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Old 12-10-2015, 09:43 PM   #121
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There's a shocker lol


It is a jeep forum so I'll save the rest for the proper venue.

What is your screen name over on bleedingheartlibtardforum.com? We can continue the discussion there.
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This is from The U.S, Code: 10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard. (b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia. As you can see, we are ALL The Militia.
that's all fine and good, but all I've got as far as military hardware is s scoped p1917, so if you need a sniper I guess...
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that's all fine and good, but all I've got as far as military hardware is s scoped p1917, so if you need a sniper I guess...
It doesn't say anything about military hardware. It just defines The Militia.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:40 AM   #124
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It doesn't say anything about military hardware. It just defines The Militia.
dude, I was just being goofy. As in, if I'm part of the militia, the only thing I am good for is sniper-duty.
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Ban em all. if it saves one life for the children it will be worth it.
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Ban em all. if it saves one life for the children it will be worth it.
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Ban em all. if it saves one life for the children it will be worth it.
Said Obama, as over a thousand children have been killed by drones. Hes such a frickin hypocrite. More like if it saves one of "their" lives.
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This is from The U.S, Code:

10 U.S. Code § 311 - Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
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(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

As you can see, we are ALL The Militia.
Damn I guess I'll be sipping tea watching the battle, since I'm over 45
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Damn I guess I'll be sipping tea watching the battle, since I'm over 45
I'm 61, but I won't tell the Blue Helmets or the Terrorists if they come my way.
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Old 12-13-2015, 01:26 PM   #132
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so I did my conceal carry class 2-3 months back and I sent it off so I should be getting it back any week now. I have a 01 Sahara wrangler and I was wondering if you conceal carry

1) what do you carry and why?

2) where do you keep it inside your jeep?

3) if you carry it on you how do you get to it quickly?

I would imagine if you keep it on the right side of your body it would be kind of difficult to get to with a seat belt and the center console right next to you. I know it would be for me.

I know they have a tuffy lock box that goes under the driver seat but that doesn't allow easy access in a hurry. I was thinking maybe a clip holster under the steering where while I'm driving. any other ideas?

On another note my buddy can get me any glock pistol for about $420 through his preferred dealers and I was thinking about a glock 19 gen4 just for personally defense in general then maybe a 26 gen4 later down the line.

4) if you have a glock which do you have and how do you like it?


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1. I alternate though a few different ones. Currently a Glock model 32. It's an ideal size where I can still get a full grip (I don't like the small guns where you can't get the pinky on there) and 357 Sig is an excellent round for reliability and it has a good track record of doing what a defensive round needs to do.

2. I keep it in an OWB holster. Access isn't great but I can get to it as needed. Frankly, if I'm already in the Jeep (which is locked the moment I'm inside), I figure 90% of the time I can just mash the gas to get out of dodge or if need be, use the Jeep to protect me. The JCR bumper will tear though most stuff like it isn't there. haha.

3. When sitting I'll carry it a bit more back than normal- 5:00 or so. It sits behind the seatbelt buckle and sort of in a space created between my torso and the console.

If you want it off-body, the best option I think is the holster that clips to the underside of the steering column. This should be completely removed when parked though IMO. Even empty, it will invite a smash and grab attempt. You also need to make sure that would be in compliance with local laws. Some states require it to be on your person or at least concealed and that wouldn't be. Handgunlaw.us is a great resource for CCW rules, I consult that before traveling out of state often.

4. I've had the G32 since spring of 2009, it's been 100% reliable and it's a good gun to shoot. Glock triggers aren't the best feeling (though they do have a nice reset) but it's been a good gun. Try one at a range and see if it's a good fit for you. S&W M&P and Springfield XD are also good choices for striker fired. Lately I had been carrying my HK VP9 which I feel is the nicest striker fired trigger out there. It's a bigger gun but I don't worry about printing in Michigan since OC is legal too. Only reason it's back in the safe is because I had a part break on the holster and I'm awaiting replacement.
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Old 12-23-2015, 02:56 AM   #134
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I actually just picked up a new carry gun tonight...just finishing taking it apart and reassembling to get familiar with it.

I now carry a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm (traded my xds for it)

I carry on me in a pant holster (galco sto-n-go) 90% of the time when not at work but if I need to leave it in my jeep then I lock it in my under seat storage. If I'm in my car I generally just lock it my glove box.
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I actually just picked up a new carry gun tonight...just finishing taking it apart and reassembling to get familiar with it. I now carry a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm (traded my xds for it) I carry on me in a pant holster (galco sto-n-go) 90% of the time when not at work but if I need to leave it in my jeep then I lock it in my under seat storage. If I'm in my car I generally just lock it my glove box.


nice man my girlfriends dad just got one of those and I was looking at it and I like it.
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I had an old S&W 9mm I sent in for repair but they couldn't fix it. Thanks to the lifetime warranty, they sent me back a shield in exchange. Much better than the old one and I love it for concealed carry. I would have preferred a .40 but they had to trade like for like. That was okay by me.
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nice man my girlfriends dad just got one of those and I was looking at it and I like it.
initial impression is i'd strongly recommend it

The feel in the hand is fantastic, phenomenal trigger, and overall great quality. Extended mag carries 8+1 and then a flush mag that carries 7+1

I havent brought it to the range to fire yet but will be going tomorrow to put 100 or so through it
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So apparently VA just repealed the agreements they had with 25 states. Your out-of-state concealed carry license will no longer be valid in VA. Wonder how that will effect those of us driving through w/ guns/ammo. Argh... I'm all for power of the states to determine rights, but when it comes to concealed carry its a real PITA.
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So apparently VA just repealed the agreements they had with 25 states. Your out-of-state concealed carry license will no longer be valid in VA. Wonder how that will effect those of us driving through w/ guns/ammo. Argh... I'm all for power of the states to determine rights, but when it comes to concealed carry its a real PITA.
Utah is still recognized by VA. I recommend a Utah and Arizona (no longer recognized by VA) permit in addition to your home state, resident permit for this that travel. It's funny because we all know this stupid maneuvering won't deter criminals - it just has law abiding people scrambling to ensure that we are observing arbitrary rules that infringe on our constitutional and natural rights.
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So apparently VA just repealed the agreements they had with 25 states. Your out-of-state concealed carry license will no longer be valid in VA. Wonder how that will effect those of us driving through w/ guns/ammo. Argh... I'm all for power of the states to determine rights, but when it comes to concealed carry its a real PITA.
Traveling is still easy enough.

§ 18.2-308 Personal Protection; Carrying Concealed Weapons; When Lawful to Carry.
Any person who may lawfully possess a firearm and is carrying a handgun while in a personal,
private motor vehicle or vessel and such handgun is secured in a container or compartment in the
vehicle or vessel. For purposes of this subsection, the term "compartment" includes a console, glove
compartment, or any other area within or on the vehicle or vessel that possesses the ability to be closed and
the term "secured" means that a container or compartment be closed but not necessarily locked.

Open carry is still legal, too.
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Open carry is still legal, too.
As of this week, as a FL cc license holder, my license is no longer recognized in VA, but I can still open carry without a license? I'm scratching my head on this one.
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As of this week, as a FL cc license holder, my license is no longer recognized in VA, but I can still open carry without a license? I'm scratching my head on this one.
If you're not carrying concealed, you don't need a CCW.
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Virginia is just an example of what happens when you let democrats in office. Hopefully VA will follow Colorado and show these clowns the door. Virginia already sucks since you need to be hyper vigilant about speed, this is just icing on the cake. Not that I have any reason to be there but it's just annoying. Thankfully the Michigan CPL is as good as it gets for one permit. Good pretty much everywhere aside from the usual suspects in the northeast and leftist coast.
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