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Old 05-26-2019, 11:12 AM   #601
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I think Iíve decided to swap out my 2.1 Falcons for MC RockSports. They might be too long for my setup, but Iím going to try them. I want to see if they are any softer than the 2.1ís. For $276 with free shipping, they are worth the experiment. Iím also going to add the Griffin XD to my Yeti drag link. After trying it without the Griffin, I think they do make a difference or at least from what I remember. Iím going to keep the regular one just in case the Griffin fails for any reason I can always fix even on the trail.
Be interested in the griffin feedback. I have stock steering stuff, only having 2.5 MC springs and 34/11.6 trail grapplers.

Rides pretty smooth most of time, since I got falcon 2.2 stabilizer, but couriois on what you think and what differences it makes with and without it.

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Iím not sure if the Griffin makes much of a difference since itís been over a year since I drove with it. Itís only a $255 upgrade so I thought I would see. If your OME shocks werenít yellow I might be interested.
Not sure but when looked at old man emu shocks couple yrs ago, they had the, in black from some places.

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Just ordered the MC RockSports. I also got their adjustable bump stops since I only have the ones from my AEV spacer lift. I plan on seeing if I like the change in the ride. If I do I will either keep the Mopar springs or maybe even jump up to the MC 3.5" springs with all 8 CA's on the next free shipping sale.

I will hold off on the Griffin XD until I get the rest of the suspension dialed in. Another reason Iím holding off is because if I went with 3.5Ē springs I would need to swap out the drag link to be flipped.
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Just ordered the MC RockSports. I also got their adjustable bump stops since I only have the ones from my AEV spacer lift. I plan on seeing if I like the change in the ride. If I do I will either keep the Mopar springs or maybe even jump up to the MC 3.5" springs with all 8 CA's on the next free shipping sale.

I will hold off on the Griffin XD until I get the rest of the suspension dialed in. Another reason I’m holding off is because if I went with 3.5” springs I would need to swap out the drag link to be flipped.
Nice.

So you think for the 2 door 8 arms isint really different.

Let me know diff on adjustable bumpstops, I prob should get those for my back shocks shaft length. And a new tape measure before people bash.

What do you think about those joince they have, that are diff material. A waste. Rather have controllable bumpstop heights.
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Nice.



So you think for the 2 door 8 arms isint really different.



Let me know diff on adjustable bumpstops, I prob should get those for my back shocks shaft length. And a new tape measure before people bash.

I thought the Alpines would make it ride better than what I had on which was JKS J-Spec lift. The TF springs lost me 1Ē in height. The Falcons were way firmer than the Fox. The Alpines rode worse on the road than geo brackets. The best lift Iíve ever ran was the Metalcloak. I will probably end up with the Game Changer by the end of this. Things I wonít replace with MC parts are the SteerSmarts front track bar or probably the Superlift rear track bar. Now as far as CAís go usually they wonít improve your ride over geo brackets. I donít know if the MC arms are better than the Alpines, but I do know they played a role in how well my Yellow Rubicon rode before I traded it for a Grand Cherokee. Geez.

In an ideal world I would have bought all Metalcloak from the beginning, but I would have never known I could do all this stuff myself. It took a disaster install of my AEV spacers to make me realize I can do this myself.
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Be interested in the griffin feedback. I have stock steering stuff, only having 2.5 MC springs and 34/11.6 trail grapplers.

Rides pretty smooth most of time, since I got falcon 2.2 stabilizer, but couriois on what you think and what differences it makes with and without it.
I also run the Falcon 2.2 stabilizer and it is probably the best mod I've made. I run mine in the firm setting.

One note though with respect to using the Griffin with adjustable through the shaft (ATS) style steering stabilizers like the Falcon or Fox ATS. I seem to recall some members found that running the Griffin together with ATS design stabilizers does not work well, whereas there are no issues with running the Griffin with a stock setup or other steering stabilizer designs. I will see if I can find the thread...
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I also run the Falcon 2.2 stabilizer and it is probably the best mod I've made. I run mine in the firm setting.

One note though with respect to using the Griffin with adjustable through the shaft (ATS) style steering stabilizers like the Falcon or Fox ATS. I seem to recall some members found that running the Griffin together with ATS design stabilizers does not work well, whereas there are no issues with running the Griffin with a stock setup or other steering stabilizer designs. I will see if I can find the thread...

Iíve heard that as well. I currently run mine with a SteerSmarts stabilizer which is basically like a stock one.
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I thought the Alpines would make it ride better than what I had on which was JKS J-Spec lift. The TF springs lost me 1Ē in height. The Falcons were way firmer than the Fox. The Alpines rode worse on the road than geo brackets. The best lift Iíve ever ran was the Metalcloak. I will probably end up with the Game Changer by the end of this. Things I wonít replace with MC parts are the SteerSmarts front track bar or probably the Superlift rear track bar. Now as far as CAís go usually they wonít improve your ride over geo brackets. I donít know if the MC arms are better than the Alpines, but I do know they played a role in how well my Yellow Rubicon rode before I traded it for a Grand Cherokee. Geez.

In an ideal world I would have bought all Metalcloak from the beginning, but I would have never known I could do all this stuff myself. It took a disaster install of my AEV spacers to make me realize I can do this myself.
Good that I choose wisely from the atart with MC springs track bars and front lowers.

I havenít tried geo brackets, because of looks, so I would be coming from stock and front lowers only to 8 arms, in terms of riding better or not for whee my Jeep is at, for arms.

I would rather not get into steering stuff, only have 34.1/11.6 trail grapplers on stock steering except nexus 2.2, so I would get yeti bracket and track bar instead of the rusty MC track bar. The back TB and front lowers have kept there color.

I not a fan of the gold and will spray paint/frame paint/engine paint black the front lowers, canít see back TB. So thereís no rust and everything basically black.
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I also run the Falcon 2.2 stabilizer and it is probably the best mod I've made. I run mine in the firm setting.

One note though with respect to using the Griffin with adjustable through the shaft (ATS) style steering stabilizers like the Falcon or Fox ATS. I seem to recall some members found that running the Griffin together with ATS design stabilizers does not work well, whereas there are no issues with running the Griffin with a stock setup or other steering stabilizer designs. I will see if I can find the thread...
I had it on soft for first yr. Then this spring went to firmoffroad and it steered like a dream. I did a 180 with a few inches to move between trees, at a gate/4 wheelers drove around and over private sign, I could have but said Nah. With stabilizer on firm and in 4 wheel drive, it turn so smooth.

When I got back to town for airline I had to put it to medium because the turn on to the Main Street that has station was on, I felt like I was co ing around with airplane, the steering stayed and my body moved but the steering wheel didnít. It was that firm.

Didnít even notice I forgot to set it back to soft before I left paint body shop for estimate and then when I was almost to gas station when I came arounfpd the only 90 degree turn, it did that. So I had to go with medium, got used to remembering, mate I got to finish my turn with steering wheel, but man does it drive nice when driving.
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I also run the Falcon 2.2 stabilizer and it is probably the best mod I've made. I run mine in the firm setting.

One note though with respect to using the Griffin with adjustable through the shaft (ATS) style steering stabilizers like the Falcon or Fox ATS. I seem to recall some members found that running the Griffin together with ATS design stabilizers does not work well, whereas there are no issues with running the Griffin with a stock setup or other steering stabilizer designs. I will see if I can find the thread...
Interesting.

I just might have to try the firm with my true 34s and try to remember I need to finish the turn like Truex Jr.

Because it could drive sweet everywhere but 90 turns in town. Try to get used to it for the better good. Not ever planning on larger then true 34s, because of width of tires.

This is main reason I want adjustable res shocks, I love the option a difference it makes.
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I’ve heard that as well. I currently run mine with a SteerSmarts stabilizer which is basically like a stock one.
I like OME and ARB stuff just because.

So I started with the ome stabilizer and didn’t notice any diff, alomost felt worse. I thought did these guys put it on right, wtf.

So when I saw the adjustable falcon nexus, wasn’t sure and thought about it and said f it I want adjustable.

One of the best choices I have ever made. Because of that even if I donot need it or makes big difference I have to get adjustable res.

Yea man I know you said you’ve tried lots of stuff but if you haven’t tried a pass through stabilizer I would get one of these. It was way better, to me, then the normal stabilizer/stock or ome.
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Got a really fair price for paint the top after the other place/best in area had it for 600 more.

1425 and I got it for 830 and a free painting of the tf spare tire holder. Yeah baby!
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With stabilizer on firm and in 4 wheel drive, it turn so smooth.

When I got back to town for airline I had to put it to medium because the turn on to the Main Street that has station was on, I felt like I was co ing around with airplane, the steering stayed and my body moved but the steering wheel didn’t. It was that firm.
Yes, in the firm setting, 3 point turns require a fair bit of effort (especially with my heavy 37 x 13.5 MT's), but the trade off for me when driving is worth it as it significantly smooths out everything on the pot holed city streets when driving to work, and provides the "riding on rails" feeling on the highway.

Many people are underwhelmed by aftermarket steering stabilizers as they report they cannot feel or notice any difference, but this Falcon design is not the same. It is a game changer.
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How are you ha doing the drilled out mounting location in the rear when replacing your Falcons? Is there a special bolt you are using to take up that space? I want to replace mine due to the rough ride and that’s the only thing stopping me.
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How are you ha doing the drilled out mounting location in the rear when replacing your Falcons? Is there a special bolt you are using to take up that space? I want to replace mine due to the rough ride and thatís the only thing stopping me.

Iím just going to run stock bolt and a bigger washer. Someone is already doing the same and no issues. Itís not that much bigger than the stock hole anyway. Iím giving the RockSports a try for the same reason. I would like a softer ride i think. Maybe once i try something else I will see how great the Falcons are.
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Just received my Go Treads. I didnít want to spend the money on the MaxTrax or find a way to carry them. I just wanted something for those times my Recon canít get out which is pretty rare. I really like how small these fold up and they fit perfectly in the Blue Ridge Overland Gear bag. Fits snugly on my MPS rear shelf which has been a great mod to the Jeep.





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I got my RockSports and adjustable front/rear bumpstops. I want to see how well the RockSports perform compared to the Falcons. I will need more bumpstop in the rear for sure. If I love the setup this is all I will do. If I think it needs more then the next step will be 3.5Ē Metalcloak springs.

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Went ahead and installed my rear RockSports by myself. Also put my rear sway bar back on. With the Falcons, my Hellwig sway bar was terribly stiff. I ran without a rear sway for 3 months and i never noticed. I donít think the bigger hole that I drilled for the Falcons will make much difference. I will keep an eye on it. Iím going to install the fronts tomorrow. I also need to add the rear bump stops. I also like the extra red under the Jeep. Havenít driven far, but I can tell when I push down on the front compared to the rear that the RockSports are softer.

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Decided to add some Daystar hood latches. I donít have much flutter but there is some occasionally. I usually just use zip ties, but after helping a friend install her Daystarís I decided to give them a chance. I take passenger side off the fender with no problem, but then taking the rubber piece off with some less than new channel locks didnít work. Then I decided to drill them out which butchered them. Luckily I found some good pliers in a box this morning. I ordered some Rugged Ridge latches just in case. I gave it one more shot this morning with the correct pliers and I was able to grab just enough to pop it off. Was able to get second side on easily with lessons learned. I literally can screw up the easiest projects. I think i will just return the RR latches because I can think of better places to out that money.

So it went from about 1/4Ēgap down to 1/8Ē. These things are extremely tight. I could hear the metal fatiguing when I latches them. I know there is zero chance of hood flutter now.

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Hey Buddy I still have those 2.5 MC springs and EMU shocks from a game changer sitting in my garage There yours if you want them. We'd just have to figure out shipping from DC to Dallas
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Decided to add some Daystar hood latches. I donít have much flutter but there is some occasionally. I usually just use zip ties, but after helping a friend install her Daystarís I decided to give them a chance. I take passenger side off the fender with no problem, but then taking the rubber piece off with some less than new channel locks didnít work. Then I decided to drill them out which butchered them. Luckily I found some good pliers in a box this morning. I ordered some Rugged Ridge latches just in case. I gave it one more shot this morning with the correct pliers and I was able to grab just enough to pop it off. Was able to get second side on easily with lessons learned. I literally can screw up the easiest projects. I think i will just return the RR latches because I can think of better places to out that money.

So it went from about 1/4Ēgap down to 1/8Ē. These things are extremely tight. I could hear the metal fatiguing when I latches them. I know there is zero chance of hood flutter now.


I did same thing couple yrs ago, got those dynastar rubbers. When I had someone help install them, they grabbed the package they came in and ordered a set for their Jeep, when they saw how tight they were. They were like what brand is that.

I didnít have flutter, maybe once twice, got them anyways after reading people stock rubbers would eventually wear and stretch so for 10-20 bucks just jumped on it.

Good thing to have and looks so much more classic with these jk latches then the crap look of the jl latches. I like classic look not like itís going to mars look.
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Whatís your impressions on these shocks.

I am going to wait to get the res adjustables until I have money and Ned shocks, got more usage from the 2.1 falcons. Plus I need some other things, I just got spare tire and wheel alignment road force balance machine, body color top, spare tire holder. Things I didnít have.
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I am going to wait to get the res adjustables until I have money and Ned shocks, got more usage from the 2.1 falcons. Plus I need some other things, I just got spare tire and wheel alignment road force balance machine, body color top, spare tire holder. Things I didnít have.

So far I like the RockSports. They are slightly softer than the Falcons. Iím about to swap out the Mopar 2Ē springs probably for the 2.5Ē Metalcloak spring since they are having 10% off and free shipping. I might even go up to 3.5Ē. Then I will probably grab a set of all 8 MC arms around 4th of July.
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OK so I went ahead and decided to go full steam ahead. I'm going to replace my suspension with the MC Game Changer with Rocksports. I decided to jump up to a 3.5" lift which I've never done, but have always thought the stance of the 3.5" looks better than the 2-2.5". On my yellow Rubicon I was pretty happy with how that suspension performed on and off road. Another reason I decided to make the change is I'm tired of doing all these jobs trying out new parts. It was fun and I learned a lot, but I want to take advantage of a suspension system that is complete and done. The only things I won't be installing are the track bars. I currently have the Superlift in the rear and the SteerSmarts in the front. No need to swap out those parts. MC says no need for a hi steer, but I'm prepared to do one if needed. I will also set aside some money for a new driveshaft if needed. I have no immediate plans for bigger tires unless my 315 KO2's look stupid. Should be here next week and installed next Friday hopefully.
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OK so I went ahead and decided to go full steam ahead. I'm going to replace my suspension with the MC Game Changer with Rocksports. I decided to jump up to a 3.5" lift which I've never done, but have always thought the stance of the 3.5" looks better than the 2-2.5". On my yellow Rubicon I was pretty happy with how that suspension performed on and off road. Another reason I decided to make the change is I'm tired of doing all these jobs trying out new parts. It was fun and I learned a lot, but I want to take advantage of a suspension system that is complete and done. The only things I won't be installing are the track bars. I currently have the Superlift in the rear and the SteerSmarts in the front. No need to swap out those parts. MC says no need for a hi steer, but I'm prepared to do one if needed. I will also set aside some money for a new driveshaft if needed. I have no immediate plans for bigger tires unless my 315 KO2's look stupid. Should be here next week and installed next Friday hopefully.
You seem to be a detailed oriented guy based on your builds. So I'm guessing the slightly disproportionate look of the 315s will not sit well.

I'll be the first to recommend a set of Cooper STT Pros (Surprisingly smooth for a MT).

I'm running a RK/Teraflex combo lift and will be changing to either MC or going EVO Coilover. The MC lift is tempting for a lot of reasons but the ride quality is probably the most convincing reason. Driving my friends rig that had me sold on it right away.
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You seem to be a detailed oriented guy based on your builds. So I'm guessing the slightly disproportionate look of the 315s will not sit well.



I'll be the first to recommend a set of Cooper STT Pros (Surprisingly smooth for a MT).



I'm running a RK/Teraflex combo lift and will be changing to either MC or going EVO Coilover. The MC lift is tempting for a lot of reasons but the ride quality is probably the most convincing reason. Driving my friends rig that had me sold on it right away.

Iím hoping I can hold out for awhile on the tires even though I think they look small now. I love the look of the Coopers.
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You seem to be a detailed oriented guy based on your builds. So I'm guessing the slightly disproportionate look of the 315s will not sit well.
I give them a week, tops.
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I give them a week, tops.

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Keep the road noise you love and que up a set of 37" BFG KO2s. Then your only variable will be suspension for the ride you are looking for.
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Keep the road noise you love and que up a set of 37" BFG KO2s. Then your only variable will be suspension for the ride you are looking for.

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