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Old 08-02-2019, 11:44 AM   #721
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There is no way I would remove the skid first. Plus the bolt just wouldnít start. They might have sent me the wrong one.
Hey man, I was going to ask you what you thought of the MC rock shocks, and how they compared to others you had and the 2.1 falcons and 3.3 falcons.

What shocks are those. You trying everything to know for sure what shocks are better for Jeep?

I am wondering on trying the 2 mopar springs and if they are more firm then the 2.5 MC springs I have. I like lower center of gravity but wondering on if they are firmer what differences I would feel and how the handeling would be. The differences. Jadmt said last fall or winter to just try them and I thatís what I want to do when I can.

So I like falcons and want to do kings in a couple yrs, and want to have tried the mopar springs before I get more shocks.

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Hey man, I was going to ask you what you thought of the MC rock shocks, and how they compared to others you had and the 2.1 falcons and 3.3 falcons.



What shocks are those. You trying everything to know for sure what shocks are better for Jeep?



I am wondering on trying the 2 mopar springs and if they are more firm then the 2.5 MC springs I have. I like lower center of gravity but wondering on if they are firmer what differences I would feel and how the handeling would be. The differences. Jadmt said last fall or winter to just try them and I thatís what I want to do when I can.



So I like falcons and want to do kings in a couple yrs, and want to have tried the mopar springs before I get more shocks.

Iíve had 2.1 Falcons and they are ok, but the RockSports are softer, but not as good for handling. The 3.3ís were a little better on my 2 door. The Mopar springs are softer than the MC.

JRi is a small company in N. Carolina I think. Iíve wanted to try them since Iíve had the Falcons and really donít like how the 3.3ís mount in the rear. Plus the JRiís were cheaper and once mounted the reservoir will be mounted to the frame making it easier to adjust than the Falcons. I will know in a few days if the JRiís are better than the Falcons.

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Iíve had 2.1 Falcons and they are ok, but the RockSports are softer, but not as good for handling. The 3.3ís were a little better on my 2 door. The Mopar springs are softer than the MC.

JRi is a small company in N. Carolina I think. Iíve wanted to try them since Iíve had the Falcons and really donít like how the 3.3ís mount in the rear. Plus the JRiís were cheaper and once mounted the reservoir will be mounted to the frame making it easier to adjust than the Falcons. I will know in a few days if the JRiís are better than the Falcons.
Mopar springs are softer then MC? You mean stock mopar or 2 inch lift mopar? Or are they the same. Which are you referring to and weíre they 4 or 2 door, if that makes a difference.

Just trying to understand, specifically, so I know.

I am trying to figure out if firmer springs, then the 2.5 MC springs I have now, would be better or not and what differences I would see.

The 2 mopar springs I want to try but if they are softer, it even as the same as MC, then I am not sure if I try them. I just heard good things about 2 mopar springs and falcon combo. And thought, still might, it would be worth the try sample.

What I need to figure out it, would firmer or softer springs then the MC springs I have, be better and what the differences in handeling would be. Then I can see what springs might be worth sampling.
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Is it as simple as firmer springs are better for off road and not as good as soft spring for road, like shocks.

Example, falcons are really good off-road and going medium or fast, but not slow for small bumps on the road paved. Where fox are a little softer then falcons so hey are, better, at those small bumps, and still good, it as good as falcons, but still good off road medium or fast.

Does that make sense. So if does then going by that, what springs.

You said MC are firmer then mopar, so if I need and I am not sure yet what I need in terms of firmer then MC springs, firmer springs I need to get uglys on what springs are soft to firm list and go from there.
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I am pretty dang happy with the 2.1 so I should like the 3 falcons even better. I am 100% as of now getting the 3.3 falcons or custom valved kings res. Shocks in a couple yrs, so I want to have the springs figured out by then.

Soft lower number and firm higher number, 1-10


OME-9?
MC-7?
Mopar-5?
TF-?
Add other top springs-?
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Iíve had 2.1 Falcons and they are ok, but the RockSports are softer, but not as good for handling. The 3.3ís were a little better on my 2 door. The Mopar springs are softer than the MC.

JRi is a small company in N. Carolina I think. Iíve wanted to try them since Iíve had the Falcons and really donít like how the 3.3ís mount in the rear. Plus the JRiís were cheaper and once mounted the reservoir will be mounted to the frame making it easier to adjust than the Falcons. I will know in a few days if the JRiís are better than the Falcons.
I might get into the bumpstop thing it that would be in a couple yrs when I do the res shocks. Ahh money I donot have and can use atinterest.
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Mopar springs are softer then MC? You mean stock mopar or 2 inch lift mopar? Or are they the same. Which are you referring to and weíre they 4 or 2 door, if that makes a difference.

Just trying to understand, specifically, so I know.

I am trying to figure out if firmer springs, then the 2.5 MC springs I have now, would be better or not and what differences I would see.

The 2 mopar springs I want to try but if they are softer, it even as the same as MC, then I am not sure if I try them. I just heard good things about 2 mopar springs and falcon combo. And thought, still might, it would be worth the try sample.

What I need to figure out it, would firmer or softer springs then the MC springs I have, be better and what the differences in handeling would be. Then I can see what springs might be worth sampling.
I did not like my Mopar 2" with Falcon 2.1's mainly because the Falcons are not a good shock around town IMO. The RockSports with the 2" Mopar were pretty good. I wanted more height. The MC with RockSports are good, but I'm hoping the JRi shocks are better on small bumps. I can tell you sampling different shocks and springs is exhausting. You will lose some height going to the 2" Mopar.
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Been a couple weeks since I have posted. I just got back from Colorado Springs. Its was hot everyday. The Airbnb I stayed in didn't have AC. If you live south of the North Pole you should have AC. Opening the windows doesn't cool a house down enough when temps were 95*. I guess us Texans have to have AC so hopefully when we go to Moab all places have it. I wouldn't go to Colorado Springs again in the summer.
Can't say I've ever had that problem in all the trips I've made to Colorado. I guess, to be fair, I probably haven't spent the night in the Springs since I was a kid. We always get a little higher in altitude.
Another thing I've never experienced is a funnel cloud, there or anywhere else for that matter. The weather these days is crazy. Must be global warming!
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Can't say I've ever had that problem in all the trips I've made to Colorado. I guess, to be fair, I probably haven't spent the night in the Springs since I was a kid. We always get a little higher in altitude.
Another thing I've never experienced is a funnel cloud, there or anywhere else for that matter. The weather these days is crazy. Must be global warming!
Was Nick waving in that one pic? That was one of the first things I taught Scout, thinking Jeep wave, but she will rarely do it from the Jeep.

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I did not like my Mopar 2" with Falcon 2.1's mainly because the Falcons are not a good shock around town IMO. The RockSports with the 2" Mopar were pretty good. I wanted more height. The MC with RockSports are good, but I'm hoping the JRi shocks are better on small bumps. I can tell you sampling different shocks and springs is exhausting. You will lose some height going to the 2" Mopar.
I see. So your saying you like the MC springs better reguardless of shocks. That the rockshocks are softer then falcons for town and small bumps thatís why you like those better and wanting those jri shocks to be even better. When you say less height with 2 mopar then 2.5 MC, do you mean more then .5 inch?
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Can't say I've ever had that problem in all the trips I've made to Colorado. I guess, to be fair, I probably haven't spent the night in the Springs since I was a kid. We always get a little higher in altitude.
Another thing I've never experienced is a funnel cloud, there or anywhere else for that matter. The weather these days is crazy. Must be global warming!
Was Nick waving in that one pic? That was one of the first things I taught Scout, thinking Jeep wave, but she will rarely do it from the Jeep.

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Yea since about 2005 the weather changed, bigger storms and at different then usual times, season overlap some.

The great white north has been different since 2005.
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I see. So your saying you like the MC springs better reguardless of shocks. That the rockshocks are softer then falcons for town and small bumps thatís why you like those better and wanting those jri shocks to be even better. When you say less height with 2 mopar then 2.5 MC, do you mean more then .5 inch?

Probably more than 1Ē. My Mopars were exactly 2Ē.
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Probably more than 1Ē. My Mopars were exactly 2Ē.
Your saying 2 mopar s are exactly 2 higher then stock mopar s. With more the 1.0 inch, 2.5 MC are real world 3.0 or a hair higher then 3.0

I also have 1.0 front spacer to have Jeep level, so really I have a 4/3 lift.

Any way to tell if drive shaft is wearing out or what amount of miles is normal for that.
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Your saying 2 mopar s are exactly 2 higher then stock mopar s. With more the 1.0 inch, 2.5 MC are real world 3.0 or a hair higher then 3.0



I also have 1.0 front spacer to have Jeep level, so really I have a 4/3 lift.



Any way to tell if drive shaft is wearing out or what amount of miles is normal for that.

If you are just driving around town then you are probably fine.
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If you are just driving around town then you are probably fine.
I off-road. I got hung up on a 3 ft rock a couple yrs ago had to use 2x6 and lockers. Jeep lifted up like a Hoover craft and just drove off like a feather.

Yea so I only have 2.5 MC springs but didnít want higher to get into other things, just want to make sure I am good. Didnít know if 1.0 front spacer made a difference in the drive shaft thing because I read other people getting new ones after so long with higher angle.

I havenít heard any rubbing or anything so I guess itís fine but the angle thing, just looking ahead.
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Got my JRi shocks installed. They would have taken me multiple hours, but Aaron at Smith Offroad got them installed in just over an hour. He also re tapped my rear sway bar bolt that I screwed up when I removed Hellwig. Currently I have them set at 3 and they are firm, but pretty compliant. Almost all body roll is gone at that setting. I will probably set them lower, but Iím going to take my time with each setting. This time I will document it so I donít forget. The only part I donít like is using those clamps for the rear reservoir, but they do their job. I will see if there are some black clamps.





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[QUOTE=DallasRecon;34456453]Got my JRi shocks installed. They would have taken me multiple hours, but Aaron at Smith Offroad got them installed in just over an hour. He also re tapped my rear sway bar bolt that I screwed up when I removed Hellwig. Currently I have them set at 3 and they are firm, but pretty compliant. Almost all body roll is gone at that setting. I will probably set them lower, but Iím going to take my time with each setting. This time I will document it so I donít forget. The only part I donít like is using those clamps for the rear reservoir, but they do their job. I will see if there are some black clamps.



Looks cool. You deserve those shocks to work well, the way you want for trying all the stuff you do, to get it the way you want are looking for.

I canít wait to get adjustable res shocks, so far I am sticking with MC springs but if I a, going to try any other springs I want to before I get the res shocks.
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Looks cool. You deserve those shocks to work well, the way you want for trying all the stuff you do, to get it the way you want are looking for.



I canít wait to get adjustable res shocks, so far I am sticking with MC springs but if I a, going to try any other springs I want to before I get the res shocks.

I think the one word of caution i would give you or anyone looking at reservoir shocks is donít expect it to be the perfect ride. Itís still a Jeep and there is a limited amount that can be done to make a solid axle vehicle ride well. Actually the best advice I can give is donít have unrealistic expectations from a Jeep. There are so many factors that go into ride quality with the most important is opinion.

Iím still playing with the JRiís and so far the biggest change is they limit body roll which the Falcons also did. These seem somewhat softer in the lower settings than the Falcons. I havenít tried the lowest setting yet.
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I think the one word of caution i would give you or anyone looking at reservoir shocks is donít expect it to be the perfect ride. Itís still a Jeep and there is a limited amount that can be done to make a solid axle vehicle ride well. Actually the best advice I can give is donít have unrealistic expectations from a Jeep. There are so many factors that go into ride quality with the most important is opinion.

Iím still playing with the JRiís and so far the biggest change is they limit body roll which the Falcons also did. These seem somewhat softer in the lower settings than the Falcons. I havenít tried the lowest setting yet.
Right o.

Good wisdom on that. Can count on res shocks being better then normal solo shocks though and getting custom valves to axle weight and Jeep specs weight wise should make them match the springs good.
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Only things I’ve done is I sold my tailgate table. I figured $300 to eat Chik Fil A in the park with my dog was a little excessive so I sold it. A Springtail table would have been the better option since I could have attached bags and gear to it.

I also went back to the RockSport shocks. The JRi shocks are very nice and they ride pretty well. The main reason is they didn’t install well with my MC outboard shock mounts. The shocks ride pretty firm and are awesome at sway control. For the price I paid I would rather have the money so they are for sale.

I did finally find a sleeping pad that fit well and wasn’t too big. Until I decide how I want to build a platform I will just use this pad. Since I had a gift card, I paid $33 from REI. It’s comfortable. Folds up small. Leaves plenty of room for gear and for Nick.

I have no real plans for the Jeep right now so that leaves maybe some 37's as next step around next summer. Trips to AZ and Moab planned in Spring probably.

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Only things Iíve done is I sold my tailgate table. I figured $300 to eat Chik Fil A in the park with my dog was a little excessive so I sold it. A Springtail table would have been the better option since I could have attached bags and gear to it.

I also went back to the RockSport shocks. The JRi shocks are very nice and they ride pretty well. The main reason is they didnít install well with my MC outboard shock mounts. The shocks ride pretty firm and are awesome at sway control. For the price I paid I would rather have the money so they are for sale.

I did finally find a sleeping pad that fit well and wasnít too big. Until I decide how I want to build a platform I will just use this pad. Since I had a gift card, I paid $33 from REI. Itís comfortable. Folds up small. Leaves plenty of room for gear and for Nick.

I have no real plans for the Jeep right now so that leaves maybe some 37's as next step around next summer. Trips to AZ and Moab planned in Spring probably.

Hey man, why did you get the retainers. I have the same springs Mc and thought the Mc springs were longer side. Want to make sure because I have the same falcons 2.1 and do not want any surprises. I know I need to add a little bumpstop b3cause falcons are the longer ones of the two sizes.
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Hey man, why did you get the retainers. I have the same springs Mc and thought the Mc springs were longer side. Want to make sure because I have the same falcons 2.1 and do not want any surprises. I know I need to add a little bumpstop b3cause falcons are the longer ones of the two sizes.

The ones in the rear??
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The ones in the rear??
Yea, there are retailers for front springs? I thought there was only back spring retainers.

Pressurized told me Mc springs are on the long side and I fine. I need to ask the garage if they have a ramp so I can see full up down to really know. I ainít trying it on my own and then have to get towed. I can to see the bumpstop, which I need to do. I think I have tf budget boost bumpstops and they are 2.75 whole way around.

So 4 inch metalcloack adjustable bumstop would be smart to get.
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My Final "JK" Build

I decided to lighten up my Jeep so i removed and sold my winch and skid plates. Saved about 150-175 lbs and you can tell for sure. I gained about 3/4Ē of lift. So I decided I would rather have the money because I never have hit my skids or used my winch. Looks fine without the winch.
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I decided to lighten up my Jeep so i removed and sold my winch and skid plates. Saved about 150-175 lbs and you can tell for sure. I gained about 3/4Ē of lift. So I decided I would rather have the money because I never have hit my skids or used my winch. Looks fine without the winch.
Do not mean to post so much in your build just have ideas questions.

I like going lightweight or as light as possible for better performance. I havenít got a winch yet and wonder if I should. I havenít ever got more then stock rubicon skids and there prob is one or two smaller ones for vital spots. I havenít hit anything underneath. Not going to do extreme rock stuff.

Thatís where I should get out a see how close I am some times to know.

For the winch I off-road alone or one Jeep at a time, so I am not sure. Someone told me about a back hitch to mount it to so I only bring it when I off-road and that most self winch are from the back anyways. Wonder on doing that.
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Do not mean to post so much in your build just have ideas questions.



I like going lightweight or as light as possible for better performance. I havenít got a winch yet and wonder if I should. I havenít ever got more then stock rubicon skids and there prob is one or two smaller ones for vital spots. I havenít hit anything underneath. Not going to do extreme rock stuff.



Thatís where I should get out a see how close I am some times to know.



For the winch I off-road alone or one Jeep at a time, so I am not sure. Someone told me about a back hitch to mount it to so I only bring it when I off-road and that most self winch are from the back anyways. Wonder on doing that.

I do a lot of stuff alone also, but Iím super careful when Iím alone. That doesnít mean I wonít have an issue, but the extra weight was not worth it to me in the long run. I justified it with the what if question but the Recon can get me out of most situations. As for the skids I did them on my 2 door and since I had them I put them on the 4 door. Looked brand new when I took them off.
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Jeep in shop. Had check engine light come on. Something with cooling fan. Have a Ram Rebel full size truck with a Hemi as a rental. Pretty nice truck. So quiet. Wish my Jeep had a Hemi. Nick hates it.



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They had to replace the TIPM. I'm not sure exactly what the TIPM does but it looks like it controls a lot of stuff. I'm hoping this fixes the issue and doesn't open up a new can of worms. I found out I hate driving trucks though.
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Poor Nick. He does not look happy. How's the turning radius on that Ram?
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Poor Nick. He does not look happy. How's the turning radius on that Ram?

It was better than my Recon. I was actually surprised how tight it was for being so long.

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