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Old 09-18-2018, 08:19 AM   #2491
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Man that stinks! It's funny how people can have such different results of the same parts. I had all synergy components first and the steering always felt loose to me. Like there was always play in the steering box. I then build some heavy duty aluminum steering components with two ton joints and this was better but still never felt right to me. Super super durable but just a little busier than I thought I should be driving it. I went to a complete steer smarts set up with the tie rod, drag link with attenuator, and track bar. This really made a huge difference for me. Steering is very tight and I can legitimately let go of the steering wheel at 75 miles per hour and it holds a lane as good as my Dodge Ram does. It drives extremely well! I do have the PSC XD II steering box but I had that with the aluminum steering as well.

It just goes to prove the not everything works for every setup. Did you actually have a failure with the attenuator or were you just guessing at that point? If you did have a failure what was it? Maybe I should say how did it show itself?
Geeze I'm beginning to feel bad about hijacking Stevens thread. This is probably not the place to be discussing this so I'll try to keep it as short as I can, but there is a bit of a long story here.

Yup Steven had a great experience with it too, so in the beginning I couldn't wait to get it. Steven, Tak and I have almost identical suspension setups using 3.5 MC game changers and the Fox ATS SS and a little later going to Falcon shocks. At the same time I had the Yeti drag link installed, I did the Yeti tie rod, DynaTrac ball joints, and went from 2.5 to 3.5 by replacing the springs. That's when the wandering began. So there were a number of things to look at before pointing directly to the Yeti. I don't exactly remember but I believe that work was done around June or July of last year. I tried to get to the bottom of it by taking the Fox SS off, changed the settings, that didn't help much. I believe Tak suggested using a different SS but I think he may have taken off the attenuator. Not sure on that. Anyway there were others here during that time frame, with Yeti drag links that had this issue, again as you brought up, every build is different so you never know. I lived with the wandering until December when I had to get the Jeep road worthy for a longer trip. Being that I put a lot of miles on my truck it was reasonable to think that other front end components may be the problem. So I booked some time with my mechanic and we began sorting out the front end bit by bit. We did see some play in the dynatrac ball joints. Even though they had maybe 10K-13K by that point, we installed new ball joints. Yeah I know they are rebuildable but I was in a time crunch. While the front end was apart we welded on gussets, replaced the wheel hubs (front and rear) replaced front sway bar links, new brake pads front and rear and a Tom Woods front drive shaft. Put it all back together. Still wandered. The wandering didn't stop until we drilled the knuckles and put the synergy drag link on.

So that's my story. Again sorry to Steven and everyone else for the whine session!!

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Geeze I'm beginning to feel bad about hijacking Stevens thread. This is probably not the place to be discussing this so I'll try to keep it as short as I can, but there is a bit of a long story here.

Yup Steven had a great experience with it too, so in the beginning I couldn't wait to get it. Steven, Tak and I have almost identical suspension setups using 3.5 MC game changers and the Fox ATS SS and a little later going to Falcon shocks. At the same time I had the Yeti drag link installed, I did the Yeti tie rod, DynaTrac ball joints, and went from 2.5 to 3.5 by replacing the springs. That's when the wandering began. So there were a number of things to look at before pointing directly to the Yeti. I don't exactly remember but I believe that work was done around June or July of last year. I tried to get to the bottom of it by taking the Fox SS off, changed the settings, that didn't help much. I believe Tak suggested using a different SS but I think he may have taken off the attenuator. Not sure on that. Anyway there were others here during that time frame, with Yeti drag links that had this issue, again as you brought up, every build is different so you never know. I lived with the wandering until December when I had to get the Jeep road worthy for a longer trip. Being that I put a lot of miles on my truck it was reasonable to think that other front end components may be the problem. So I booked some time with my mechanic and we began sorting out the front end bit by bit. We did see some play in the dynatrac ball joints. Even though they had maybe 10K-13K by that point, we installed new ball joints. Yeah I know they are rebuildable but I was in a time crunch. While the front end was apart we welded on gussets, replaced the wheel hubs (front and rear) replaced front sway bar links, new brake pads front and rear and a Tom Woods front drive shaft. Put it all back together. Still wandered. The wandering didn't stop until we drilled the knuckles and put the synergy drag link on.

So that's my story. Again sorry to Steven and everyone else for the whine session!!
No hijack at all Billy! This is all about the exchange of information, hopefully it helps other Jeepers.

I'm openly wondering if you had a bad Griffin attenuator? Pure speculation on my part. I think you said you sold the drag link? So the parts never got back to Steer Smarts for inspection?



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Ho hijack at all Billy! This is all about the exchange of information, hopefully it helps other Jeepers.

I'm openly wondering if you had a bad Griffin attenuator? Pure speculation on my part. I think you said you sold the drag link? So the parts never got back to Steer Smarts for inspection?



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No, I gave it to a buddy of mine who was having problems with his. The drag link never got back to SteerSmarts as the conversation never got that far. Ron said he'd send a newly designed attenuator. That never happened. I messaged him back saying "hey do you have a sleeve that replaces the attenuator?" didn't here from him for weeks. Finally got back to me basically saying "wait for the attenuator" At that point I had to get it fixed. Looking back at this with 20/20 hindsight it appears replacing the attenuator with a sleeve would have solved my issue much quicker, easier and way cheaper. However I don't regret going though the front end and doing all that work.
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Geeze I'm beginning to feel bad about hijacking Stevens thread. This is probably not the place to be discussing this so I'll try to keep it as short as I can, but there is a bit of a long story here.

Yup Steven had a great experience with it too, so in the beginning I couldn't wait to get it. Steven, Tak and I have almost identical suspension setups using 3.5 MC game changers and the Fox ATS SS and a little later going to Falcon shocks. At the same time I had the Yeti drag link installed, I did the Yeti tie rod, DynaTrac ball joints, and went from 2.5 to 3.5 by replacing the springs. That's when the wandering began. So there were a number of things to look at before pointing directly to the Yeti. I don't exactly remember but I believe that work was done around June or July of last year. I tried to get to the bottom of it by taking the Fox SS off, changed the settings, that didn't help much. I believe Tak suggested using a different SS but I think he may have taken off the attenuator. Not sure on that. Anyway there were others here during that time frame, with Yeti drag links that had this issue, again as you brought up, every build is different so you never know. I lived with the wandering until December when I had to get the Jeep road worthy for a longer trip. Being that I put a lot of miles on my truck it was reasonable to think that other front end components may be the problem. So I booked some time with my mechanic and we began sorting out the front end bit by bit. We did see some play in the dynatrac ball joints. Even though they had maybe 10K-13K by that point, we installed new ball joints. Yeah I know they are rebuildable but I was in a time crunch. While the front end was apart we welded on gussets, replaced the wheel hubs (front and rear) replaced front sway bar links, new brake pads front and rear and a Tom Woods front drive shaft. Put it all back together. Still wandered. The wandering didn't stop until we drilled the knuckles and put the synergy drag link on.

So that's my story. Again sorry to Steven and everyone else for the whine session!!
Hi Billy! Yes, I did have the same problem and after switching out the ATS to the EMU, it only helped a little bit, but still had that wandering issue. Ron was a nice guy and sent me both new attentuanor and new sleeve. I installed the sleeve and my steering was much tighter and the wandering wasn't there anymore.
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Hi Billy! Yes, I did have the same problem and after switching out the ATS to the EMU, it only helped a little bit, but still had that wandering issue. Ron was a nice guy and sent me both new attentuanor and new sleeve. I installed the sleeve and my steering was much tighter and the wandering wasn't there anymore.
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Tak, did you install the new Griffin Ron sent you, or did you just go with the solid sleeve?

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No, I gave it to a buddy of mine who was having problems with his. The drag link never got back to SteerSmarts as the conversation never got that far. Ron said he'd send a newly designed attenuator. That never happened. I messaged him back saying "hey do you have a sleeve that replaces the attenuator?" didn't here from him for weeks. Finally got back to me basically saying "wait for the attenuator" At that point I had to get it fixed. Looking back at this with 20/20 hindsight it appears replacing the attenuator with a sleeve would have solved my issue much quicker, easier and way cheaper. However I don't regret going though the front end and doing all that work.
I'm just trying to understand why if you bought new from a manufacturer, why you wouldn't allow them to warranty/ fix it for you? Ron was always straight up with me, and a few others on here running their products. @TakHardRock and @AzScooter I know of.


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Glad you're getting somewhere with Steer Smarts. I remember you, Tak and myself talking about this last August. After installing a Yeti drag link with the attenuator the truck was drifting all over the place. Talked to Ron about it (before he retired) he said he'd send me a new attenuator but that never happened. Tried chasing him down a couple of times but no real response. By then it was December and I was driving to Florida for the holidays and couldn't have the truck wandering all over the road on a longer trip so I had to get the Yeti drag link out of there. I ended up having the knuckles drilled and installing a Synergy drag link that solved the steering issues. In the mean time a buddy of mine went through the same thing with his Yeti. He got in touch with SteerSmarts but unfortunately in the end he felt like he got the runaround too. I gave him my Yeti to see if he could salvage what was there to fix his issue but that didn't work either. Worst 650+ I've ever spent on my rig, actually it cost me a lot more than that considering I had to pay for the new drag link and to get the knuckles drilled.
I'd be happy to look into this for you. Ron hasn't been with the company since December of last year. He was always really good about making sure to follow through. Unfortunately, I don't know your name or the backstory, but I did see a response he made to your post in November of '17.

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I'm just trying to understand why if you bought new from a manufacturer, why you wouldn't allow them to warranty/ fix it for you? Ron was always straight up with me, and a few others on here running their products. @TakHardRock and @AzScooter I know of.


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1) I did contact them they didn't respond for months and when they did respond it was "wait some more" I waited for 3 months before I ran out of time and had to get it fixed. Had they just said at the outset let me send you this sleeve and if they wanted money for it I would have given it to them, we wouldn't be discussing this now.
2) like most folks i have a really busy life. Right or wrong I just don't have the time to chase folks around.
3) in all fairness to steersmarts, it was December before I could say with certainty it was their part. Any evidence I would have presented prior to December would have been anecdotal.

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Maybe I was lucky when I called Ron, he always picked up the phone and if not I left him a message and he would call me back a few minutes later. Only one time he didn't respond at all because he already retired lol.... A different guy from Steersmart was nice too. I forgot his name though, but when I called about the caps that go on at both ends of the tie rod and the draglink. He said, when I ordered it didn't come with the caps so he would send them to me for free.
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My experience with steersmarts wasn't very good either. Here goes:
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had an hd2600 high steer kit with my aev lift. One end was already loose, and my brother was trying to talk me into the griffin. I should have replaced the end and bought the regular griffin. Instead i talked to a nice guy at steersmarts( i think he since retired) and made the decision to spend the money and get the beefier yetixd draglink with the griffin XD. After putting it in we definitely noticed a difference. Road noise in the steering wheel was greatly reduced. that was last fall. This summer we started getting a big steering wobble, not quite death wobble( yes we have had that once with a ball joint issue) but pretty significant. like 4-6 inches of wobble on the steering wheel, very close to death wobble. We had a trip planned so i called steersmarts and determined we wouldn't be able to get a part before our trip. So i had to bite the bullet and spend 500$ at our local shop to put in a synergy draglink which requires a knuckle drill. Wobble was immediately gone. Trip went off fine except for crushing my credit card on the temporary draglink. so i talked to steersmarts and they said they have had problems with the gen1 griffin xd units and mine was one of the gen1 units. Great. How do you know if you have a gen1 or gen2? you don't. apparently they don't stamp or even label them so you could tell. they would have to look at it or go by you invoice date, though I'm guessing there is some overlap on that due to stock out at vendors. So they( Andrew and Justin) promised since I had to drill out my knuckle they would send a complimentary end for the drilled out knuckle. these are normally 179$. Then they change course after I talk to Jay Velthoven and suddenly I am only getting a discount on it. So I have to pay because my wife likes it and I have 600+ invested in it. Jay is one of those guys who will talk down other products and how great his product is. Comes off as a know it all. I'm sure he knows way more than I do, but as a customer I found his attitude off-putting. I wanted to say if his product is so great why am I'm sitting here paying for replacement parts for a failed unit? Bottom line is that I agree it is an awesome product. but obviously they don't have great quality control if they don't even label a gen 2 model, and their customer service skills are terrible. dealing with a company like teraflex or quadratec will really drive home the difference.

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save your parts. the hd2600 would have been fine. its possibly a better product since it uses a more standard end. Do you really want to pay 179$ for an end? If you off-road, they will eventually go bad i would think. And you can then use a regular grifffin. my brother has one and it works fine, even with 37s. And if you have to deal with steersmarts support, expect to be treated like you are stupid and that you are trying to get one over on them. And yes, I have emails to back up all my claims if anyone is interested, which I'm sure you aren't. And if you have a gen1 which is causing wobble? be prepared to pay. they don't even want to advertise they had an issue and are trying to minimize it. It dies sound like I'm not the first person they mentioned a redesign to But hopefully my story will help someone avoid an issue or deal with a current one. Certainly I'll have to order any more steersmarts parts through a third party after this! lol
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1) I did contact them they didn't respond for months and when they did respond it was "wait some more" I waited for 3 months before I ran out of time and had to get it fixed. Had they just said at the outset let me send you this sleeve and if they wanted money for it I would have given it to them, we wouldn't be discussing this now.
2) like most folks i have a really busy life. Right or wrong I just don't have the time to chase folks around.
3) in all fairness to steersmarts, it was December before I could say with certainty it was their part. Any evidence I would have presented prior to December would have been anecdotal.

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Maybe I was lucky when I called Ron, he always picked up the phone and if not I left him a message and he would call me back a few minutes later. Only one time he didn't respond at all because he already retired lol.... A different guy from Steersmart was nice too. I forgot his name though, but when I called about the caps that go on at both ends of the tie rod and the draglink. He said, when I ordered it didn't come with the caps so he would send them to me for free.
This has always been my interaction with Steer Smarts. Thanks Tak for your input!


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My experience with steersmarts wasn't very good either. Here goes:
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had an hd2600 high steer kit with my aev lift. One end was already loose, and my brother was trying to talk me into the griffin. I should have replaced the end and bought the regular griffin. Instead i talked to a nice guy at steersmarts( i think he since retired) and made the decision to spend the money and get the beefier yetixd draglink with the griffin XD. After putting it in we definitely noticed a difference. Road noise in the steering wheel was greatly reduced. that was last fall. This summer we started getting a big steering wobble, not quite death wobble( yes we have had that once with a ball joint issue) but pretty significant. like 4-6 inches of wobble on the steering wheel, very close to death wobble. We had a trip planned so i called steersmarts and determined we wouldn't be able to get a part before our trip. So i had to bite the bullet and spend 500$ at our local shop to put in a synergy draglink which requires a knuckle drill. Wobble was immediately gone. Trip went off fine except for crushing my credit card on the temporary draglink. so i talked to steersmarts and they said they have had problems with the gen1 griffin xd units and mine was one of the gen1 units. Great. How do you know if you have a gen1 or gen2? you don't. apparently they don't stamp or even label them so you could tell. they would have to look at it or go by you invoice date, though I'm guessing there is some overlap on that due to stock out at vendors. So they( Andrew and Justin) promised since I had to drill out my knuckle they would send a complimentary end for the drilled out knuckle. these are normally 179$. Then they change course after I talk to Jay Velthoven and suddenly I am only getting a discount on it. So I have to pay because my wife likes it and I have 600+ invested in it. Jay is one of those guys who will talk down other products and how great his product is. Comes off as a know it all. I'm sure he knows way more than I do, but as a customer I found his attitude off-putting. I wanted to say if his product is so great why am I'm sitting here paying for replacement parts for a failed unit? Bottom line is that I agree it is an awesome product. but obviously they don't have great quality control if they don't even label a gen 2 model, and their customer service skills are terrible. dealing with a company like teraflex or quadratec will really drive home the difference.

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Wow Pyschodad, first post and you wrote a novel.

Obviously there were some defective Griffin's that went out. Mine's been great, and I've wheeled it pretty hard. Appreciate you coming to the table buddy


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Looking forward to your thoughts. I run no stabilizer with my Yeti DL/TR and no attenuator and have been looking at their new SS.
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Looking forward to your thoughts. I run no stabilizer with my Yeti DL/TR and no attenuator and have been looking at their new SS.
I'm hoping I can get this installed soon, the past couple of days have been real busy for me.

What I want to do is re-install my Fox ATS, run it soft to firm, then install the Steer Smarts stabilizer and repeat the same roads, so I can get a real good gauge of the differences. I've driven the Jeep for about week and a half now with no stabilizer, and generally like the way it feels.


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Wow Pyschodad, first post and you wrote a novel.

Obviously there were some defective Griffin's that went out. Mine's been great, and I've wheeled it pretty hard. Appreciate you coming to the table buddy


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It sure did my friend!


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You know, stuff happens. I understand sometimes some bad units go out. And it's a good product. One of the things that sold me was they put the smaller Griffin's ( or something similar) in f150s and other trucks. It's a good product. My main problem is the customer service. I don't have time to go back and forth to get an RMA done or be talked down to and outright lied to. I didn't even put some of the laughable stuff in there, but I have all the emails. It doesn't cost them that much to take care of issues if as they say they never fail normally. But they didn't take care of me or Billy and that's two people at one small shop who got the same run around. You may have gotten good service previously, but the old guy (Ron?) Isn't there any more. So I wonder if they really stand behind their products anymore and how many others are having issues that aren't on this board. Certainly they haven't taken care of Billy, and they didn't take care of me fairly either. Good products are only part of the equation.
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Good products are only part of the equation.

Agreed, failures are bound to happen. What distinguishes a mediocre company from a great company is how they handle the bad situations, not the good ones. Over the years, I have walked away from many companies, not because I didnít believe they made good products, but because I have a packed life and will not waste my bandwidth on BS.
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OK folks enough of this I apologize to everyone for derailing one of the better threads on this site, and one I have benefited and learned from in many, many ways. This particular steersmarts conversation really should have been its own thread in another section of the forum. For those of you following along, steersmarts did post an offer to help, though now for some reason I can't seem to find that post, I took them up on the offer and did contact them we'll see how things turn out, but not on this thread! Steven again I apologize.
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I'm starting a new thread under the steersmarts forum. Let's see how they respond to the issues. If you are interested follow it there.

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OK folks enough of this I apologize to everyone for derailing one of the better threads on this site, and one I have benefited and learned from in many, many ways. This particular steersmarts conversation really should have been its own thread in another section of the forum. For those of you following along, steersmarts did post an offer to help, though now for some reason I can't seem to find that post, I took them up on the offer and did contact them we'll see how things turn out, but not on this thread! Steven again I apologize.
Thanks Billy, really appreciate your compliments regarding the thread

I'm hoping you get a satisfactory resolution from Steer Smarts. Looking forward to hearing from them, and hope their post comes back up. Keep in touch.


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.......And now back to our regularly scheduled programming.......

I do have some time today, so I will be trying out the various SS set-ups for comparison, stay tuned Amigos.


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Steering Stabilizer Comparison

All right gang, I had a few hours today to compare my Yeti steering set-up with two steering stabilizers, the Fox ATS, and the new Steer Smarts HD-N.





This came about after having a discussion with Andy at Steer Smarts about running my Fox ATS with the Steer Smarts Griffin Attenuator. They have found that the ATS, when run on the firmer settings, can cause a pre-load situation in the attenuator. This can result in vague steering feel/feedback, or even a "darty" feeling.

I was running my ATS at the firmer setting, wanting to provide a firmer steering feel. I didn't consider my steering to be vague or darty, but if I could improve upon it, I'm in! I will say that the addition of the Yeti Steering Linkage was a huge improvement over the stock set-up. The steering was tighter, more responsive, and the Griffin removed a lot of the harness that I was seeing with the addition 35" and then 37" tires.

Here's the specs on what I run on my Jeep, which may/will be different than other set-ups, and possible yield different results. Please factor that into your decision making.

- Yeti Top Mount Drag Link w/Griffin XD Attenuator
- Yeti XD Tie Rod
- TeraFlex Tera 44R Front Axle, Geometry Corrected for 4-6" lift
- PSC Big Bore XD Steering Box
- PSC Upgraded supply side hose(No Teflon Lining)
- 37" M/T Tires

The Testing:

I used the same route for each test drive. That included various smooth to rough city streets as well as 70mph freeway driving.

1) The first part of this test involved removing the Fox ATS, and driving without a steering stabilizer (SS). This gave me a baseline feel for my Yeti linkages.

Results:
- Freer feeling at the wheel
- Steering felt lighter, and would return to center after a turn
- More feedback was definitely making it's way through to the steering wheel.


2) Re-installed the ATS, and dialed it down to the softest setting.



Results:
- Tighter steering feel
- The Jeep won't completely self center after a turn
- Feels locked down in a way that has taken some of the directness out of the steer feel


3) Installed the new HD-N from Steer Smarts. I was able to get it to line up perfectly with my tie rod. *As of note the Fox ATS was slightly off, requiring me to pull it over to mate it up to the tie rod* Torqued it all down and off I went.



Results:
- Pleasantly firm wheel, but easier to turn than with the ATS
- Very controlled/planted. You can steer it with one finger.
- Jeep self centers after a turn
- Bumpsteer, harshness over bumps, pot holes is dampened way back. Is this a Jeep?
- Feels completely dialed in!


This was a real eye opener! To say I'm surprised is an understatement. Going into this I was thinking there was no way what looks like garden variety SS would work so well, especially against my fully adjustable $400+ Fox ATS. I'm thinking I might have had a little bind with the ATS. Remember I couldn't ever get t to line up/mate perfectly to the tie rod.

Credit this to Steer Smarts matching parts, and component characteristics...similar to a suspension company matching spring rates and shock dampening to get a desired ride/performance. This is what I will run on Rubi. The HD-N got my steering set-up completely dialed in...it feels great! Looking forward to beating on it in Moab and Ouray very soon.

Is it worth it for you to throw out your current SS and get the HD-N? That's going to be up to you, and based on what components you are running. At $66, it's not a lot to pay for a component that's perfectly matched to your Yeti/Griffin linkage, and will work with, not against it.

I can say, that Andy was telling me correctly when he said the ATS was interfering with the Yeti parts. Hats off to Andy and the boys at Steer Smarts, they know steering!



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Is it worth it for you to throw out your current SS and get the HD-N? That's going to be up to you, and based on what components you are running. At $66, it's not a lot to pay for a component that's perfectly matched to your Yeti/Griffin linkage, and will work with, not against it.

I can say, that Andy was telling me correctly when he said the ATS was interfering with the Yeti parts. Hat's off to Andy and the boys at Steer Smarts, they know steering!



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Looks like there maybe a few Fox ATSs available on the used parts forum!

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