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Old 10-22-2012, 04:28 AM
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Bulldog Delux 500B Remote starter

Hey everyone I will install this remote start on my 2007 Jk, if anyone has had problems / luck with this product please give me a heads up?

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Don't install a Bulldog! I install alarms and remote starts for a living, and Bulldog is probably my least favorite brand. The wires won't all be long enough, and the quality is horrid. Do yourself a favor and buy a Viper!

Are you doing it yourself? This won't be a simple install, as the new JK's have chipped keys and an unconventional ignition system.

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I've already bought it off eBay but it hasn't shipped yet. I will be installing it myself. I've just found I have to buy and have a XK03 programmed for it to work in my Jk.
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Don't install a Bulldog! I install alarms and remote starts for a living, and Bulldog is probably my least favorite brand. The wires won't all be long enough, and the quality is horrid. Do yourself a favor and buy a Viper!

Are you doing it yourself? This won't be a simple install, as the new JK's have chipped keys and an unconventional ignition system.
Thanks for the heads up on the Bulldog, I was going to buy one, but I think I'll take your advice and go with a Viper. Any specific model that works best for the JK?
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The model of remote starter isn't what will dictate how easy it is to install in your JK. You really just need to make sure you get the correct immobilizer bypass and doorlock interface. UnionThug plans to use an XpressKit XK03; not sure why, as it doesn't appear to work with the JK's... the XK09 maybe. I would recommend using the XpressKit DBALL or the FlashLogic FLCAN; either can be purchased at a local Best Buy or car audio shop, and if you're lucky, they will flash it to the correct firmware and print the wiring info for a small fee. If you know your way around basic DC electronics and can read a wiring schematic, you should be able to figure it out, but I don't recommend doing it yourself unless you've done similar jobs before. Make the wrong connection and you could end up costing yourself thousands in repairs.

If you are looking for an alarm and remote start, check out the Viper 5901/5704. I have it on my Jeep along with a motion sensor and battery backup system, and couldn't be happier.
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The model of remote starter isn't what will dictate how easy it is to install in your JK. You really just need to make sure you get the correct immobilizer bypass and doorlock interface. UnionThug plans to use an XpressKit XK03; not sure why, as it doesn't appear to work with the JK's... the XK09 maybe. I would recommend using the XpressKit DBALL or the FlashLogic FLCAN; either can be purchased at a local Best Buy or car audio shop, and if you're lucky, they will flash it to the correct firmware and print the wiring info for a small fee. If you know your way around basic DC electronics and can read a wiring schematic, you should be able to figure it out, but I don't recommend doing it yourself unless you've done similar jobs before. Make the wrong connection and you could end up costing yourself thousands in repairs.

If you are looking for an alarm and remote start, check out the Viper 5901/5704. I have it on my Jeep along with a motion sensor and battery backup system, and couldn't be happier.
Thanks for the info! Use to install car stereos when I was in college for a dealership, so should be able to handle this install too.
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I was told by Bulldog tech support to look into xko3 interface module. I have installed bulldog before on a couple of other vehicles. I just didn't know how much this product is disliked by jeep. I'm thinking ill try and sell it once I receive it and look for a viper.
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Meh, if you have the Bulldog already, it's not that big of a deal. The brand of starter will not make it easier or harder to install into a JK. I prefer Viper because of their overall quality, which they back with a lifetime warranty if purchased and installed through an authorized dealer.

The XK03 is no longer made by XpressKit, they have switched to all-in-one flashable solutions, like the DBALL. If you did locate the XK03, I don't think it would work, as the Wrangler is not listed in the application chart. If you want to use an XK module, get the XK09 for your 07 Wrangler, or get the DBALL or FLCAN as I stated above.

Fair warning: even if you've installed a remote starter on an older vehicle with standard ignition wiring, you may still run into issues installing it into your JK. Jeep introduced a low current, multiplexed ignition system in 2007, so it's not just hooking up start, ignition, and accessory. Be sure you got the right immobilizer bypass and ensure you fully understand the wiring schematics that come with it... If you do run into issues, PM me and I can try to help you out.
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Thanks eboven,
I realize now it was my rushing to get something with winter approaching I should have posted earlier, never the less if you feel that I could weather this storm then I will attack this in that manner. Can we agree that I should not contact Bulldog tech support again? If I run into problems you will be my go to.
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I think you will overall be happier with a Viper than a Bulldog, but if you are in a hurry to do this before the snow flies, selling it to buy a Viper may take you longer than you have. Like I said, I will do my best helping you should you run into any issues, but I don't generally provide tech support for my job; I just do it, so I may not be the best at explaining complicated circuits.
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I found the below thread on a viper install, might be a good reference if you go the viper route:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f33/201...ss-144557.html
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The only thing I can stress is the bench prep - look over the manual, inspect the vehicle and find the wiring you need, and prep the viper brain and the bypass module accordingly. This step is often where people skimp, and the install's appearance and possibly it's integrity is compromised. Trying to troubleshoot a rats nest in the dash will cost you more if you need to bring it into a shop to diagnose your issues.

Also, I do not recommend the use of connectors like T-Taps or Scotchlocks, especially for the CAN High and CAN Low wires which carry data signals. I solder all my connections for remote starters for a lifetime of use.
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The only thing I can stress is the bench prep - look over the manual, inspect the vehicle and find the wiring you need, and prep the viper brain and the bypass module accordingly. This step is often where people skimp, and the install's appearance and possibly it's integrity is compromised. Trying to troubleshoot a rats nest in the dash will cost you more if you need to bring it into a shop to diagnose your issues.

Also, I do not recommend the use of connectors like T-Taps or Scotchlocks, especially for the CAN High and CAN Low wires which carry data signals. I solder all my connections for remote starters for a lifetime of use.
I noticed you referenced Viper, I thought you were ok with me going Bulldog, being that it is on the way?
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I have focused my search on bypass module
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I noticed you referenced Viper, I thought you were ok with me going Bulldog, being that it is on the way?
Really, it's up to you and what you want installed in your Jeep. If you just want to get something in there to start it, than the Bulldog will do it, and you may not have any issues with it. If you want the best, than Viper is the way to go. I only referenced the Viper again because that's what I'm used to using - it's just second nature at this point.

The one advantage I can think of with the Bulldog is that it comes with an instructional DVD to help you figure out the basics of remote starters. The DVD won't really be all that helpful for your JK because it is not a conventional ignition, so I think you may be in the same boat whichever route you take.

Also, in your search for a bypass module, I would recommend the DBALL over any of the others I have tried. It seems like whenever I have problematic Chryslers, the DBALL seems to work the best. I have used the FLCAN on several as well, and usually don't have any issues, but the success rate may be a bit higher with the DBALL in Chryslers.
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Eboven, I'm about to buy DBall, what I want to know is there a wiring harness for DBall or will I have to hard wire?
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You will need to hardwire your connections from the DBALL to the Jeep. Much of it will be data wiring, so I highly recommend soldering all your connections. Looking at the wiring diagram for the DBALL, you only need to connect 5 or 6 wires to your Jeep, most of the wiring will be between the DBALL and the remote starter brain. If you did decide to get a Viper, you may save some time by using D2D mode for the wiring between the DBALL and the Viper, this saves you lots of connections to be made - only do it if you have a new Viper unit that came in a yellow box, the older blue box vipers did not work reliably in D2D mode.

Edit: I was wrong, there is a T-harness that will save you a few connections into the Jeep. I have never used one, as they really don't save a whole lot of time in the long run, but you could certainly try it out if you'd like.
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Update, I will buy this http://i.ebayimg.com/t/DEI-Xpresskit-DBALL-DB-ALL-w-Firmware-for-YOUR-vehicle-/00/s/MTQwWDE0MA==/$(KGrHqZHJDgE-VFvJF3yBPmu3GgFKg~~60_35.DBall would you happen to have wiring diagram for my 2007 JK Sahara Unlimited?
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To be honest, you don't need a wiring diagram for the Jeep, you just need the installation manual for the DBALL. You can go to XpressKit.com - Interfacing the Past, Present and Future., then on the top right, select your vehicle in the section titled "Find a system that fits your vehicle" This will bring you to a page where you can see all the available bypass modules for your Jeep; the DBALL should be at the top, then just click on the button labeled "Install Guide"

The DBALL's manual shows all the connections needed between the remote start unit and the DBALL, as well as any connections into the actual vehicle. If the module you are buying comes with the firmware pre-loaded, they should also include the installation manual.
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Update, I'm ordering this DBall today and would like to know if you have wiring diagram for my 2007 JK Sahara Unlimited? Oh by the way Im going with the BullDog. Just need a much info as possible about the wiring.
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You asked me that already, and I already gave my answer. You just need the manual for the DBALL, it will tell you about all the connections you need for your Jeep. Once you flash the correct firmware, you can print the specific install instructions for your Jeep and just go off that. If you are buying a DABLL with the Jeep firmware already flashed on it, whoever flashed it should have printed off a manual for it too. Did you try the website I linked to above? You should be able to download the manual there in case you don't get it with the DBALL.
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Sorry about the mix up, for some reason trying hyperlink the post I thought I canceled out went through anyway. Yes sir I did go to the site you posted and I believe I have all I need. Just waiting for DBall to arrive.
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Heyall, I am new to this forum but have seen so many interesting threads... I am currently a jeep liberty guy, but am buying a brand new 13' rubi jku. I want the viper system installed on my new jeep. I went to the website to price it out and when it came to finding the software that's needed they didn't have my year. Closest they had was the 12'. Is this a problem? Or should the audio store use the 12' on my jeep. Also should I stay away from a best buy install and find a audio store who can install viper systems? Thanks
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Heyall, I am new to this forum but have seen so many interesting threads... I am currently a jeep liberty guy, but am buying a brand new 13' rubi jku. I want the viper system installed on my new jeep. I went to the website to price it out and when it came to finding the software that's needed they didn't have my year. Closest they had was the 12'. Is this a problem? Or should the audio store use the 12' on my jeep. Also should I stay away from a best buy install and find a audio store who can install viper systems? Thanks
Well, seeing as I was a Best Buy installer for several years, I would say this: not all Best Buy installers are hack-jobs - I sure wasn't... Go to a couple local Best Buys and talk with the installers. Ask lots of questions and see if they seem like they know their stuff or not; a good installer will make you comfortable with their install before they even do it. Honestly, Best Buy is probably the best place to have it done, as we weren't allowed to use T-Taps or scotchlocks - connections must be soldered - just be sure you find an installer who actually does.

The wiring should be the same for the 12's and 13's, so they should be able to just go off that - we run into that quite often.
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Well, seeing as I was a Best Buy installer for several years, I would say this: not all Best Buy installers are hack-jobs - I sure wasn't... Go to a couple local Best Buys and talk with the installers. Ask lots of questions and see if they seem like they know their stuff or not; a good installer will make you comfortable with their install before they even do it. Honestly, Best Buy is probably the best place to have it done, as we weren't allowed to use T-Taps or scotchlocks - connections must be soldered - just be sure you find an installer who actually does.

The wiring should be the same for the 12's and 13's, so they should be able to just go off that - we run into that quite often.
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