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Old 11-23-2017, 07:01 PM
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17'Wrangler Audio Upgrade

ive read several threads still cant find a good solid advice on what good all around headunit to go with. basically looking for sub outputs, Navi, Pandora, weather? then a recommendation on adding subwoofer, and new speakers.

I see a lot of people just go with the kickers but that seems not loud/clear enough? I cant seem to find anyone that rocks with the Alpine PSS21WRA Full Sound System Upgrade or anything along those lines.... is it worth the money say from Quadratec?


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Old 11-23-2017, 11:13 PM   #2
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If you where to keep the stock head unit then maybe the kit would work. Because you are looking for a new head unit you are not limited on how to build a system. I could write a book on how to set up a system correctly but it all starts with a budget. Once you have that then you can start building a system but basically it goes like this:

Head Unit - has the features you want, highest pre-out voltage you can get.

Speakers - Get out there and listen to them. You don't need to change sound bar speakers, they are only fill and will play 10db lower than the front speakers.

Amp - Once speakers are selected then you can pick a amp. Amp should be matched to speakers but there are options depending on how to set the system up. Sound bar will be powered by head unit.

Sub - Many options here, it just depends on how much bass you want. Under seat subs are ok but really don't have a lot of thump.

Again it all comes down to money.
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That kit seems to be charging a very high premium for being plug and play, vehicle specific brackets and adapters. My wife and I have pioneer 4200nex head units and they meet your demands, navigation is through apple car play or google auto and Iím happy with them. As for speakers, thatís all dependent on your ears. If youíre not a huge audio guy youíre likely going to be happy with a kit like the alpine(Iíd piece build it off crutchfield or locally). If you are accustomed to high end audio alpine speakers donít have a great reputation.
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One of the things that I have enjoyed about upgrading my audio system is taking small incremental steps so you have time to really consider your choices, and you can hear the benefits with each upgrade.

1. I upgraded the head unit. With the stock speakers the improvement in sound was pretty much non-existent, but I got the improved functionality I wanted and it takes time to learn the features. This will keep you busty for a while.

2. Speaker upgrade. This came a few weeks later. The sound got better especially in stereo separation and finer details. The high power head unit helped a little for when the hard top was open, but still no replacement for having an amp.

PS - I also went with the Pioneer 4200 deck. No real complaints except that I miss having knobs on a head unit. Touch screens need for focus with eyes off the road, but I can do most stuff without looking by now (and steering wheel controls)

2.5 Hard top headliner - This may or may not have a noticeable effect on the sound but I did it for the temperature regulation mostly. I went with the HotHeads Headliner and the product looks great and went in easily.

3. Front channel amp and subwoofer amp. Rear channels will be run off of head unit for fill. These amps are still sitting in boxes in my garage. It was a busy summer. My pre-wiring is mostly done. I just need half a day with decent weather to mount the amps. (All amps are going in the dash)

4. Subwoofer - to be done after amps are in. All the wires will be placed, I'll just need to do a custom enclosure for under the seat and connect the wires.
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I went old school with removable faceplate. JVC marine unit. I decided not to get the touch screen because I didnít want to attract thieves. I love this for many reasons:

1. Screen can be easily seen in the sunlight
2. Removable faceplate
3. SIRIUS,Bluetooth,Pandora,hands free audio,3 preouts
4. Price very cheap
5. Love the little cubby space to put my iPhone in

I will eventually add Hertz amp and Sub box
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I've considered the Alpine system myself, mainly because of the ease of install and not cutting any wiring, my main concern with it is that it doesn't mention anything about correcting the factory head unit for bass roll off. Anybody know if it does that?
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I've considered the Alpine system myself, mainly because of the ease of install and not cutting any wiring, my main concern with it is that it doesn't mention anything about correcting the factory head unit for bass roll off. Anybody know if it does that?
You are correct it will do nothing to correct the signal out of the H/U.

If you goal is to keep the stock H/U and don't want to cut wire or at least make it reversible I would do the following. Price is probably not going to be that much different.

Amp - Audio Control d-4.800

This amp will accept speaker level inputs and because it is also a DSP you can restore the lost base signal. And it has 2 pre-amps out that you could run to a powered sub or another amp to run a sub.

Using this as a starting point you should be able to build a system that requires minimal splicing and can be totally reversible. And in fact if you could source the connectors at the speakers you could make this plug and play.
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I was thinking of going with the LC-6-1200 actually...not sure if the DSP is necessary or not? The LCs do signal summing, bass roll off correction, etc
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The D-4.800 does everything the LC-6-1200 does, other than it is only 4 channel amp compared to 6 plus it is a DSP. It can also be had for about $200 less. Also without a DSP you will never get a stock h/u to sound right IMO. While the base roll off is the biggest issue it does not reproduce a flat signal response across the whole freq ranges, it is all over the place.

And to be honest Line Converters are really a thing of the past considering most DSP's and amp's can accept line level inputs today.
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Sub - Many options here, it just depends on how much bass you want. Under seat subs are ok but really don't have a lot of thump.

Again it all comes down to money.
They do if you put 10" subs under your front seats.

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They do if you put 10" subs under your front seats.

Yes with your setup a 10 or better yet a pair of tens works well. But if you have a 2 door your can't really get it under there without raising the seat. I was mostly talking the 8 inch powered subs that have become so popular.
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Just finished installation of the Alpine pss21wra in my 17 JKUR recon. It was a total pain in the rear. Worth it? I think so because it sounds MUCH better than the stock non-alpine system. Was able to purchase for $929 shipped. I would not have purchased at the full $1300-1400 msrp.

As others have stated, with the factory navigation system / radio it is difficult to dial in the settings so it sounds decent. With some trial and error I got it pretty good... to my ears. It is very bright... some may wish to cut the higher frequencies a bit. To my ears, the front 6.5Ēs sound better than the rear. I believe the sound bar is the culprit to the degradation of the sound from the rear. That plastic housing just sets up some odd resonance - or something. I did purchase and utilize extra stuffing material as what was provided was nowhere near enough. No, it does not sound like a quality home audio setup or a competition sound system. The true, clean lows just arenít going to happen from a small enclosed 8Ē sub. It sounds better and plays way louder than the stock setup, and remains clear at higher volumes. All and all, I think it sounds pretty good for a wrangler.

As others noted - tweeter connections are jacked up. My sub brackets didnít fit just right... had to oblong the holes on the seat to get it to fit correctly. The instructions suck.
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Just finished installation of the Alpine pss21wra in my 17 JKUR recon. It was a total pain in the rear. Worth it? I think so because it sounds MUCH better than the stock non-alpine system. Was able to purchase for $929 shipped. I would not have purchased at the full $1300-1400 msrp.

As others have stated, with the factory navigation system / radio it is difficult to dial in the settings so it sounds decent. With some trial and error I got it pretty good... to my ears. It is very bright... some may wish to cut the higher frequencies a bit. To my ears, the front 6.5Ēs sound better than the rear. I believe the sound bar is the culprit to the degradation of the sound from the rear. That plastic housing just sets up some odd resonance - or something. I did purchase and utilize extra stuffing material as what was provided was nowhere near enough. No, it does not sound like a quality home audio setup or a competition sound system. The true, clean lows just arenít going to happen from a small enclosed 8Ē sub. It sounds better and plays way louder than the stock setup, and remains clear at higher volumes. All and all, I think it sounds pretty good for a wrangler.

As others noted - tweeter connections are jacked up. My sub brackets didnít fit just right... had to oblong the holes on the seat to get it to fit correctly. The instructions suck.
Thanks for your input on this. I was considering this system for convenience but with the issues you had I might as well do it myself with a better amp for less money.
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Thereís nothing wrong with the amp., I think most of the issues are with the factory head unit. Iíve got the sat nav radio in the JK, someone said the equalizer sucks.
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Okay, another update. Dialed in amp settings a bit more when I had more time. In addition, installed Mopar headliner kit. Big difference in audio quality simply from installation. Toyed around with sub settings, with sub 180 degrees out of phase, Iím getting better bass and less booming at certain frequencies. Overall, significantly better than a few days ago.
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Okay, another update. Dialed in amp settings a bit more when I had more time. In addition, installed Mopar headliner kit. Big difference in audio quality simply from installation. Toyed around with sub settings, with sub 180 degrees out of phase, Iím getting better bass and less booming at certain frequencies. Overall, significantly better than a few days ago.
Sometimes wiring the sub out of phase counter acts some of the unwanted bass from the woofers which can be a good thing. And without a good equalizer and RTA is a very easy way to counter the boom.
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Okay. The more it gets played the better itís sounding. As compared to the oem alpine system, I feel the bass isnít quite as good... or maybe as low; but the highs and mids are better. And I certainly would rather the sub be under seat mounted than in the floor of the cargo area. Better yet would be driver side or passenger side along the rear quarter, where the sub was previously installed oem.

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