? My brother inlaw is a huge Jeep guy so he's going to put the lift on with me and save me some money. All told...I'd say my budget is $2500-$3000.
Jeeps can be ordered with different gear ratios from the factory. I was asking what ratio you are running now on your stock Jeep? I ordered my Hard Rock with 4.10 gears, as I knew I was going to 35's pretty quickly. While not optimal, it wasn't bad. I saved my re-gear when I went to 37's.


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Jeeps can be ordered with different gear ratios from the factory. I was asking what ratio you are running now on your stock Jeep? I ordered my Hard Rock with 4.10 gears, as I knew I was going to 35's pretty quickly. While not optimal, it wasn't bad. I saved my re-gear when I went to 37's.


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I honestly couldn't tell you. I drove mine off the lot. How can I tell?

To be honest, I'm not looking for a setup to run King of Hammers or anything...just something that looks good and will allow to get dirty when I want to.
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I honestly couldn't tell you. I drove mine off the lot. How can I tell?

To be honest, I'm not looking for a setup to run King of Hammers or anything...just something that looks good and will allow to get dirty when I want to.
For your gears, check this: FAQ - How do I determine my gear ratio? - JeepForum.com

I understand where you're coming from. I've built a few Jeeps, and early on went cheap, only to replace it later. Take a look at some Jeeps set-up as you described, love the way they look? Build to that plan.


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For your gears, check this: FAQ - How do I determine my gear ratio? - JeepForum.com

I understand where you're coming from. I've built a few Jeeps, and early on went cheap, only to replace it later. Take a look at some Jeeps set-up as you described, love the way they look? Build to that plan.


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Steven...nice name, that's mine too. Here's what I've got lined up unless I hear something to make me change my mind.

-BFG All Terrain T/A K02's (35x12.5xR17) If I need a gear ratio adjustment, I'll stick with 33's.
-ProComp 7032 Wheels (17's)
-Rough Country 3.5" lift (If I go with 33's, ill end up with a 2.5" lift)
-62 1.5" Spacers (Are these Spacers not needed with those wheels)

That comes out to roughly $2600. At this price tag, I have a few hundred more to play with. I know you guys probably get bombarded with this kinda stuff but I appreciate all and any input. Thanks.
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Steven...nice name, that's mine too. Here's what I've got lined up unless I hear something to make me change my mind.



-BFG All Terrain T/A K02's (35x12.5xR17) If I need a gear ratio adjustment, I'll stick with 33's.

-ProComp 7032 Wheels (17's)

-Rough Country 3.5" lift (If I go with 33's, ill end up with a 2.5" lift)

-62 1.5" Spacers (Are these Spacers not needed with those wheels)



That comes out to roughly $2600. At this price tag, I have a few hundred more to play with. I know you guys probably get bombarded with this kinda stuff but I appreciate all and any input. Thanks.


You may want to consider a 2.5in lift even going with 35s. I've been researching tons of threads on here and it seems most have gone with 2.5 with 35s and 3.5 with 37s. I too am looking at a bunch of mods soon. Also it seems going to 3.5 usually requires a bunch more stuff swapped out like a spacer for your stock driveshaft to clear or new driveshafts, etc. I personally think a 2.5 with 35s and flat fenders look sweet, that's what I'm leaning towards.


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You may want to consider a 2.5in lift even going with 35s. I've been researching tons of threads on here and it seems most have gone with 2.5 with 35s and 3.5 with 37s. I too am looking at a bunch of mods soon. Also it seems going to 3.5 usually requires a bunch more stuff swapped out like a spacer for your stock driveshaft to clear or new driveshafts, etc. I personally think a 2.5 with 35s and flat fenders look sweet, that's what I'm leaning towards.


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So, I've made the decision that I'm going to go with 33's. Changing my gear ration will totally blow my budget. How common is a 3.5" lift on 33's? I dont want the tires to look funny if the lift is too high. What would you guys suggest on 33's? A 2.5" lift?

The hardest thing for me is deciding on the tires. I'm still learning all the variants but when it comes down to it, I want the biggest 33" with a 17" wheel I can get. I have BFG K02 AT's (LT285/70R17). Any comparable tire to this? Dropping down from 35's saves me about $400. Thanks guys.
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Do 2.5 with 35's and save for gearing
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also Re think about rough country lift. One thing Ive learned, don't settle it'll cost more in the end.
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also Re think about rough country lift. One thing Ive learned, don't settle it'll cost more in the end.
Is there something wrong with Rough Country? Again, I'm new here. The things I've modded to date are computers and guitars. I'm out of my element here so any wise words would go a long way.

I long could I drive on 35's with a 2.5" lift before I screw up my transmission (without a regear)?
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Sounds like I'll save some money since my brother inlaw will do the lift

The real dilemma right now is if I wanna go 35's and drive without a re-gear before I can afford that.
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I have the exact set up...pro comp 7032s with 315/70/17 BFG KO2 on a 2.5 budget boost. It drives better than stock..I mean that. With the KO2s at 28 psi, it drives and handles much better than it did off the dealer lot with the stockers at 40psi. Its my DD with occasional desert trails. For that, its more than enough.

On flat areas, the 3.21 gearing is bearable. Any type of hills and its a total dog. Forget about reaching higher mountain altitudes. With the 3.21 gears and bigger wheels, youll consistently have a parade of cars wanting to pass you. A regear is an absolute must. I have a pedal commander which makes the drive a lot better around town.

My budget boost was only a temporary set up as Im currently putting together a coil lift with Rancho 9000s or Fox 2.0, rancho geo brackets, and front and rear adjustable track bars. Im planning a long desert trek in the spring so wanted a little bit more to the suspension. But if you mainly plan to stay on road with mild off road stuff, I think the budget boost is perfectly fine.
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Oh and forget about the wheel spacers unless you want to stick out way past your fenders like the 80s mini trucks with the small fat wheels. The 7032s that you posted have 4.75 backspacing, with a 2.5 lift, you should be good. If you do rub, its minimal and easily trimmed.

Chances are if the Jeep was off the lot, it has 3.21. You can check the vin on the jeep site. Dont have it handy but a quick google search should bring it up. Just go with the 35s. Youll still want to regear eventually, even with 33s. Try the budget boost, its cheap and you can decide if thats the height you want to be at. Once you decide, then perhaps spend some real coin putting together a better lift. You might be happy with the budget boost and just stay with it. Either way, its a couple bills. I didnt want to plop down a few gs on a lift until I was sure what I wanted.
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Oh and forget about the wheel spacers unless you want to stick out way past your fenders like the 80s mini trucks with the small fat wheels. The 7032s that you posted have 4.75 backspacing, with a 2.5 lift, you should be good. If you do rub, its minimal and easily trimmed.

Chances are if the Jeep was off the lot, it has 3.21. You can check the vin on the jeep site. Dont have it handy but a quick google search should bring it up. Just go with the 35s. Youll still want to regear eventually, even with 33s. Try the budget boost, its cheap and you can decide if thats the height you want to be at. Once you decide, then perhaps spend some real coin putting together a better lift. You might be happy with the budget boost and just stay with it. Either way, its a couple bills. I didnt want to plop down a few gs on a lift until I was sure what I wanted.
Thanks for the insight bud.

I see a lot of people on here talking about "budget builds" and are out the door at $10k+...I'm not looking anywhere near that (at least for the time being).

I wanna have something nice to look at that is my DD but I can also have fun with.

On 35's without a regear, am I redlining up grades? Is it THAT bad? What are the long term effects of driving without the ratio tweak? How long can I drive without a regear before I can damage something?

If I can skate by on 35's without a regear for about 6 months...I'll probably do that.
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I was mostly stock on the big budget mods. I went with the 2.5 inch metalcloak overland sport lift. spidertrax spacers, the exhaust spacers, and pro-comps 35s. I like the look of my results. I hoping to add in a tire carrier and an off road heroes soft top soon.
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Thanks for the insight bud.

I see a lot of people on here talking about "budget builds" and are out the door at $10k+...I'm not looking anywhere near that (at least for the time being).

I wanna have something nice to look at that is my DD but I can also have fun with.

On 35's without a regear, am I redlining up grades? Is it THAT bad? What are the long term effects of driving without the ratio tweak? How long can I drive without a regear before I can damage something?

If I can skate by on 35's without a regear for about 6 months...I'll probably do that.

If you swap tires for 35s and even 33s, you WILL need to calibrate using either the Procal or Flashcall or else your speedo will be off and your Jeep will just drive like crap. As far as gearing, I've been rolling with 3.21 for over a year. Its OK for a DD, which is what I use it for 95% of the time. The Pedal Commander really improves the feel. Check out the long thread on it. I went up to the mountains this past weekend and did have to pull to the side a few times. Not a big deal. I didnt get close to redline, perhaps 4500 or so but that is still high for me. I have plans for a regear but other priorities always seem to override my Jeep wants. Im ok with that...have fun with the family first, Jeep 2nd. I am taking my time with my build and yes, its a budget build. But I plan on keeping my rig for a long while and will replace things for more permanent quality products as things progress.

Even with my carrier, I'm not sure if I want a hinged carrier or a bumper mounted carrier yet, as I have not had the Jeep long enough to determine my needs. So in the meantime, I have a Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier that usually sells for $120. Works just fine, no rattle, vibrations, nada. In time I will decide on a more permanent solution based on me needs. For now...Im just dandy with what I have.
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If you swap tires for 35s and even 33s, you WILL need to calibrate using either the Procal or Flashcall or else your speedo will be off and your Jeep will just drive like crap. As far as gearing, I've been rolling with 3.21 for over a year. Its OK for a DD, which is what I use it for 95% of the time. The Pedal Commander really improves the feel. Check out the long thread on it. I went up to the mountains this past weekend and did have to pull to the side a few times. Not a big deal. I didnt get close to redline, perhaps 4500 or so but that is still high for me. I have plans for a regear but other priorities always seem to override my Jeep wants. Im ok with that...have fun with the family first, Jeep 2nd. I am taking my time with my build and yes, its a budget build. But I plan on keeping my rig for a long while and will replace things for more permanent quality products as things progress.

Even with my carrier, I'm not sure if I want a hinged carrier or a bumper mounted carrier yet, as I have not had the Jeep long enough to determine my needs. So in the meantime, I have a Smittybilt Oversized Tire Carrier that usually sells for $120. Works just fine, no rattle, vibrations, nada. In time I will decide on a more permanent solution based on me needs. For now...Im just dandy with what I have.
Is the stock wheel mount not conducive to larger tires?
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Is the stock wheel mount not conducive to larger tires?
The stock wheel mount is rated for 85 lbs I think. Which is pretty close to the weight of the stock rubi bfg and wheel. I took my spare off to avoid damaging my tailgate. It probably wont do anything for most DD's but I drive down some pretty rough roads to work everyday. I want to get either the maximus 3 or the crawler conceptz tire carrier.
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With a 33 you should be fine.

The carrier is rated at 85lbs and my setup with the 35 was only 90, but to fit a 35 on the stock carrier you need a spacer or mountain bracket to push it out over the bumper. I did this for a few weeks, including extended bump stops to stabilize the tire. However with the additonal leverage of the tire due to the spacer, the spare was causing some serious rattles all over the jeep. The smittybilt carrier hugs the spare at 4 points and holds it much closer to the tailgate so its been great so far. It cost a fraction of a full hinged carrier.
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With a 33 you should be fine.

The carrier is rated at 85lbs and my setup with the 35 was only 90, but to fit a 35 on the stock carrier you need a spacer or mountain bracket to push it out over the bumper. I did this for a few weeks, including extended bump stops to stabilize the tire. However with the additonal leverage of the tire due to the spacer, the spare was causing some serious rattles all over the jeep. The smittybilt carrier hugs the spare at 4 points and holds it much closer to the tailgate so its been great so far. It cost a fraction of a full hinged carrier.

How much rub can I expect with a 35" on a 2.5" lift? Is it only a concern during extreme cases and I'm flexed to the max?

I think I'm just going to settle on 35's and ride it out while I save for the regear.
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Another stupid newb question:

What's the difference between the BFG A/T 315x70R17's and the 35x12.5R17's?

I know they're both 35's but is one a "more true" 35? I'm a complete dunce...looking for help. Thanks.
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Another stupid newb question:

What's the difference between the BFG A/T 315x70R17's and the 35x12.5R17's?

I know they're both 35's but is one a "more true" 35? I'm a complete dunce...looking for help. Thanks.
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I have a 15 JK Unlimited Rubicon I just put BFG A/T 315\70\r17 and I love the tires. I thought I had 4.10 gears but I looked it up online and found out I have the 3.73. Its ok for now but I am definitely getting re-geared to 4.56. Like someone else said its ok for DD but I will definitely get mine done before I go off-road. not sure that helps but I thought it was on subject.
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The Shop that quoted me for wheels and tires said they don't deal with Rough Country but said he recommends the Rubicon Express 2.5" lift at $594. I know its a little more expensive but it is worth it? Thanks!
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I had an XJ and I installed a 4.5 Rubicon Express Super Flex kit and it was amazing the changes. For my JKUR I went with the 3.5 Rubicon Express Super Flex, I'm not gonna lie it was expensive but I stand by the RE kits they are the best in my humble opinion. For what its worth.....

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