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Old 09-04-2012, 03:43 PM
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Cobra 75WX ST vs. Midland 75-822

I haven't used a CB radio since the80's, or was it the 70's, anyway here are the questions:

I like the form factor of these two radios, small, easily removed, hidden, full featured. Priced about the same.

Are these CB's going to provide good performance?
Which CB would be the better choice?

I have a 2012 JKU Sahara and like the tail gate mount antenna from an appearance standpoint.

Is this a good mounting location?
What antenna would be a good choice?
Are antenna quick disconnects a good or bad idea?

It's been a long time since I thought about Cb radios, thanks for your input


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Hello

A member recently wrote a thread that may be informative to you. Im on my tablet, so I cant link it, but its called "Basic cb radio buyers guide", scroll down in this forum or search the name.

Tailgate is OK, so long as it is high enough. Higher is better, ideally 60% above the roof, but thats not really good offroading.

A 108" antenna gives best performance, but whips people.
A small window antenna gives the most subtle appearance, and horrid performance.
A 3 or 4 foot Firestik or Wilson Flex seem to be the top choices for Jeepers.

Quick discos are great, if you want to frequently attach/detach/switch antennas. Otherwise it will likely give you a lil trouble tuning it, but nothing too bad.

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A member recently wrote a thread that may be informative to you. Im on my tablet, so I cant link it, but its called "Basic cb radio buyers guide", scroll down in this forum or search the name.

Tailgate is OK, so long as it is high enough. Higher is better, ideally 60% above the roof, but thats not really good offroading.

A 108" antenna gives best performance, but whips people.
A small window antenna gives the most subtle appearance, and horrid performance.
A 3 or 4 foot Firestik or Wilson Flex seem to be the top choices for Jeepers.

Quick discos are great, if you want to frequently attach/detach/switch antennas. Otherwise it will likely give you a lil trouble tuning it, but nothing too bad.
Thanks, read the link. I hope people with each radio will comment on their likes & dislikes.
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I know theres a few in jeeps on here, so hopefully they will. I havent used either, so I cant give ya a comparison of em. Sorry. But for trail rides I understand both fit the bill nicely, and the most important factor is a quality antenna well tuned.
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They are a toss up for me at the moment, that's why I want to hear other opinions. Regarding the behind the spare antenna mount, I was read in another forum that this is the worst possible location for antenna efficiency. I don't like the underhood/cowl mount from an appearance standspoint, what other locations are people using on Jk's?
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Mechanically speaking the only good spot for an antenna on a Jeep is the hood, followed by the front bumper. It has to do with ground plane and SWR tuning, so yea, that spot isnt so good. But being next to the tailgate or lower on the body is worse. Still, talking CB, youre not getting 5+ miles no matter what you do, so we compromise. If you can get it as high as possible and tuned under 2 youre doing OK.
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Do you know of any purchasable antenna mounts that mount on the CHMSL stalk? This would be as high a mount as possible. If not I'm looking at the mount between the spare tire and tail gate. Would a 2 - 3 mile range be possible from that location with a 4' Wilson antenna?
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I'm not sure why mounting by the tailgate is bad. Think about it - if you get one of the taillight mounts, there's not enough metal above the tub to interfere with an antenna in any meaningful way, unless you have some kind of magical steel hard top - for grounding, either add a ground strap or just ensure there's good bare metal contact all the way from the antenna to the bolts going into the tub like I did. Cobra 75 and a 3' Firestik on a Teraflex taillight mount works great for me.
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I dont, but I would bolt a small plate to that riser and mount from it. Make sure to ground strap everything up to the frame. Power straight from the battery, even to an user installed 12v plug. Much cleaner than cig lighter or accy panel.

I would think you should get 4+ setup like that, especially if you could get it tuned well.
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I'm not sure why mounting by the tailgate is bad. Think about it - if you get one of the taillight mounts, there's not enough metal above the tub to interfere with an antenna in any meaningful way, unless you have some kind of magical steel hard top - for grounding, either add a ground strap or just ensure there's good bare metal contact all the way from the antenna to the bolts going into the tub like I did. Cobra 75 and a 3' Firestik on a Teraflex taillight mount works great for me.
Not about good or bad - Its about what works best. If it works for you, glad to hear it.

A higher antenna will always give better range.
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I'm leaning toward a Cobra 75wxst with a 3' Wilson flex antenna. I saw a mount by Arizona Rocky Road, that puts the mount just above the CHMSL, on the right side, but the price seems too high. I also want to have a quick disconnect for the antenna, but that needs more research.
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After all the discussion, I decided on the Midland 75-822 with a Lil Wil antenna. They should arrive tomorrow, and I'm going out on Saturday with a group to Bundy Hill, a Local(?) ORV park for the day. Pictures and a review after I get back.
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I'm leaning toward a Cobra 75wxst with a 3' Wilson flex antenna. I saw a mount by Arizona Rocky Road, that puts the mount just above the CHMSL, on the right side, but the price seems too high. I also want to have a quick disconnect for the antenna, but that needs more research.
I agree his prices seem pretty high - especially for shipping. But at least it is made in USA - and it is the highest mount available I have seen.
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I agree his prices seem pretty high - especially for shipping. But at least it is made in USA - and it is the highest mount available I have seen.
I bought a Lil Wil magnet mount , so it's a moot point. I did go back to his site, and I misread his prices. The mount alone is about $28. I was looking at a combination of the mount, antenna and cable for $97, which I misread as the mount price. If the Lil Wil doesn't work to my satisfaction, or if I decide to go more permanent, I'll give him another look. The mount does get the antenna base up above the wheel and tailgate.
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I'm not sure why mounting by the tailgate is bad. Think about it - if you get one of the taillight mounts, there's not enough metal above the tub to interfere with an antenna in any meaningful way, unless you have some kind of magical steel hard top - for grounding, either add a ground strap or just ensure there's good bare metal contact all the way from the antenna to the bolts going into the tub like I did. Cobra 75 and a 3' Firestik on a Teraflex taillight mount works great for me.
I'm not an expert on this, but my read is that mounting the base of the antenna between the spare wheel and the tailgate(Terraflex or Quadratech mount) will cut off the ground plane(or something like that) and limit the antenna's range. There is a post in another, unnamed, forum with an extensive write up on this very subject.
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I bought a Lil Wil magnet mount , so it's a moot point. I did go back to his site, and I misread his prices. The mount alone is about $28. I was looking at a combination of the mount, antenna and cable for $97, which I misread as the mount price. If the Lil Wil doesn't work to my satisfaction, or if I decide to go more permanent, I'll give him another look. The mount does get the antenna base up above the wheel and tailgate.
I just want the mount. With shipping its $37. You can find the other parts together much cheaper
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First report on the Midland 75-822 radio with a Little Wil magnet mount antenna:

The radio & antenna arrived on time from Amazon. The antenna was missing the set screw to tighten the mast to the base. Pressed for time went out and bought one,(10-24 Allen screw). The radio came with one of the battery packs installed on the radio. FYI there were no batteries in either battery pack, you have to provide them. The installed battery pack was stuck on the radio, it was a PITA to remove. Once removed, putting the battery packs or the car adapter on was easy. Next I calibrated the antenna. The best I could do was a reading of 2.1 on channel 1, 1.9 on channel 40. The best calibration of this antenna centered on an SWR reading of 2.0. There was no immediate radio traffic to listen to, so transmission and reception evaluations will have to wait until tommorrow.
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Where is that lil guy mounted?

Its 2.1 on 1, 2.0 on 19, and 1.9 on 40?
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Where is that lil guy mounted?

Its 2.1 on 1, 2.0 on 19, and 1.9 on 40?
He's right in the middle of the hood. directly behind the hood tie down bracket.

Yes the middle channels are between the two. I could reverse the SWR readings, ie: 1.8 on 1; 2.2 on 40 by moving the antenna up or down. I checked channels 10, 20 & 30 after setting 1 & 40, they were always between the upper and lower channel, as I would expect. After more than an hour of putzing, I got tired of the process & quit with the SWR readings quoted.
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The Midland 75-822 is my favorite trail CB that I've ever used. So versatile..
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The Midland 75-822 is my favorite trail CB that I've ever used. So versatile..
I'm impressed so far. Haven't used it though.
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Fwiw, you can get your swr performance a little better for full band if you tune an inverse bell curve with the middle being ch 19. Basically set it as low as you can get it on 19, then 40 and 1 are the same distance "out of tune". Even better if you tune for your specific off road channel.

Maybe a ground strap from the hood would get it down? 2 seems high to me for the center of the hood, but you should be good to go for trail rides.
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The Midland radio worked very well. It's small, has a reasonable speaker for a stock Jeep. There is a permanent clip on the radio which easily clipped to my seat belt, making it easy to find and use. There is an optional head set with a mic and ear phone, if I think I need it, probably won't. Played with the various buttons, they all work as advertised, probably more of a gimmick than anything else. Reception & transmission were good for the trail ride we were on. No clue on range, we were no more than a mile apart in the ORV park. Not happy that the antenna was delivered missing the set screw to attach the mast, or that the SWR would not come below 2.0 (average across all channels). I did check the Jeep's hood for ground and it is grounded from the factory, I found the ground strap & it is intact. I'm probably going to complain about the antenna & see what Amazon will do.

All in all a good radio buy at $75. Shipping was free. Antenna at $47 is still up in the air. I'll see what the response is to the problems.
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I have both CBs and prefer the Midland. I like the way it fits in my hand much more than the Cobra. Its button layout "feels" more intuitive and I don't find myself searching with my fingers for the correct button. Its power options (12v, rechargeable) are suitable to removing the unit from the cab in a pinch.

The Cobra feels way too bulky for my hands-- I know this totally comes down to personal preference, though, but it feels like it's going to pop out of my grip on every bump. Its noise reduction ability (whatever Cobra calls it) is much, much better than the Midland's (again in my opinion). I thought I'd like the hardwired box of the Cobra to keep the exposed wiring to a minimum, but in the end, that extra convenience isn't worth the uncomfortable feel of the handset.
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I will say this Stan, when we were out Saturday Mark came through with a bit more Fidelity. Your transmissions seemed louder but had inherent distortion. Not clipping from overly high amplitude but it did have a slightly fuzzier quality to it. Granted it was louder than Mark or Paul came through.

That's what I noticed.
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Thanks Hazard! I returned my antenna, couldn't get the SWR below 2.0. That may have something to do with it. Replacement due tomorrow. I'm thinking about going on the ORJ fall color tour at the end of the month. Another chance to try it out.
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Used my Midland 75-822 on the Thumb Jeeps trail ride. Very happy with this cb.
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Used my Midland 75-822 on the Thumb Jeeps trail ride. Very happy with this cb.
What antenna did you settle with? Thanks!
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What antenna did you settle with? Thanks!
I have a Lil' Will from Wilson antenna. It's a magnet mount that I put in the center of my hood, behind the tie down bracket. I run the antenna wire in the passenger door, between the door seal in the upper corner. One thing I found out about this antenna, and perhaps others is that you should not loop the excess cable and tie it together. By letting the excess wire route loosely under the passenger seat, I get lower SWR than when I have it bundled tightly together.

I went with a magnet mount because the only time I use the CB is when I go on trail rides with other Jeepers. I also found that some groups use FRS radios rather than CB's, so I didn't want to spend a lot of time and money on a more permanent antenna mount.

I use the 12v adaptor and plug the radio into the 12v power inside the center console. I also run the antenna cable in the center console on the passenger side to make the antenna connection. To date I have not even tried the radio as a handheld radio.

The combination of the Midland 75-822 & the Lil' Will antenna works well for my needs & I'm happy.
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I have a Lil' Will from Wilson antenna. It's a magnet mount that I put in the center of my hood, behind the tie down bracket. I run the antenna wire in the passenger door, between the door seal in the upper corner. One thing I found out about this antenna, and perhaps others is that you should not loop the excess cable and tie it together. By letting the excess wire route loosely under the passenger seat, I get lower SWR than when I have it bundled tightly together.

I went with a magnet mount because the only time I use the CB is when I go on trail rides with other Jeepers. I also found that some groups use FRS radios rather than CB's, so I didn't want to spend a lot of time and money on a more permanent antenna mount.

I use the 12v adaptor and plug the radio into the 12v power inside the center console. I also run the antenna cable in the center console on the passenger side to make the antenna connection. To date I have not even tried the radio as a handheld radio.

The combination of the Midland 75-822 & the Lil' Will antenna works well for my needs & I'm happy.
Thanks for the reply...Is there any movement with magnet; scratching the hood?

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