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Old 02-01-2016, 10:19 AM
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Hey guys,
I've spent about an hour searching over this form looking at various CB threads and I've seen lots of options for mounting a CB and suggestions for an antenna but haven't seen anything on recommending the actual CB unit.

I went on my first trail ride this weekend and being without a radio SUCKED! I realized within the first 5 min that was a must have item, but I have zero knowledge on this stuff, so what are y'alls suggestions? I've gathered a 3ft firestick seems to be the best antenna, but am still lost on the actual radio part.

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This depends on what type of radio you want to use in your vehicle, how you want to mount it and what kind of talking distance you want from it. A lot of guys run the Cobra 75. All in one handheld that is super compact and easy to mount anywhere. Works well for vehicle to vehicle communication at close range but honestly doesn't have the talking power for longer distances that larger chassis radios have like say the Cobra 29 does. The Cobra 29 is going to be a whole lot hader to fit into a small Jeep cabin though so there is a definite compromise that will need to be made. Large chassis radios usually have better speakers too. Thats important! You also may want to consider a radio with weather reporting if you spend a lot of time topless. The weather reporting is pretty accurate and helpful.

For my setup I went with a Cobra 25. The smallest of the large chassis radios. I did a little work to increase it's talking ability by opening up Its modulation. Louder is better if you are trying to be heard as long as it isn't too loud. Most stock radios out of the box are poorly set up and don't even meet FCC allowed specs. Radios like the 75 really cant be tuned at all. They are what they are. I run a 3ft firefly and somewhere in between the 2 you will find a small 100w RM Italy Amplifier that is switched on or off by one of my A pillar switches. Yes they are frowned upon as they increase output beyond FCC allowable specs but when you, re 10 miles away from anyone and you need help thus might end up being the only way.

Spend the time to make sure your antenna and mount is grounded properly and adjusted for the best possible SWR and you shouldn't have any issues with communication when offroading in a group. And welcome to the airwaves. By the way... some of the funniest crap I have ever heard on the CB has been during offroading.

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This depends on what type of radio you want to use in your vehicle, how you want to mount it and what kind of talking distance you want from it. A lot of guys run the Cobra 75. All in one handheld that is super compact and easy to mount anywhere. Works well for vehicle to vehicle communication at close range
I don't know if I'd really use it beyond trail riding, but I would like to get some range out of it. I got separated from the group at the beginning of the ride, but thankfully knew my way to the trail head. So like a 3 mile range?

I like the idea of a handheld unit, but I've seen some mounts that hold a larger one on the center bar by the speaker pod and could easily mount a unit there as well. I would just need a little room to feed my frameless strap through to the front and that would give me a bigger range right?
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Hey guys,
I've spent about an hour searching over this form looking at various CB threads and I've seen lots of options for mounting a CB and suggestions for an antenna but haven't seen anything on recommending the actual CB unit.

I went on my first trail ride this weekend and being without a radio SUCKED! I realized within the first 5 min that was a must have item, but I have zero knowledge on this stuff, so what are y'alls suggestions? I've gathered a 3ft firestick seems to be the best antenna, but am still lost on the actual radio part.
I just went through that process and chose the midland radio. it is portable and easy to carry in the center console when not in use, it works great on our expedition trips. This also facilitates install as you just need to deal with the cable and let the cable hidden under the center console until you need to use it.


Here you can see it: MidLand Radio

For cable I chose the Wilson one. The removable tip is extremely useful to facilitate install and going through all those small holes in the back gate.

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Is there an advantage of the midland over the cheaper Uniden's?
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I just installed one this weekend for my BIL. He picked up a complete setup, Cobra 29, all cable, 4' firestik 2 and all mounts for like $179 from one of the online CB places. Easy install. It was in a chevy pickup. Had to run some wire as access to the cab isn't as easy as the jeep. A little tuning and he was picking up guys 7 to 8 miles away right in the driveway. I pieced mine together and have the cheapest little cobra 19 I could get. 4' firestik and works great for what I use it for.
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[QUOTE=RichL35;23837593] I run a 3ft firefly and somewhere in between the 2 you will find a small 100w RM Italy Amplifier that is switched on or off by one of my A pillar switches. Yes they are frowned upon as they increase output beyond FCC allowable specs but when you, re 10 miles away from anyone and you need help thus might end up being the only way.
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They are so frowned upon that the FCC can give you a hefty ($10,000) fine plus some jail time if the want to push it. It's also not needed, a well done CB setup will generally go 5 miles and longer depending on terrain.

Please don't recommend illegal activity.

To the OP, smaller, less expensive radios to look for; Cobra 19DX, Midland 1001, Uniden 510 or 520. All will work fine and have the same range as a larger radio. An option you might consider is finding a model that also receives the weather channels,
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Thanks guys. One question I have is how do you power the chassis radios? I see the handhelds plug into the cigarette lighter. Do you have to wire it into anything? I've never done anything like that, so the increased cost of a handheld might be worth it to me if I don't have to rip the dash out to wire everything in.
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Thanks guys. One question I have is how do you power the chassis radios? I see the handhelds plug into the cigarette lighter. Do you have to wire it into anything? I've never done anything like that, so the increased cost of a handheld might be worth it to me if I don't have to rip the dash out to wire everything in.
you should wire a CB straight to the battery to help prevent picking up interference from your vehicles electrical system.
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you should wire a CB straight to the battery to help prevent picking up interference from your vehicles electrical system.
So that's the advantage of the handhelds, no wiring needed, just plug and play (once you get the antenna tuned).

How hard is it to do the wiring?
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Handheld radios are a PITA to use due to the cabling and their weight compared to just holding a microphone.

My personal preference over any of them is either Uniden or Midland, with my choice having been the Uniden Pro-520XL. It sells for $50 or under and is one of the most popular CBs out there because of its reliability and quality.

You don't need a big tall antenna for offroad use either, I started with a 4' but that was too tall to get into my garage so I went to a 3' but have been using a 2' for 12-14 years now. The 2' doesn't get in the way and I get strong signal reports from everyone in even very large spread out groups. The particular antenna I use is the Firestick FS-2 which is a great little antenna that doesn't gives any problems.

The key to getting a CB working properly is getting the antenna installed properly and getting its length set properly so the CB can put as much power out into the air as it is capable of. So when you're ready to install your antenna, come back here and we'll give you some help that will be critical to insuring it works well.
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Handheld radios are a PITA to use due to the cabling and their weight compared to just holding a microphone.
I use the Midland handheld and found myself changing channels by mistake when holding it. Then I bought a Cobra mic/speaker combo and plugged it in the handheld and now just hold that. Of course, now I found out that you can lock the keys from inadvertent presses! I like the ability to store the radio out of the way in the center console. With mine plugged into the accessory outlet in the center console, I have not experienced any noise attributed to engine interference, although on rough trails the plug might vibrate loose and turn the radio off without you realizing. I wheel with quite a few people who use the Midland or Cobra handhelds. All choices have pros and cons.
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You don't need a big tall antenna for offroad use either, I started with a 4' but that was too tall to get into my garage so I went to a 3' but have been using a 2' for 12-14 years now. The 2' doesn't get in the way and I get strong signal reports from everyone in even very large spread out groups. The particular antenna I use is the Firestick FS-2 which is a great little antenna that doesn't gives any problems.
How far of a range do you get with a 2ft? I was looking at getting the 3, but shorter would be nice.
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This weekend I used my new Cobra HH Roadtrip for the first time in a group run and was very pleased with it.

The Roadtrip version comes with an external magnet mounted ant, or can be used with the small flexable mobil ant.

I zip tied the unit to the driver side sport bar and ran the cable for ext ant along the sport bar out the front of the door jam, and placed it on the hood in front of me. I put a small micro fiber rag under it to help protect the paint.

The access here was perfect. Speaker was right by my head so I could hear it well, rather than down at the center counsel. It stayed in place. And to talk I only had to reach my left hand up to push the PIT button. I did speak loudly because I'm not sure how well eveyone else was hearing me. But in a line of 23 vehicles where I was toward the back, the lead vehicle seemed to hear me fine.

I don't know the range but I'm sure I was picking up further than I was putting out.

I just ran it on the AA batts. You can also run a cord to a power outlet.

**I would not rely on a unit like this for safety or emergency purpose, but for trail communication it is fine**
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I run the Cobra 75... It's compact, and doesn't take up a huge amount of cabin space... I'll take pictures of my setup, when I get there..

I also run a lot of the Firestik antenna and cables. I went with the 4 ft 900w antenna.
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I run a 3ft firefly and somewhere in between the 2 you will find a small 100w RM Italy Amplifier that is switched on or off by one of my A pillar switches. Yes they are frowned upon as they increase output beyond FCC allowable specs but when you, re 10 miles away from anyone and you need help thus might end up being the only way.
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They are so frowned upon that the FCC can give you a hefty ($10,000) fine plus some jail time if the want to push it. It's also not needed, a well done CB setup will generally go 5 miles and longer depending on terrain.

Please don't recommend illegal activity.

To the OP, smaller, less expensive radios to look for; Cobra 19DX, Midland 1001, Uniden 510 or 520. All will work fine and have the same range as a larger radio. An option you might consider is finding a model that also receives the weather channels,
I believe you will not find anywhere in my post to the OP that I recommended him to run out and purchase a linear amplifier. I did no such thing. I did however list what I have installed in my Jeep not as a suggestion but as an example. I also dare you to find in public record the last time the FCC has tracked down a mobil linear amplifier of a measly 100w broadcasting on a 11 meter frequency. I know stations broadcasting with steel tetrode amplifiers pushing more than 8K through 8 element beams and they don't care.
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How far of a range do you get with a 2ft? I was looking at getting the 3, but shorter would be nice.
Far enough that I never consider reinstalling the 3' and 4' antennas I still have. I'd only consider the 2' too short if I was some kind of a CB nut/enthusiast looking to talk long distances for fun. For typical offroad use, the 2' is more than enough.
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anyone have any thoughts on the Midland 75-822 40 Channel CB-Way Radio?
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You'll get tired of holding that in your hand all the time. 3.5 x 2.75 x 1.5 Inches. And you have to hold it because the speaker is small. For half the price get the Midland 1001Z or a Uniden 510/520.
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anyone have any thoughts on the Midland 75-822 40 Channel CB-Way Radio?
I myself have no trouble with it. It doesn't tire me out, I prop it up in a cup holder and can hear it fine. I'm not constantly talking on it. I don't lead trail rides so I just listen to directions and heads ups as I'm following along. And ask the occasional question for clarification. I don't chat On mine just for the sake of talking. Idid run mine to a permanent antenna (fire stick FS-3) installation couldn't be easier, and I work in a city, so having it hidden was up on my list of wants. I get really good signal reports. If you have a DD that is an occasional off-road machine this radio is a good option.
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i myself have no trouble with it. It doesn't tire me out, i prop it up in a cup holder and can hear it fine. I'm not constantly talking on it. I don't lead trail rides so i just listen to directions and heads ups as i'm following along. And ask the occasional question for clarification. I don't chat on mine just for the sake of talking. Idid run mine to a permanent antenna (fire stick fs-3) installation couldn't be easier, and i work in a city, so having it hidden was up on my list of wants. I get really good signal reports. If you have a dd that is an occasional off-road machine this radio is a good option.
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Does the Midland unit have PA functionality too? With the Uniden I can install a $15 speaker and have a little fun when I'm not using the CB
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Does the Midland unit have PA functionality too? With the Uniden I can install a $15 speaker and have a little fun when I'm not using the CB
if you want to do that,I'd go with the uniden.
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Does the Midland unit have PA functionality too? With the Uniden I can install a $15 speaker and have a little fun when I'm not using the CB
No CB I've ever seen had enough audio power (wattage) available to really make it an effective PA system, I would not include having a PA function as an important requirement. You'd be very disappointed in its volume capability.

The above recommendation for Uniden for PA use is the CB brand I use and even its PA system is just a joke, it's not powerful enough to even have a little fun with. It would never be confused with a real PA system like is on a cop car.
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I zip tied the unit to the driver side sport bar and ran the cable for ext ant along the sport bar out the front of the door jam, and placed it on the hood in front of me. I put a small micro fiber rag under it to help protect the paint.

The access here was perfect. Speaker was right by my head so I could hear it well, rather than down at the center counsel. It stayed in place. And to talk I only had to reach my left hand up to push the PTT button. I did speak loudly because I'm not sure how well eveyone else was hearing me. In a line of 23 vehicles where I was toward the back, the lead vehicle seemed to hear me fine.

If anyone was interested in using a handheld, here is a pic of how I strapped mine to the sport bar. Never have to handle the unit at all.
I could take some time to route the ant cable better. Did this in a hurry.
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If anyone was interested in using a handheld, here is a pic of how I strapped mine to the sport bar. Never have to handle the unit at all.
I could take some time to route the ant cable better. Did this in a hurry.
I like that a lot actually. I'd probably mount it a little closer to the front on the sport bar but that location is pretty ideal.
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Question for you guys running the HH. Do you use a "temporary" antenna each time, i.e. one of those magnetic base types that you can add and remove each time or do you affix an antenna to the Jeep and run the wiring to the cab and connect the radio to it when you are planning to use it?
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For me, I plan to only use the mag removable antenna. I am only using the CB for trail communication and only need 3 ~ 5 mile range.

A mounted antenna will improve your receiving range, but does it also improve your tranmission range? I don't know the answer to that. I believe HH's can only put out a limited amount of power and the best antenna may not help.

If a mounted antenna does improve the transmission,Then I might decide to go with one.
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If a different antenna improves reception, it will also improve its transmission range. A better antenna helps the most when the transmitter puts out a marginal amount of power and thus needs all the help it can get.
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For me, I plan to only use the mag removable antenna. I am only using the CB for trail communication and only need 3 ~ 5 mile range.
I know people will tell you theirs will do this but this is A LOT to ask of a regular CB even under perfect conditions. Deep in the woods and hills you will be lucky to get 1 mile with a perfectly tuned system.

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