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Old 03-18-2019, 07:04 PM
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Finally made it out wheeling Saturday to the ORV Park in Spokane as part of a cleanup day. Initially, we thought we would just be there for about 30 minutes and did not bother to air down. The park turned out to be bigger than I expected along with more varied terrain. The park had ice, about 10 inches of wet snow, water holes, some rock, and lots of sandy soft muddy hills. Thus the decision to not deflate the tires was a bad decision and I ended up disappointed.

Aired down to 8psi on the Patagonia's and took it back in. What a difference. Took it into some twisty gullies, then climbed everything I wanted, which was a few more than the wife wanted. Along the way dived in and out of an icy water hole that had previously stuck a Toyota. 8psi, on non-beadlock wheels, crazy successful.

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Finally made it out wheeling Saturday to the ORV Park in Spokane as part of a cleanup day. Initially, we thought we would just be there for about 30 minutes and did not bother to air down. The park turned out to be bigger than I expected along with more varied terrain. The park had ice, about 10 inches of wet snow, water holes, some rock, and lots of sandy soft muddy hills. Thus the decision to not deflate the tires was a bad decision and I ended up disappointed.

Aired down to 8psi on the Patagonia's and took it back in. What a difference. Took it into some twisty gullies, then climbed everything I wanted, which was a few more than the wife wanted. Along the way dived in and out of an icy water hole that had previously stuck a Toyota. 8psi, on non-beadlock wheels, crazy successful.

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Ahhhh...that moment when you realize what your Jeep is capable of Fantastic right

You have twins? Getting everyone out into nature and scaring the wife little, well done! Looks like a successful weekend.


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Ahhhh...that moment when you realize what your Jeep is capable of Fantastic right

You have twins? Getting everyone out into nature and scaring the wife little, well done! Looks like a successful weekend.


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Steven,

Twin boys were quite the surprise! 4 months after they were born, we took em up to Argentine Pass in Colorado for some mountain fresh air in the WK. I try to get them out as much as possible. Kids become too addicted to electronics these days.

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This past weekend was indeed a good weekend and it looks like spring is in the air here in the PNW. We are gonna try Pinehurst this coming weekend.

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Wow, 8 psi? I still haven't gotten out on my Patagonias, but on my stock KMs I don't think I ever went lower than about 15. Pretty good flex with them I assume?



I'm hoping to at least get in a day trip down to our Hollister off road park in the next couple weeks, we'll see how low I have the confidence to go. I feel like I should maybe keep it a bit higher since I'm still on the stock skinny rims.


I suppose I should also trim my rails per your prior post before hitting the trails. I just messed around with my front suspension flex this past weekend (with jacks at home) and took out an inch of bump stop, MetalCloak had recommended 3" with stock fenders and 35s, but I guess these aren't really 35s so 2" still gave plenty of clearance to the fenders. It did start to lightly rub the swaybar link at full stuff and lock, but I think that's OK as that's a bit of an unusual position that I don't expect to spend a ton of time in.
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Twin boys were quite the surprise! 4 months after they were born, we took em up to Argentine Pass in Colorado for some mountain fresh air in the WK. I try to get them out as much as possible. Kids become too addicted to electronics these days.

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This past weekend was indeed a good weekend and it looks like spring is in the air here in the PNW. We are gonna try Pinehurst this coming weekend.

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That's awesome, you're giving them a love for nature that will last a lifetime. Plus, wide open spaces can be good for bleeding off a little extra energy right?

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Wow, 8 psi? I still haven't gotten out on my Patagonias, but on my stock KMs I don't think I ever went lower than about 15. Pretty good flex with them I assume?

I'm hoping to at least get in a day trip down to our Hollister off road park in the next couple weeks, we'll see how low I have the confidence to go. I feel like I should maybe keep it a bit higher since I'm still on the stock skinny rims.

I suppose I should also trim my rails per your prior post before hitting the trails. I just messed around with my front suspension flex this past weekend (with jacks at home) and took out an inch of bump stop, MetalCloak had recommended 3" with stock fenders and 35s, but I guess these aren't really 35s so 2" still gave plenty of clearance to the fenders. It did start to lightly rub the swaybar link at full stuff and lock, but I think that's OK as that's a bit of an unusual position that I don't expect to spend a ton of time in.
It was crazy how much traction I gained at 8psi. The wife actually ran one down to 5psi and the tire really started to bulge before we put air back in it. The local gurus had recommended 5 psi, so blending the tire warranty with being only 5 miles from town, it seemed like a good time to risk it. Snow wheeling feels very different then the trails I spent the last 20 years with in Colorado. During the winter in CO, we went skiing instead and I never had lockers. So much fun to learn new features.

I have had very good results at 15psi on stock rims with other tires and in your environment, it should be a great fit! 18-20psi might be a great place to start to push that comfort level without wigging you out.

Along with that, you probably do not have to trim that rubi rail since I am only at 2" while you are at 3".


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That's awesome, you're giving them a love for nature that will last a lifetime. Plus, wide open spaces can be good for bleeding off a little extra energy right?

What's next on your build?

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Although I have a bunch of projects looming for spring, most pressing is the added weight with the simple puck lift. The Jeep is listing 3/4" to the passenger side and I get an occasional rub on the back wheel at flex. With eventual plans to tow a camper, it is time to start looking at suspension changes.

Along the way, I'll bolt on stuff that has been stacking up in the garage.
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Me: Do you think I can drive over that snow pile?
Neighbor: Nope
Me: Challenge ACCEPTED!

2 minutes later, I am high centered a hundred feet from my garage.

Over the next 10 minutes I decide it is a great time to test the new winch. While I spool out rope, the neighbors break out chairs and popcorn. Good news, winch works, I successfully drag the Xterra out of the garage.

I resign myself to a shovel and have it dug out enough to drive it off in 3 minutes. It is crazy how fast we dug it out. Figured the winch would be faster. Lesson learn'd

All-in-all a slightly embarassing fun moment that seems like it should have started with “Hold my Beer”
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Snow wheeling

Finally got out for some real wheeling this weekend with the local club:

Crazy low air pressure in deep snow is OK - Ran my tires down to 6psi as recommended, developed a nervous twitch as we rolled a mile out of town onto the trail. Pavement time 5 minutes at around 30mph. Some of the seasoned wheelers were running 2psi without bead locks. Encountered mud, rocks but mostly deep snow. Traction was darned good in the morning with the Patagonias but either the conditions degraded or I did.
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Snow conditions can change quickly - I had “fair” traction in the morning. In the afternoon, it seemed like I could not keep the Jeep on the trail.
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Winching is not just hook up and go - There is actually a whole bunch of technique to “proper” winching. Angles, blocks, when to use the vehicle… and so many other variables

X20 winch is amazing - It has four pulls on it without a hiccup. 100 feet away, and the wireless remote hooks right up when I push the button.

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Finally got out for some real wheeling this weekend with the local club:

Crazy low air pressure in deep snow is OK - Ran my tires down to 6psi as recommended, developed a nervous twitch as we rolled a mile out of town onto the trail. Pavement time 5 minutes at around 30mph. Some of the seasoned wheelers were running 2psi without bead locks. Encountered mud, rocks but mostly deep snow. Traction was darned good in the morning with the Patagonias but either the conditions degraded or I did.
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Winching is not just hook up and go - There is actually a whole bunch of technique to “proper” winching. Angles, blocks, when to use the vehicle… and so many other variables

X20 winch is amazing - It has four pulls on it without a hiccup. 100 feet away, and the wireless remote hooks right up when I push the button.

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Great info You've expanded on what I thought was possible with non-beadlocks and tire pressure!

Snow conditions can be so tricky, I learned that in Ouray this past fall.

That winch was a great mod for you, you put it right to work Is a compressor system/compressed air your next mod?



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Great info You've expanded on what I thought was possible with non-beadlocks and tire pressure!

Snow conditions can be so tricky, I learned that in Ouray this past fall.

That winch was a great mod for you, you put it right to work Is a compressor system/compressed air your next mod?



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X20 has been one of my fave mods so far.

Airing up 4 tires over 20 minutes with the Viair 88p is acceptable, so I have been working on small projects.

Moving to the forefront during this outing made it evident from the occasional rubbing that lift modification is necessary. If anything, for my sanity. That upgrade that is coming more sooner than later.
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Had a rattle up in the front foot well since I bought the Jeep. While I was wiring up the backup camera recently I pulled out the glove compartment and I found some treasures tucked into the back!

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I have been rocking the 67 designs for a while. Turns out, I should have bought the double pack. Mod was pretty easy, just time consuming to maintain the quality of the original product.
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Finally hooked up a backup camera to the 430N Stereo. Tapped my voltage from the jack in the passenger corner.
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Attended Cabin Fever this weekend and ran a trail named Roller Coaster and part of one named Palisade. Bottomed out a few times on the whoops and doos.

Ran the tires at 9psi. Even on some sharp rocks.

I see more elevation in my future.
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Rancho 3" Progressive Sport System

Installed the Rancho RS66110B 3-3.5" Progressive Sport System kit over the weekend. Could not find any information on this kit but decided to go with it. It put the Jeep back into a proper stance alleviating the sag I was getting from the OEM springs setup on spacers.

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- I do still have a small "JK lean" and may consider a ½” spacer in the back passenger corner. RS9000s are installed but the rears were dented in shipping so I am not 100% in love with it yet.

- Did not appreciate is drilling the rear sway bar holes to move the sway bar mounting point up instead of sending longer links. I picked up 12.25” links and they seem long as the rear sway bar seems flat, and I think I need a slight downward angle to it. Probably should just drill the holes and be done.

-Kit so far it steers better than my last configuration and I have not even had it aligned. That seems odd, since I gained one inch over my last configuration.

-Not as Cush as the OEM Springs and Shocks with RC Spacers, but I still have to adjust the RS9000s.

-It took two weeks to ship, frustrating communication with the vendor.
Took me 6-8 hours to install since I mostly BS’d with a Jeep friend and had to keep my twins from being jack stands.

-Stance is definitely more beefy

-No vibes

-No droop problems at the front so far, but I have to investigate that under further stress
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Installed VDP under seat storage. Seems like it takes up too much leg room and I keep hitting my calf on it. Had some items inside, they slid all over the place even though the drawer is padded. Neat idea, just not for me at 5'11" and the seat pushed all the way back.
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Turns out from all the web gurus the sway bar is supposed to be flat +/- a few degrees. Strapped those 12.25" Teraflex links on in five minutes.
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Had my first alignment done and I am appreciating the way the Jeep is driving. Seems to track better with less bump steer.

Pulled out the under seat drawer.

Need to get it out wheeling... Hopefully this coming weekend.
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Pre-Rancho Lift - took more of a roady then wheeling. Did get to flex it out when the kiddos were snoozing in Tilamook State Park.
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Ran some trails up by Pinehurst with the family. Amazing how different the terrain is when there is no snow. New system is flexing well and I have to do some brake line adjusting in my future.
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G2 5.13 Gears

Had some G2 5.13 gears installed

Initially, it is not one of my favorite mods

-Haven't really romped on it, but there is good acceleration coming off the light and merging on freeway feels good.
-At 75mph it feels torquey and twitchy, but I am probably being overly sensitive
-Fuel economy improved by 1mpg
-I started looking at 37s soon after getting it up to highway speeds
-Still have to drop it on a trail and pull a camper with it

At this point, for everyday driving, in hindsight, my 3.73s were fine on 315s. 4.88s with a slushbox are probably a better combo, but with plans to pull a trailer and 37s as an eventual goal, these should work out fine.
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Had some G2 5.13 gears installed

Initially, it is not one of my favorite mods

-Haven't really romped on it, but there is good acceleration coming off the light and merging on freeway feels good.
-At 75mph it feels torquey and twitchy, but I am probably being overly sensitive
-Fuel economy improved by 1mpg
-I started looking at 37s soon after getting it up to highway speeds
-Still have to drop it on a trail and pull a camper with it

At this point, for everyday driving, in hindsight, my 3.73s were fine on 315s. 4.88s with a slushbox are probably a better combo, but with plans to pull a trailer and 37s as an eventual goal, these should work out fine.
When I was getting ready to re-gear for 37's I spent a lot of time researching 4.88's or 5:13's. I was eventually able to speak with those who had personal experience with each. It came down to this, 5:13's if your pulling something(boat or camper), 4.88's for solo Jeep. 4:88's are the sweet spot for interstate cruising(solo). I think you made the right choice for your build plans.


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When I was getting ready to re-gear for 37's I spent a lot of time researching 4.88's or 5:13's. I was eventually able to speak with those who had personal experience with each. It came down to this, 5:13's if your pulling something(boat or camper), 4.88's for solo Jeep. 4:88's are the sweet spot for interstate cruising(solo). I think you made the right choice for your build plans.


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Thanks Steven. I agree, that the appreciation will probably come later as the plans unfold.
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Poison Spyder Diff Cover and Lube Lockers

During the gear re-check installed some Poison Spyder differential covers with Lube Lockers. It was probably the contact high I had from my patient earlier that day that made me do it.

Again, can't see an immediate benefit from it. It is easy to see why people go to the mall light bars and wheels.
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Camping

Next day, hooked it up to the camper and dragged it south for the weekend.

Google maps offered us several different routes and I chose one that took us in from a direction we had never traveled. Camper handled nice all the way down mostly 2 lane roads upwards of 65mph.

Our destination was a rugged state park with some primitive sites that none of my friends had heard of. "The road is not safe for large RVs or trailers and it may be too rough for your family car, but if you've got a suitable rig and are willing to explore, you won't be disappointed." My kind of park

That decision to come in a different route presented the "rough" as soon as we entered the park. With deep ruts and the road narrowing very quickly on a climb from 2200ft to 4000ft in 2 miles, the wife asked if I made a wrong turn. I climbed confidently trusting google maps as the cedars closed in and started to add Idaho pin striping to the camper.

She says, "what if you have to back up"? I answer with pride, it is plenty wide, we can make it just two miles more. It was at that point I rounded a corner to find a two foot wide tree lying 1/3 of the way across the trail.

We hopped out and surveyed it. I contemplated using the trusty winch and a snatch block to pull it up off the trail, but decided (like an idiot) to try to squeeze the Jeep and camper through. 50% success and a missed Kodak moment. Alas, the tree stuck out a foot too far to pull the camper through. We then shimmied and bounced the tree for the next ten minutes to clear it. Thankfully other than the trail getting more narrow with trees we were able to make it to our campsite.

Our destination was amazing! We went exploring in the Jeep the next few days and found some cool trails with no one around. Twas a good Fathers Day weekend complete with a bit of challenges.
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Grab Handles

Cause everyone enjoys a good grab handle. Hooke Road was kind enough to provide forum members with an item if they followed a few social media steps. Installed these Wild Boar grab handles.

- They come with no directions, but it was easy enough to figure out.
- Would prefer the version that if it has a logo, the logo is right side up.
- MY WIFE LOVES THEM! This will keep me from having to get upgraded rock rails for a while
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- Would prefer the version that if it has a logo, the logo is right side up
If you twist the grip around 180 degrees won’t it be right side up?
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Next day, hooked it up to the camper and dragged it south for the weekend.

Google maps offered us several different routes and I chose one that took us in from a direction we had never traveled. Camper handled nice all the way down mostly 2 lane roads upwards of 65mph.

Our destination was a rugged state park with some primitive sites that none of my friends had heard of. "The road is not safe for large RVs or trailers and it may be too rough for your family car, but if you've got a suitable rig and are willing to explore, you won't be disappointed." My kind of park

That decision to come in a different route presented the "rough" as soon as we entered the park. With deep ruts and the road narrowing very quickly on a climb from 2200ft to 4000ft in 2 miles, the wife asked if I made a wrong turn. I climbed confidently trusting google maps as the cedars closed in and started to add Idaho pin striping to the camper.

She says, "what if you have to back up"? I answer with pride, it is plenty wide, we can make it just two miles more. It was at that point I rounded a corner to find a two foot wide tree lying 1/3 of the way across the trail.

We hopped out and surveyed it. I contemplated using the trusty winch and a snatch block to pull it up off the trail, but decided (like an idiot) to try to squeeze the Jeep and camper through. 50% success and a missed Kodak moment. Alas, the tree stuck out a foot too far to pull the camper through. We then shimmied and bounced the tree for the next ten minutes to clear it. Thankfully other than the trail getting more narrow with trees we were able to make it to our campsite.

Our destination was amazing! We went exploring in the Jeep the next few days and found some cool trails with no one around. Twas a good Fathers Day weekend complete with a bit of challenges.
where is this? We are headed over to the Liberty Lake state park campground tomorrow for 4 days. If you are bored and in the area stop by and say hi.
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