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Old 07-05-2019, 05:10 PM   #691
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After getting it aligned it tracks a little better and handles bumps slightly better. I still ordered the drag link flip even though I think itís fine without it. Iíve never run one so Iím interested to see what all the hype is about.
To others point, I think any geometry correction you can do is a win. I run a 3.5" lift, and the Yeti flip made a massive difference for me. I'm sure you're going to like it.

However, I'm not sold on the Griffin. Not that it's a lousy product, It's just useless offroad in most applications. And, after I installed the flipped drag link I liked the feel so much I didn't want to mess with it.

Regarding the Adams Drive Shaft, I have mixed feelings. I purchased both front and rear 1310s and ended up getting pretty bad vibrations (with both). I wish I would have gone to a local shop to have them built. There are a lot of custom driveshaft shops out there that will build to spec for the same money using the same Dana Spicer components. I'm now having a local shop rebalance and add some length.

I had to ship the rear back to Adams for them to replace.

The new lift looks great on the Jeep btw!

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To others point, I think any geometry correction you can do is a win. I run a 3.5" lift, and the Yeti flip made a massive difference for me. I'm sure you're going to like it.

However, I'm not sold on the Griffin. Not that it's a lousy product, It's just useless offroad in most applications. And, after I installed the flipped drag link I liked the feel so much I didn't want to mess with it.

Regarding the Adams Drive Shaft, I have mixed feelings. I purchased both front and rear 1310s and ended up getting pretty bad vibrations (with both). I wish I would have gone to a local shop to have them built. There are a lot of custom driveshaft shops out there that will build to spec for the same money using the same Dana Spicer components. I'm now having a local shop rebalance and add some length.

I had to ship the rear back to Adams for them to replace.

The new lift looks great on the Jeep btw!
I had the Griffin on my 2 door and it does make a difference on the road. I could tell when I didn't have one on my Recon. Not sure how much difference it makes off road, but I'm off road less than 5% of the time and actually probably way less than that. I have to drive a distance to get anywhere and I just like easier doing trails like in Colorado or the easy trails of Moab. I'm ready to try the flip only because its one the few things I've never done to a JK. 3.5" MC looks perfect to me although I'm surprised I only got 3.75" of lift, but I'm glad thats all I got. Much higher makes it real hard for my dog even though he is young and can jump.
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Just ordered a SteerSmarts Yeti top mount no drill drag link with Griffin and track bar bracket. So if anyone is paying attention I have a few months old Yeti bottom mount for sale.
How much for the bottom mount setup?
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To others point, I think any geometry correction you can do is a win. I run a 3.5" lift, and the Yeti flip made a massive difference for me. I'm sure you're going to like it.

However, I'm not sold on the Griffin. Not that it's a lousy product, It's just useless offroad in most applications. And, after I installed the flipped drag link I liked the feel so much I didn't want to mess with it.

Regarding the Adams Drive Shaft, I have mixed feelings. I purchased both front and rear 1310s and ended up getting pretty bad vibrations (with both). I wish I would have gone to a local shop to have them built. There are a lot of custom driveshaft shops out there that will build to spec for the same money using the same Dana Spicer components. I'm now having a local shop rebalance and add some length.

I had to ship the rear back to Adams for them to replace.

The new lift looks great on the Jeep btw!

You guys think having a 2.5 MC springs with 1 inch spacer in front, so a 3.5/2.5 lift per say. Think that I would benefit from the flip drag link.

Or that itís not difference unless 3.5 front springs, not the 2.5 + 1, 3.5 I have.
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I had the Griffin on my 2 door and it does make a difference on the road. I could tell when I didn't have one on my Recon. Not sure how much difference it makes off road, but I'm off road less than 5% of the time and actually probably way less than that. I have to drive a distance to get anywhere and I just like easier doing trails like in Colorado or the easy trails of Moab. I'm ready to try the flip only because its one the few things I've never done to a JK. 3.5" MC looks perfect to me although I'm surprised I only got 3.75" of lift, but I'm glad thats all I got. Much higher makes it real hard for my dog even though he is young and can jump.
Just looking ahead for when I get yeti steering.

I have to research to see if the griffin works with the nexus stabilizer.

If it’s not good together I ok with normal yeti steering links and the nexus.

You ain’t kidding about the dog stuff. My dog looks like a trying to get in.
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How much for the bottom mount setup?
Can't even imagine how much shipping would be.
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Installing this tomorrow. Top mount Yeti no drill with Griffin and track bar bracket.

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Installing this tomorrow. Top mount Yeti no drill with Griffin and track bar bracket.

Nice! Pay close attention to getting the torque specs correct. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it.


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Woke up this morning to a dead battery. No signals to it dying. Called Jeep dealership and they said I have roadside assistance through Jeep. I said WTF. So i called Jeep and 45 minutes later they jumped my Jeep and it started on first crank. I drove it around for an hour and it started every time after that.

I went to 4WP looking for an Optima and they recommended Odyssey. Since I’ve heard of both I went with what they had in stock which was the Odyssey performance series.

Now when I went to change them I notice the positive terminal might have been slightly not seated all the way. It was tight though. Unfortunately I would feel like she is a woman who cheated on me. Yeah I can still have sex with her, but I can’t trust her.

Too much money for a battery at almost $300, but hopefully she will last a long time. Wonder if i should have gone with the Extreme??

Replaced mine at 3 years since I heard way too many stories about the battery dying right around that time. Went with the extreme since I've got winch, under-hood compressor, lights, etc, but I'm all about overkill.
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Replaced mine at 3 years since I heard way too many stories about the battery dying right around that time. Went with the extreme since I've got winch, under-hood compressor, lights, etc, but I'm all about overkill.

I should have gone with the Extreme, but I can already tell the Performance battery cranks better than the stock one and Iím only running a winch. Also in the time it took me to install the new battery I guess some of my settings reset and now my Jeep seems to shift better.
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Installed my Yeti no drill top mount drag link with Griffin. Had a few hiccups like always. Sorry for the quality of the pic. I had just greased them.

Initial thoughts. Does it drive night and day different? No. Do I notice the change? Not really on road. Maybe off road it will shine. Itís nice to know that the angles are better and probably less stress on the steering components. Outside of probably getting a new driveshaft, Iím done with major purchases for awhile.

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Installed my Yeti no drill top mount drag link with Griffin. Had a few hiccups like always. Sorry for the quality of the pic. I had just greased them.

Initial thoughts. Does it drive night and day different? No. Do I notice the change? Not really on road. Maybe off road it will shine. Itís nice to know that the angles are better and probably less stress on the steering components. Outside of probably getting a new driveshaft, Iím done with major purchases for awhile.

on road there will be no real difference simply because you don't have bump steer on the road very often but get on a rough dirt road at speed and that is where you will notice it.
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I should have gone with the Extreme, but I can already tell the Performance battery cranks better than the stock one and Iím only running a winch. Also in the time it took me to install the new battery I guess some of my settings reset and now my Jeep seems to shift better.
You talking about the flashcal thing, that you update tire size.

When I did that it makes a difference in shift points.
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Installed my Yeti no drill top mount drag link with Griffin. Had a few hiccups like always. Sorry for the quality of the pic. I had just greased them.

Initial thoughts. Does it drive night and day different? No. Do I notice the change? Not really on road. Maybe off road it will shine. Itís nice to know that the angles are better and probably less stress on the steering components. Outside of probably getting a new driveshaft, Iím done with major purchases for awhile.

Your a pioneer for trying as much stuff as you have. The best way to know, to try it and to get expert advice from the guys here. Thatís how I do it, even if I ask too much sometimes, I just want to get it right. Looks good and nice to know you can Baja off-road like he said. Thatís how I feel about falcons, the faster you go they are sweet shocks.
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Your a pioneer for trying as much stuff as you have. The best way to know, to try it and to get expert advice from the guys here. Thatís how I do it, even if I ask too much sometimes, I just want to get it right. Looks good and nice to know you can Baja off-road like he said. Thatís how I feel about falcons, the faster you go they are sweet shocks.

I doubt I can Baja with it, but at least i know there should be less stress on steering components. I will get to test everything in Colorado in a couple weeks. Now Iíve done most of the things I can think of. Only things left would be a boring driveshaft, re-gear and a Hemi swap. Two out of the three are probably needed.
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I doubt I can Baja with it, but at least i know there should be less stress on steering components. I will get to test everything in Colorado in a couple weeks. Now Iíve done most of the things I can think of. Only things left would be a boring driveshaft, re-gear and a Hemi swap. Two out of the three are probably needed.
I really didnít want to get into things like that that why I started with 2.5 tf spacer kit and then got springs when I knew more about things, 2.5 Mc springs.

I just had the top off to get painted and they did a good job, but no one can perfectly match color of Jeep, of any color, because of being different materials, Jeep top fenders. So when I had top off, holy gnarly did the Jeep have some fukking muscle.

So that makes me wonder how do I get that performance with top and maybe winch and some weight. I like lightweight and have 2 door. I already have 4.1 stock gears. Would 4.88 gears give me that, what I felt when I had top off back seat out and no front bumper, for power performance and take off and put into another gear this Jeep didnít have before, like I did those days top was getting painted.

I didnít realize at first but now know at some point and I ll do an educated normal usual length based on other peopleís Jeep, to get that front drive shaft, only because your going to need one eventually anyways.

The gears though I am not sure, but I really liked the way it performed without as much weight.
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I really didnít want to get into things like that that why I started with 2.5 tf spacer kit and then got springs when I knew more about things, 2.5 Mc springs.



I just had the top off to get painted and they did a good job, but no one can perfectly match color of Jeep, of any color, because of being different materials, Jeep top fenders. So when I had top off, holy gnarly did the Jeep have some fukking muscle.



So that makes me wonder how do I get that performance with top and maybe winch and some weight. I like lightweight and have 2 door. I already have 4.1 stock gears. Would 4.88 gears give me that, what I felt when I had top off back seat out and no front bumper, for power performance and take off and put into another gear this Jeep didnít have before, like I did those days top was getting painted.



I didnít realize at first but now know at some point and I ll do an educated normal usual length based on other peopleís Jeep, to get that front drive shaft, only because your going to need one eventually anyways.



The gears though I am not sure, but I really liked the way it performed without as much weight.

Yeah 2 doors have some power without extra weight. Iíve never re geared, but most swear itís an upgrade. I would rather have a Hemi which I think should have been an option. Iím going to Colorado in 2 weeks and I will decide then if i need a re gear. For 33ís-35ís the 4.10ís are fine for me. If I went to 37ís I might go 4.88.
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I will be changing my oil tomorrow in preparation for my trip to Colorado in 2 weeks.
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I will be changing my oil tomorrow in preparation for my trip to Colorado in 2 weeks.
Nice.

Yea I mean for that power of what it felt like without that weight, it makes a difference. Iíve seen videos of peopleís 37 or so and 5ey have hemi and seem to need it, but they fly. I would only rehear, which I donot want to unless it made enough of difference coming from 4.1, if it gave me the power I felt with less weight so I could that weight.

For steering stuff, I like the idea of yeti, for stronger stuff and value your opinion in it not being that much of a difference. Wonder about off-road like he said, must be. I like better steering stuff though, so when I do front drive shaft because I ll have to eventually thatís when I prob do yeti.

Just want to make sure it works with tf nexus 2.2 and maybe do it at same time as res shocks and might as well put new springs in at same time. That should be enough usage of those parts for how many miles I have on them. I ll wait until then.

I see you tried a lot of stuff. Would be interested in what you think about nexus stabilizer, itís way different then any other. Makes a good difference. Just not sure if it works well with yeti, maybe it does without griffin.
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Yeah 2 doors have some power without extra weight. I’ve never re geared, but most swear it’s an upgrade. I would rather have a Hemi which I think should have been an option. I’m going to Colorado in 2 weeks and I will decide then if i need a re gear. For 33’s-35’s the 4.10’s are fine for me. If I went to 37’s I might go 4.88.
That’s why I like the true 34s and 2.5 or 2 springs, without weight so I have good height.

So I donot have to do all these things. I love the height but.

I do want power, like the 2 door light weight, want Jeep tight like MC and falcons parts do, so was wondering about that power thing.
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Well I changed my oil today and helped my friend install some Carolina Metal Masters grab handles. Those things are really nice and really expensive. I don't need them, but if I did those would be the grab handles I would buy.

After making a complete mess while changing my oil, the Fumoto I bought wouldn't fit for some reason. I wasn't willing to fiddle with it too much so I decided to just stay with the stock bolt. I was trying to show my friend how to change her oil and I pulled the plug from the wrong angle. My arm was covered in oil. It also went down the inside of my skid plates. Those things are turning into more of a pain than they are worth when it comes to changing oil. I had to take the Jeep to the car wash to spray off all the pooled oil on the skid plates. I'm starting to think that I will just take it to the place that does my alignment because I'm tired of the mess. I'm also leaning toward letting others do all my installs. I'm tired of working on my Jeep. Driving it more is way better than working on it.
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Like many others my MC front sway bar links were rubbing. So I then trimmmed back part of the liner at the corner. Still very close to coil bucket and I didnít feel like trimming any of that. So I put on some TF sway bar links that I had. They are 1.5Ē shorter and now has plenty of room. Since Iím running a flipped drag link and will probably be running 3Ē of bumpstop, I doubt it will be a problem at full flex.

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trim the tube that is coming out of your frame flush with the weld. Otherwise you will be wondering what that noise is when you are offroading.

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Yeah I had that noise when I had the MC installed on my yellow Rubicon. Had to trim that piece, but I just havenít had time to get it done. Itís on an every growing list.
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I doubt I can Baja with it, but at least i know there should be less stress on steering components. I will get to test everything in Colorado in a couple weeks. Now Iíve done most of the things I can think of. Only things left would be a boring driveshaft, re-gear and a Hemi swap. Two out of the three are probably needed.
So the Hemi swap & which of the other two?
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Yeah I had that noise when I had the MC installed on my yellow Rubicon. Had to trim that piece, but I just havenít had time to get it done. Itís on an every growing list.
You do the Mc sway bar because of 3.5 springs?

I have 2.5 Mc springs and 1.0 tf spacers, and have the tf 2.5/2.0 spacer kit which uses the tf 2.5? Front sway bar links and then puts the stock links in back.

I can see your tf links are smaller then Mc 3.5 links.

What difference does it make, having that extra length for links. I know you want them parallel but mine seem to be pretty level enough, kind of. I havenít heard any rubbing or noises, I am not sure if I count as 2.5 or 3.5 because of spacers being the 1.0 extra height.
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You do the Mc sway bar because of 3.5 springs?



I have 2.5 Mc springs and 1.0 tf spacers, and have the tf 2.5/2.0 spacer kit which uses the tf 2.5? Front sway bar links and then puts the stock links in back.



I can see your tf links are smaller then Mc 3.5 links.



What difference does it make, having that extra length for links. I know you want them parallel but mine seem to be pretty level enough, kind of. I havenít heard any rubbing or noises, I am not sure if I count as 2.5 or 3.5 because of spacers being the 1.0 extra height.

With the TF links Iím closer to parallel. I donít think it make much difference. I highly doubt the extra length for the MC links will be necessary in most of my situations. The thing I know is my TF links will never rub.
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After making a complete mess while changing my oil, the Fumoto I bought wouldn't fit for some reason. I wasn't willing to fiddle with it too much so I decided to just stay with the stock bolt.
Hmmmm. I've got a Fumoto on mine with Rubicon Express oil pan skid and it works great. However, the Fumoto was on since my first oil change and the skid only recently went on. Looking at it, I believe it would be impossible to install or remove with the skid in place. Did you try removing the skid first? Just changed my oil Friday and it was the normal 2 minutes to get the lift up, bring the oil tower over and flick the Fumoto switch and go in the house to cool down.
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Hmmmm. I've got a Fumoto on mine with Rubicon Express oil pan skid and it works great. However, the Fumoto was on since my first oil change and the skid only recently went on. Looking at it, I believe it would be impossible to install or remove with the skid in place. Did you try removing the skid first? Just changed my oil Friday and it was the normal 2 minutes to get the lift up, bring the oil tower over and flick the Fumoto switch and go in the house to cool down.

There is no way I would remove the skid first. Plus the bolt just wouldnít start. They might have sent me the wrong one.
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Been a couple weeks since I have posted. I just got back from Colorado Springs. Its was hot everyday. The Airbnb I stayed in didn't have AC. If you live south of the North Pole you should have AC. Opening the windows doesn't cool a house down enough when temps were 95*. I guess us Texans have to have AC so hopefully when we go to Moab all places have it. I wouldn't go to Colorado Springs again in the summer. Fall would be way better. I was there 3 days and did crazy amounts of hiking with basically zero off road stuff. I was visiting some friends so I couldn't fit in trails. Nick deserved lots of hiking time since our Ouray trip was basically rained out last year. So I have little to report on the Jeep other than I purchased some JRi shocks. They stopped making these and had two left so I scored a decent deal on them. I will probably install or have them installed next week. I got to see how the RockSports performed and they are pretty good, but I’m hoping the JRi will be better.



I did notice my Jeep gets way better gas mileage and has more power in the altitude. The suspension also performed better. I really think the low humidity is better for the Jeep. I just have some pics of Nick hiking so enjoy.

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We had to leave this trail because of this.



Next day we hit Garden of the Gods and drove to the top of Pikes Peak. That was super sketchy.







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