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Old 01-09-2019, 11:02 PM
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Sorry for the delay in wrapping this up. Holidays are over and its back to normal so lets get this thread going again.

The next day, Rory Called and said he was going to have the jeep back together by 2pm. With that news, we decided not to take the rental jeep out on any trails but instead just hang out in Moab. We packed up the camper and got ready to get going back to Colorado.

As usual, the 2pm pickup turned to 3 and then 4 and then 5. Haha, Im not the only optimist in this world. These projects always take longer then expected so I wasn't mad but I do wish we had taken the time to go enjoy Moab. Oh well, next time.

We finally loaded up the jeep and camper and headed out of Moab. As to be expected there was a storm brewing over the mountains in Colorado and the trip home looked to be a tough one. The way this trip was going, it was a certain thing that it would be tough going.

Things went pretty good until about an hour away from home we ran into some nasty freezing drizzle. I realized how bad the amazon LED headlights are in bad weather. They froze over so bad I couldn't see anything and had to drive the last 50 miles at 20 MPH or less. It seamed like we were never going to get home from the trip from hell.

Soon I will post up some of the things that we learned about the LS swap on this trip. Overall impressions were really positive and the jeep did amazing well pulling the camper. Not that it was a heavy camper, but it was pretty well loaded down.

So there is the anti climactic ending to a long 72 hours.

back to the building of the jeep..........

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Back from the trip and ready to start making the jeep look and feel more like my jeep and not one I bought that someone else modified. First up, shocks.

The Rough Country lift that came on the jeep was really not too bad but the millage had caught up to it and the shocks were the first thing to go. They were completely shot and provided absolutely no stability and control.

After much research and speaking to many other jeep owners, I settled on Falcon 3.3 shocks.

These are so amazing and transformed the jeep into an absolute dream to drive. Even with the crappy RC coils this jeep now drives like I had imagined a new one would and much better. Very impressive quality and the size is out of this world.

Could not be happier.
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The Motech LS3 conversion is awesome! Best money I ever spent on the Jeep.
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The Motech LS3 conversion is awesome! Best money I ever spent on the Jeep.
I agree 100%! I absolutely love driving my jeep now. My buddy has a supercharged 3.8 that puts out over 400 hp and I hate the power curve. He runs 40's and its just not a fun jeep to drive. its all or nothing with the power. The LS3 is so docile and manageable when you are driving around town but it becomes an animal when you really need it. I love that.
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I agree 100%! I absolutely love driving my jeep now. My buddy has a supercharged 3.8 that puts out over 400 hp and I hate the power curve. He runs 40's and its just not a fun jeep to drive. its all or nothing with the power. The LS3 is so docile and manageable when you are driving around town but it becomes an animal when you really need it. I love that.
Wow 400hp with a 3.8? I had a Sprintex Supercharger on mine before the LS3 and the gain was marginal from stock. Still couldn't keep up with traffic crossing the Rockies. Every wheeling buddy of mine that has tried FI has eventually ditched it for V8.
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Wow 400hp with a 3.8? .

His is boosted way up! Itís a ticking time bomb. Haha
He has an LSA going in soon. However itís be supercharged for 8 years or so.




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I had always hated the front bumper and wanted to get a new one. Found this guy on Craigs list trading in a jeep with Poison Spyder Front bumper with lights, JW Speaker head lights and tail lights. He also had fenders he was going to loose on the trade. So we traded my junk for his plus a little cash. I came out with a smoking good deal and I love the look. Still needed to add the winch back on in the pictures but that will happen soon.

Also took off my stock rear bumper and added the Evo Kit. Much happier with the overall look.

Added a Bestop Sun rider for Hardtop as well. Love it! I don't know how anyone can survive without it. HAHA

Lastly, got a RAM mount for my Phone. Mounted my Rugged Radios hand held under the RAM mount for a super clean fit.
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I have always liked the looks of the stock Rubicon wheels. However, I wanted a little wider stance and the BS on the stock wheels just make the jeep too narrow. I had a chance to buy some cheap used wheels from a client of mine and jumped on the deal. I used to have Walker Evans wheels on my Ultra4 car and really like the look. I think they are a pretty out dated style today, but it fits the era of the 08 JK just right for my tastes. The stance is perfect. Wheels came with some totally worn out 35" BFG's. I ran them for about a month before going back to 37's. It felt so small with 35's but boy did the LS3 love them. Talk about driving it like I stole it! It was really fun to drive it with those tires. Im not going to lie, I may have done a few burn outs.

35's just don't look right. Right?
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I have always liked the looks of the stock Rubicon wheels. However, I wanted a little wider stance and the BS on the stock wheels just make the jeep too narrow. I had a chance to buy some cheap used wheels from a client of mine and jumped on the deal. I used to have Walker Evans wheels on my Ultra4 car and really like the look. I think they are a pretty out dated style today, but it fits the era of the 08 JK just right for my tastes. The stance is perfect. Wheels came with some totally worn out 35" BFG's. I ran them for about a month before going back to 37's. It felt so small with 35's but boy did the LS3 love them. Talk about driving it like I stole it! It was really fun to drive it with those tires. Im not going to lie, I may have done a few burn outs.

35's just don't look right. Right?
Yeah the gap in the back is a little too big. The 37s fill out the fenders better. But splitting hairs though cause your rig still looks awesome either way. BFGs run small from what I hear. Could you run a more true to size 35 for street use and then have your 37s for offroad? That way you still have your burnout options.
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Back from the trip and ready to start making the jeep look and feel more like my jeep and not one I bought that someone else modified. First up, shocks.

The Rough Country lift that came on the jeep was really not too bad but the millage had caught up to it and the shocks were the first thing to go. They were completely shot and provided absolutely no stability and control.

After much research and speaking to many other jeep owners, I settled on Falcon 3.3 shocks.

These are so amazing and transformed the jeep into an absolute dream to drive. Even with the crappy RC coils this jeep now drives like I had imagined a new one would and much better. Very impressive quality and the size is out of this world.

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Tim, take a look at the TeraFlex skids for the rear Falcons. They offer bolt on and weld on. I'm running the bolt ons, and they have been plenty stout for the class 7 trails I ran in Moab.



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Tim, take a look at the TeraFlex skids for the rear Falcons. They offer bolt on and weld on. I'm running the bolt ons, and they have been plenty stout for the class 7 trails I ran in Moab.
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I have a set of weld on skids in my garage. I will be doing some work to my rear end soon and will get them installed. I have rubbed the shocks already and that scares the crap out of me. Thanks for the advice. Its in the works.
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Next up, front axle work.

I added some sleeves, C gussets, Teraflex adjustable ball joints, RCV axle shafts to axle for some strength. I also decided to go with the Steer Smarts Yeti drag link and tie rod for steering greatness! I am so impressed with these products. The overall size and quality of SS is amazing. I was talked into going with the track bar relocation bracket as well and that worked out great. Perfect placement of the mount and the stabilizer. A Rubicon Express adjustable steering stabilizer was installed and fits perfect.

The end result is a stout axle with wonderful steering. After spending all that money, it better be!

Oh, and look what I found at a clients house sitting around the back........
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Sorry for the terrible pictures, but I finally got the new 37's mounted up on the Walkers. Love the combination. Better pictures will follow.

Also have some major changes coming soon.

Bought a slightly used Tera44 front housing that will go under the jeep soon. Also have a full set of MC control arms coming, 3.5" MC progressive rate springs, and a new 60w Rugged Radio's base unit.

Thinking about adding a Vector OffRoad dock to mount all my junk. Any other 07-10 guys out there with any opinions on them?
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Mall Crawling mode. Needs to see some dirt soon.
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Sorry for the terrible pictures, but I finally got the new 37's mounted up on the Walkers. Love the combination. Better pictures will follow.

Also have some major changes coming soon.

Bought a slightly used Tera44 front housing that will go under the jeep soon. Also have a full set of MC control arms coming, 3.5" MC progressive rate springs, and a new 60w Rugged Radio's base unit.

Thinking about adding a Vector OffRoad dock to mount all my junk. Any other 07-10 guys out there with any opinions on them?

Nice find on the Teraflex 44. Bummer itís not a caster corrected housing but will still be a significant strength upgrade! I run a HD Tera 44 3.5Ē+ housing in the front of my Jeep. It has been solid with a set of heavy 37s.

I donít have a Vector dock in mine but a friend does and it is a great mounting system. Very solid! He ended up not using the tray in the middle because he already had an aftermarket top dash tray that the dock fit over. He used a bunch of 67 Designs mounting clamps and brackets to mount everything. Cell phone and iPad mini, his Baofeng radio, and Go Pro mounts. Pretty sure itís the same company that makes the Vector and 67 Designs products. They arenít giving those 67 Designs mounts away, thatís for sure, but they are sure top quality!

You are going to be really happy with the MC stuff. The springs will be a big upgrade in the ride and control department and the Duroflex joints they designed flex like crazy but maintain the rubber isolation characteristics of the stock arms. Iíve installed a couple Game Changer lifts that use them and they ride so nice!

BTW... Love the classic look of your beadlocks. One of the reason I picked the Ones I did is they had that old school aluminum mag wheel look to me. Yours have that same vibe! Love them.
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Nice find on the Teraflex 44. Bummer itís not a caster corrected housing but will still be a significant strength upgrade! I run a HD Tera 44 3.5Ē+ housing in the front of my Jeep. It has been solid with a set of heavy 37s.

I donít have a Vector dock in mine but a friend does and it is a great mounting system. Very solid! He ended up not using the tray in the middle because he already had an aftermarket top dash tray that the dock fit over. He used a bunch of 67 Designs mounting clamps and brackets to mount everything. Cell phone and iPad mini, his Baofeng radio, and Go Pro mounts. Pretty sure itís the same company that makes the Vector and 67 Designs products. They arenít giving those 67 Designs mounts away, thatís for sure, but they are sure top quality!

You are going to be really happy with the MC stuff. The springs will be a big upgrade in the ride and control department and the Duroflex joints they designed flex like crazy but maintain the rubber isolation characteristics of the stock arms. Iíve installed a couple Game Changer lifts that use them and they ride so nice!

BTW... Love the classic look of your beadlocks. One of the reason I picked the Ones I did is they had that old school aluminum mag wheel look to me. Yours have that same vibe! Love them.
Thanks for the feedback. So can you educate me on how you know that the Tera44 is not caster corrected? It came from a Teraflex build rental jeep on 37's so Im surprised to hear that its not corrected. I have no idea how to tell or what to look for.

Cant wait to get the MC stuff on the jeep. Im hoping to have it done in a few weeks.
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Thanks for the feedback. So can you educate me on how you know that the Tera44 is not caster corrected? It came from a Teraflex build rental jeep on 37's so Im surprised to hear that its not corrected. I have no idea how to tell or what to look for.

Cant wait to get the MC stuff on the jeep. Im hoping to have it done in a few weeks.
The axle doesn’t have a raised track bar bracket. My understanding when I purchased mine was that all housings that have caster correction were the 3.5” plus housings and would have a raised track bar bracket.

The easy way to tell is the stock axle has 6 degrees of pinion angle/caster separation and the caster corrected axle has an additional 5.8 for a total of 11.8 degrees. If you set pinion angle to 0 degrees then move the angle finder to the machined surface on top of the C casting then it will most likely read 6 degrees. If it’s almost 12 degrees then it has correction.
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The axle doesnít have a raised track bar bracket. My understanding when I purchased mine was that all housings that have caster correction were the 3.5Ē plus housings and would have a raised track bar bracket.

The easy way to tell is the stock axle has 6 degrees of pinion angle/caster separation and the caster corrected axle has an additional 5.8 for a total of 11.8 degrees. If you set pinion angle to 0 degrees then move the angle finder to the machined surface on top of the C casting then it will most likely read 6 degrees. If itís almost 12 degrees then it has correction.

Great info, Thanks. I'll have to check that out when I install it.
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Looks like lots of great progress. I just ordered my 37's last night and am mating them to some Slabs. I love the vector bar and it can handle some weight. I run my 12.9" ipad on it no issue. I use the C sized ball and arm from RAM
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update - 3/8/19
Ended up with some used Nth degree 3.5" springs from a buddy to replace the worn out and really soft Rough Country springs that came with my jeep. I did not realize how much they had sagged until I installed the new springs. I think its not a joke when I say the jeep sits 2" higher then it did. I have a much harder time getting my leg into the jeep then I did two weeks ago. Crazy. However the control of the progressive rate coils and the ride quality is much better. Much less body roll and there just seams to be a level of confidence in the steering that is much better.

Also installed the new Metal Cloak control arms. All I can say is wow. Those are some sweet arms that will last forever. They also allowed me to get my wheels centered much better in the wheel wells and the overall look of the jeep is improved. I will try to post a before and after is I can. So glad I went with MC for these.

Biggest part of the update is the installation of the Tera44 HD housing up front. That was interesting. It was a used axle and I was not sure of the exact specs it. It did turn out great but it required some effort. As was pointed out by RichL35, the axle was the non corrected version. This meant that he track bar location of wrong. So we had to get creative and cutup my Steers Smart bracket and weld it onto the Tera housing to allow the correct geometry for the track bar and the steering dampener. It turned out great, but was some effort. Also turned out that the sensor in the diff was bad so the locker had to come out to allow us to install a new one. That always sucks. but with that installed it was all good and seams to work great.

I also decided to order a matching rear Tera cover for the rear axle to balance the jeep out.

Very happy with the outcome of this latest round of upgrades. There was a lot to do and it worked out awesome. Sorry for the awful picture at the end with the shadows. It has been snowing so much here lately, the mud and salt grim are really bad and its just not worth it to clean it up too much, but I sure can do a better job with the pictures.
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Looks great! She definitely came up some with the new springs. Those MC arms are some of the best on and off road.
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Looks great! She definitely came up some with the new springs. Those MC arms are some of the best on and off road.
So I have put about 7-800 miles on the control arms and springs and I am very happy. Anyone out there on the fence about MC stuff, its all good. Worth every dime!

I need platform shoes to get in the jeep! Ha ha
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Getting my McDonaldís lift on next week. Do you have any jk lean, or did you install any spacers?


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It has a lean but itís not as bad as it was with the RC springs. It might get worse as it settles in.


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It has been a long time since I updated this thread.

I have been mostly just enjoying the jeep. Very little has happened except for adding a bunch of miles to it. I have almost 25k miles on the LS swap and love every day of it. It's a blast to drive and I don't think it will ever get old or boring. The sound alone is worth the cost.

I did get it up on a trail a few weeks ago with my kids and some friends. We had a great time. I was reminded how amazing the 6L80 transmission is off road. The first gear 4:1 makes it possible to stay in 4hi most of the trail. You really only need low for major obstacles. However, in 4 low, you have amazing range. I lost the little poly clip that holds the cable on the shift lever at the tcase so I had to drive into town in low range. I can tell you that its very comfortable to drive 50 MPH in low range. Im not sure what you guys can drive with the stock rubicon transmission and case but I would be surprised if it was 50.

Oh, I did make one mod to the jeep this past week.
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Crappy video.

Oh, did I mention that my lockers were not working.....that was fun. Haha


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It has been a long time since I updated this thread.

I have been mostly just enjoying the jeep. Very little has happened except for adding a bunch of miles to it. I have almost 25k miles on the LS swap and love every day of it. It's a blast to drive and I don't think it will ever get old or boring. The sound alone is worth the cost. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.wranglerforum.com/../images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I did get it up on a trail a few weeks ago with my kids and some friends. We had a great time. I was reminded how amazing the 6L80 transmission is off road. The first gear 4:1 makes it possible to stay in 4hi most of the trail. You really only need low for major obstacles. However, in 4 low, you have amazing range. I lost the little poly clip that holds the cable on the shift lever at the tcase so I had to drive into town in low range. I can tell you that its very comfortable to drive 50 MPH in low range. Im not sure what you guys can drive with the stock rubicon transmission and case but I would be surprised if it was 50.

Oh, I did make one mod to the jeep this past week. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.wranglerforum.com/../images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]

I have an LS3 6l80 4:88 39in tires and the max speed I feel comfortable with in 4L is 30mph.
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I have an LS3 6l80 4:88 39in tires and the max speed I feel comfortable with in 4L is 30mph.
What Tcase are you running?

I am also only running 37's with 4:10's.

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