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Old 12-08-2015, 11:35 AM
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Elbow Canyon\Mt Trumbull\Whitmore Overlook

Dusthol and Mett-tc I found snow! Not very much though.
This is a trip I've been planning for a while. Figured with good weather, and lack of snow there was no better time. The trip starts at the gas station in Mesquite, NV fill up plus 4 gallon rotopax. Then head out east climbing out of the desert and into the mountains. Trail follows Elbow Canyon, from there Black Rock Mountain area and into a high plains area. Stopped at the ghost town of Mt Trumbull where a replicate school house still stands. A Holes burned down the original one. The school house is open for who ever stops by, with pictures on the walls. From there head south past the Bar 10 Ranch to Whitmore Overlook. This is the North Rim of the Grand Canyon no tourist or stupid guard rails. The total trip was 170 miles and only saw one other car. Below is the link the photo album.
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Dayum. You did that yesterday I see?! That is a rather epic one. Last month I was reading about a group of over landers (Expedition Portal forums) that went in vicinity of the same area (Bar 10 and the Overlook) via the Arizona Strip. Been trying to figure out how to finagle that area as I'm Jonesing on it. I need to figure out carrying extra fuel (stock tire carrier issues).

If you by chance have the GPS track, think about posting it/a link to it in my other thread as it would be a good resource for that area.

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I didn't record a track I can though try getting you the two .gpx files I used. I had a general idea of where I was going and just winged it. I was thinking of adding Toweep to a later trip, and camping. I think I need more fuel as I currently only have a 4 gallon extra fuel container. Theres some adapters you can get to carry extra fuel, but not sure I would wanna put all that weight on the flimsy tire carrier.
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Yeah--I started researching extra fuel (Nato or Rotopax) last night. With my current sliders, it looks like I'm cut down to the rear area (no side jerry can mounts). I'll have to do a cost analysis (which works out to more $$) and decide what is worth it. It looks like about $550 to $750 to carry 6 to 10 gallons of extra fuel. That is some expensive fuel (sighs).
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amazing trip and 1 of the first ones I did in 08, been wanting to go back ever since.
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METT-TC if you need I've ordered two bumpers from this company solid stuff.
Dirtworx Off-Road Fabrication He has one that you can add jerry can's onto. The only issue is it can be slow to receive the bumper as they are handmade at the time of order. Nice thing about that if you want to customize it you can.
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Yeah. Choices, choices. I have a Poison Spyder Rock Brawler bumper on that I really like, but Dirtworx does have a hell of a price. I'm also looking at the OR-Fab TC and the Exogate reinforcement with some Rotopax mounts that apparently are coming to market this January. I am not ready to go to 35s yet (15,000 miles into my 33" GY Duras), but I've just got to get myself into the frame of mind that I need a tire carrier (with cans or Rotos) in preparation for that. It does make it a bit more palatable in that vein. I need a reason for the 4 to 10 days a year that I need the extra fuel.

But that area and the North Rim (coming out of Saint George) are siren songs currently.
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Wow thanks for sharing, that looks like one of the must do's out here!
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If you were to go St George-Whitmore-St George I think its totally doable with out needing extra fuel. Ultimately I would like to do Whitmore then Torweep and back need to get some more fuel for that..
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Well, guess I will be doing this one over the next couple of weeks. Figured out the fuel as I already have a 60"x24" hitch mounted cargo carrier that I use for overlanding/camping. A couple of 2gl RotopaXes will mount nicely laying flat in that carrier and still allow me to fill up the soft sided cargo bag that I use to keep everything together for camping. Not planning on camping this one (North Rim winter? Meh.), but I'm looking longer term. The extra capacity now only costs about $200 which is a bit more palatable for a small increase in capability.

From I-15 just south of Saint George, the NPS has the distance as 85 miles to Toroweap Overlook. And the distance from Mount Trumball SH to Whitmore Overlook is right at 20 miles one way, so easily doable. From the trip report over on Expedition Portal, they were able to bet gas at the Bar 10... Shouldn't need it, but it is worth a phone call out to them.

What else? The question is if the NPS has Toroweap blocked off (more traveled than Whitmore)? The North Rim is supposedly closed over the winter, but what does closed entail (the visitor center and campgrounds or do they go Byzantine on your ass if they come across you?)

So, if anyone is interested, I might be posting this one up as a rather long day trip in the near future. Depends on the info I find over the coming weeks.

Red line / track below is coming in from Saint George and the map layer is the NPS Visitor from CalTopo (you can find all this on Gaia online).

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Man I wish I found that overlay that is pretty sweet. I would call to make sure somebody will be at Bar 10 it appeared that nobody was home when I went by. May have to call out sick and come join ya ha ha....
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Hmmm... sounds like fun Mett!

Margie and I are thinking we could pull the Jeep to Mesquite with the RV and stay in one of the RV parks (it gets cold at night for this old wimp and I want power), so we could join your day trip without adding 3 hours of cross and back Vegas travel time from Pahrump.

The highway to the north rim is closed... Seasonal Road Closures - Grand Canyon National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

We're equipped with for an extra 6 gallons of fuel.

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For Whitmore Overlook the only area that they could close the road is when you pass through Bar 10, I've read the only closure between Trumball and Torweep is when the snow gets to deep on the pass. Highway 67 is for the tourons out of Jacobs Lake. I am thinking of doing The honeymoon trail (I believe thats what it is called) to Torweep from St George in January when I am there for Winter 4x4 weather depending.
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I wanna go.....be a great spring run...
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Dust...she (North Rim) is a big place and I'm up for more than one foray. I am retiring from the Army this summer and no bets on our staying in Vegas through the next winter...so I intend to quench some of my desert wanderlust between now and the heat coming back. I'd kick myself later if I didn't.

I will post this one up in the next day or two as either just before New Year's Eve or 2/3 January. As for a pre Christmas Run on something else, let me get to work on that thread.

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