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Old 10-25-2019, 07:30 AM
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I’m beginning my investigation into comms for riding with others (new Jeeper). I’ve had people tell me that handhelds are crap. I was surprised to hear that in this day and age. I don’t really want to have a CB unit taking up precious space. Any info based on experience is needed. Thanks.

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Handheld CB have extremely inefficient antenna's and you have to hold them to hear them. (dash/vent clips help) FRS is the same, just shorter range.

Best bet, install a CB, there are some rather small ones available. get creative with mounting to place it out of the way.

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IMO check with the club you'll be riding with to see what kind of radio they use. One of our clubs uses FRS, the other uses a CB.

I've had no luck with handheld CBs but the hand held FRS does good enough to get us from front to back of 11-12 rig ride.

I use a full size CB (Cobra 29) in my rig, but the wife uses the smaller Cobra 75. The 75 seems to do well enough, and mounts out of the way.

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IMO check with the club you'll be riding with to see what kind of radio they use. One of our clubs uses FRS, the other uses a CB.

I've had no luck with handheld CBs but the hand held FRS does good enough to get us from front to back of 11-12 rig ride.

I use a full size CB (Cobra 29) in my rig, but the wife uses the smaller Cobra 75. The 75 seems to do well enough, and mounts out of the way.
Thanks for the info and photos. Yeah, that big one on the dash is not for me. But I will look into smaller one. What is a FRS?
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FRS is a "private, two-way, short-distance voice and data communications service for facilitating family and group activities."
"The FRS is authorized 22 channels in the 462 MHz and 467 MHz range, all of which are shared with GMRS"

Completely different type of radio than a CB. So check with the club you're riding with to see what type of radio they use
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FRS or Family Radio Service are the little walkie talkies that you can buy at any box store.
Go to any campground any weekend and good luck trying to use them.
Every parent gave their kid one as they rode off on their bicycles.
In a noncongested area they do actually work pretty good, they are FM but only 2watts.

GMRS General Mobile Radio Service, better than FRS as it mostly gets bumped up to 5watts, upper channels with a hardwired radio and external antenna can go up to 50watts.
Still FM, license is required but no test you just have to pay for it.


If you want a small remote style CB I love my Uniden CMX-760
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That's a nice Uniden. I will check that out. Thanks.
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CBs don't have to take up "precious space" if you don't mount them in an area that could be considered precious.

I moved my CB then my ham radio up above the mirror over 20 years ago where it's out of the way yet very convenient and easier to hear and control than in other locations.

This is how I mounted mine in my two TJs... above the mirror and out of the way. THe steel bar used to support the two ham radios in the second photo is my current setup. It requires no drilling to install and it hides the wiring inside, it's made by http://www.arizonarockyroad.com/radiomounts.html

And X2 to the advice to avoid hand-held radios inside the Jeep. They're a PITA to use for reasons including they're usually connected to a source of power and external antenna which means they have cables connected to them, not to mention they're just not as handy. And if you have a passenger with you, where do you put it where it won't be either in the way or where it won't fall onto the floor.

And for what type of radio, 99.9% of the trail ride groups run CB radios. Yes there are newer higher tech radios but you have to use what everyone else has you're offroading with is using or you'll be left out. I have both CB and ham radios in my Jeep but my CB is the radio I use the vast majority of the time. Rarely do I use my ham radio since not many Jeepers are also hams. Fewer yet use FRS or GMRS radios. So if you want the best odds of being able to talk with those you're wheeling with, go with a CB. Unless you join a club that has standardized on something else then install what they're using.
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CBs don't have to take up "precious space" if you don't mount them in an area that could be considered precious.

I moved my CB then my ham radio up above the mirror over 20 years ago where it's out of the way yet very convenient and easier to hear and control than in other locations.

This is how I mounted mine in my two TJs... above the mirror and out of the way. THe steel bar used to support the two ham radios in the second photo is my current setup. It requires no drilling to install and it hides the wiring inside, it's made by ARIZONA ROCKY ROAD ANTENNA MOUNTS FOR JEEP WRANGLER, UNLIMITED AND LIBERTY

And X2 to the advice to avoid hand-held radios inside the Jeep. They're a PITA to use for reasons including they're usually connected to a source of power and external antenna which means they have cables connected to them, not to mention they're just not as handy. And if you have a passenger with you, where do you put it where it won't be either in the way or where it won't fall onto the floor.

And for what type of radio, 99.9% of the trail ride groups run CB radios. Yes there are newer higher tech radios but you have to use what everyone else has you're offroading with is using or you'll be left out. I have both CB and ham radios in my Jeep but my CB is the radio I use the vast majority of the time. Rarely do I use my ham radio since not many Jeepers are also hams. Fewer yet use FRS or GMRS radios. So if you want the best odds of being able to talk with those you're wheeling with, go with a CB. Unless you join a club that has standardized on something else then install what they're using.

Thanks so much for the great info. It does make sense that most people would be using CBs. I think I'm going to invest in a small one I can tuck somewhere like behind the glove or something and then have all the controls on the mic. That makes the most sense for the outfitted, but open cockpit I'm trying to build.
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If you are only going to use the CB on trail rides, then a removable mount might be acceptable for your rig. This is the mount I use for my 510XL: https://www.quadratec.com/products/96080_212.htm
The radio is out of the way of the wife, yet is available to both of us during a ride. After the ride, the only thing left in the jeep is the little horizontal bracket for the mount with the wing nuts that sticks out from the base of the center console an inch or so. (2nd picture in the link.) The radio with the mount still attached go on a shelf in the garage. The power and antenna wires tuck up under the center dash out of sight until the next ride. They make on for a full size radio like a 29 but I went with the smaller 510XL.
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The group I ride with uses CB along with a few at the front and rear that use ham radios to be sure they can reach each other when CB's can't. I carry both so listen into all comms.

My CB is a Midland 75-822 that can be used as a portable handheld with a battery pack adapter or plugged into the power outlet in the Jeep. It is connected to the antenna and power so there are cables running through the cockpit. It mounts to the glove box handle as shown above in Blue Baby Sound's installation. When not in use I store it under the passenger seat along with the extra cabling so they are out of the way. The ham is a portable Baofeng handheld that can lay in the passenger seat and still picks up all comms on the ham channel we use.

A sports car club I used to belong to used the GMRS and they worked better than the CB's and didn't need the long antennas. But do not work as well in the hills as the ham does.
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Cobra 75WXST is a good one to go with.

The radio is in the mic and it connects to a small interface box that the antenna plugs into and that mounts in a small, out of the way space.

In my Jeep, I now run a Cobra 75 and a Kenwood TM-V71a ham rig.
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I have a radio that is like the Uniden CMX-760, it fits inside the center console though it is a pain to install. It does not take up a lot of room and it is out of sight. Mine is current defunct and will be install the Uniden sometime this winter.
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Cobra 75WXST is a good one to go with.

The radio is in the mic and it connects to a small interface box that the antenna plugs into and that mounts in a small, out of the way space.

In my Jeep, I now run a Cobra 75 and a Kenwood TM-V71a ham rig.
The biggest problem I have with the Cobra 75WXST radio is its TINY 1" speaker located inside the microphone, it just doesn't put out enough volume for when things are a little noisy like if the top is flapping or the top is off. To fix that issue it needs an external speaker which mostly negates its purpose.

The other is if you need to replace just the microphone, you won't find any at your local truck stops.
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Jerry, my hearing is so bad that any internal speaker isn't loud enough. I run external speakers for both my radio's. They are mounted behind me on the sound bar.
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I have a Uniden Pro520XL CB in my Jeep and a Cobra 75 WX ST in my "other" 4x4.

Both are decent radios. I have no complaints about either.

The Cobra 75 actually has more features, hides away completely out of sight, and the speaker works just fine - as long as one isn't blasting down the road at 70 mph with the top down, in which case it would be hard to hear any CB without an external speaker.

While its true that one can't replace the Cobra 75 handset at just any truck stop, one may not be able to replace the mic for a Uniden 510/520 either because those require a 4-pin "electret" type mic whereas the mics typically found at truck stops are usually the "dynamic" type. Regardless, factory parts for either radio can be obtained overnight or within a day via Amazon Prime - even if one is away from home.
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Iím beginning my investigation into comms for riding with others (new Jeeper). Iíve had people tell me that handhelds are crap. I was surprised to hear that in this day and age. I donít really want to have a CB unit taking up precious space. Any info based on experience is needed. Thanks.
Hey there. I've been doing commo for many years, professionally I am electronics/electrical, and federally certified in both fields. You've gotten a ton of advice already. But I'll add a few things for you.

#1 - Crappy gear makes for crappy communications.

#2 - the antenna is everything. A fair radio on a good antenna will work. A $20,000 Hilberling PT-8000 with a damp spaghetti noodle for a antenna will not work.

For CB radio, I highly recommend the Cobra 75-WXST. I have seen many of them, and only one was bad from the factory. They just work, and they don't take up much room. Remember a GOOD antenna, and install it properly. That cannot be stressed enough.

FRS has severe limitations. Half-watt and fixed (poor) antennas. Not much range, don't trust your life to them. Ok for very short range (don't believe the distances they claim).

GMRS is a step up from FRS. Good radios are $$$, license is $$$. Depending on where you live, GMRS may or may not be popular enough to be worth the cost and effort. Don't trust you life to one out here, we'll send flowers when they find you. GMRS is pretty much a wasteland out here. Operationally, GMRS and HAM-UHF are about equal.

Ham Radio is another step up. Good radios are $$$, license is one time $ (cheap), then renewable every 10 years for free. You do have to pass a test. I just saw an 11 y/o boy pass, how hard can it be? Depending on where you live, HAM will almost certainly have someone active, and have access to one (or more) repeaters. Even in the darkest corners of Big Bend National Park, where Cell Phone, CB, FRS and GMRS were a total wasteland, I was still able to bring up a ham radio repeater and get rangers out to rescue a stranded driver. Remember the GOOD antennas! Antenna-antenna-antenna!!!!!

I don't want to start a flame war. In the end it is your $$$$, your decision, and potentially your life in the balance. You're right to ask and learn so you can make an informed decision. I'll be happy to give you a hand, PM me if I can help. And if you're local, I'll help you learn how to install it all correctly too. The installation doesn't have to look crappy, and done right it is totally reliable and functional.



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IMO check with the club you'll be riding with to see what kind of radio they use. One of our clubs uses FRS, the other uses a CB.

I've had no luck with handheld CBs but the hand held FRS does good enough to get us from front to back of 11-12 rig ride.

I use a full size CB (Cobra 29) in my rig, but the wife uses the smaller Cobra 75. The 75 seems to do well enough, and mounts out of the way.

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Not to hijack the thread but, since I agree with everything you just said, all I want to know is what mount you're using for the handsets pictured. I like it.
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Not to hijack the thread but, since I agree with everything you just said, all I want to know is what mount you're using for the handsets pictured. I like it.
That's the JeepUniq mount, love it. LINK
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That's the JeepUniq mount, love it. LINK
Yes, I saw and wanted one for a while but was put off by the price. I finally pulled the trigger a month ago. Mine is the similar to yours except it holds a Midland 75-822 (belt style clip) and my Yaesu FT-60R. Love it! Should have bought this mount back when I first got my ticket.
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Uniden CMX-760, speaker in the remote mic and an external jack on the base unit.
I have my base hidden under the passenger seat, Mic hanging on the dash and an external speaker under the climate controls.
If you don't know what to look for you'd have no idea what it was.
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Correct me if im wrong but I believe the Cobra 75 WRX has an external speaker jack on the interface box.
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Correct me if im wrong but I believe the Cobra 75 WRX has an external speaker jack on the interface box.
Yes, it does and Yes, I have one connected to it.
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Yes, I saw and wanted one for a while but was put off by the price. I finally pulled the trigger a month ago. Mine is the similar to yours except it holds a Midland 75-822 (belt style clip) and my Yaesu FT-60R. Love it! Should have bought this mount back when I first got my ticket.
Yeah, that's some sticker shock. I wonder if they do Black Friday sales.
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Good luck. They have a great product, know it and are proud of it. You can tell by the pricing. I do think it was worth it though now that I finally purchase. I run a permanently mounted Kenwood TM-D710G in addition to my Midland CB and Yaesu HH on the trails. This was a perfect solution for that!
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I was surfing the web to see what my next CB radio would be. As I said earlier I have a radio that is like the Uniden CMX-760 that is no longer working. It was a good radio while it lasted but it did not last long. It could be that it couldn't shed heat well enough in the center console, the whole body is a heat sink.

Anyway I came across the President Bill FCC CB radio. Like the CMX-760 it is tiny but does not have all the controls on the mic. And unlike the other radios in this class it uses a standard 6 pin microphone so you have mic options available. The professional reviews I have watch all say it is not a bad radio for it size. The down side is you can't peak the power or the modulation.

I think I am going to go with this radio but I will not mount it in the center console.
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Power and modulation should be set correctly at the factory.
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Should be but you know and I know that it is not always case. Good news on this radio is power is between 3-4 watts and modulation around 90 percent.

Next on the list is a better antenna solution.
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Antenna and Coax are always most important and the two places most people lose all their output power and receive signal.
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