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Old 02-24-2016, 10:22 AM
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Top 10 Worst Automakers of 2016: Consumer Reports


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If you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover, why should you judge an automaker by a single car?

Consumer Reports has tested thousands of vehicles in its history and with all that data, the publication has collected enough information to judge automakers by their entire lineup, ranking them based on their combined road test scores, predicted reliability, safety information and owner satisfaction.

As a result, Consumer Reports has released a list ranking automakers based on their consistency in delivering vehicles that serve consumers well, as well as automakers that consistently release vehicles that perform poorly in all aspects.

Find out the top 10 worst automakers of 2016 according to Consumer Reports here.
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I don't have too much trouble accepting Consumer Reports' reliability numbers. In fact, I believe them to be the best available. However, when it comes to their decidedly more subjective road test numbers, I am more critical.

Mostly it comes down to a failure to rate vehicles in keeping with their stated purpose. Rating a Wrangler against a car-like SUV might help someone who never intends to take it off road. But it under-accounts for its very raison D etre; its off road prowess. Further, even the most cursory test drive should confirm its shortcomings in such a comparison, so I don't understand the compelling need.

Is it fair to rate a baseball bat mostly by its ability to cave in intruder skulls or on its ability to effectively hit a baseball? Just because a significant percentage of consumers may buy it for self defense doesn't make that its intended purpose and the prime metric by which it should be judged. A simple disclosure that the vehicle they're rating doesn't perform like a car on an otherwise purpose-based review should be sufficient. In my opinion, Consumer Reports fails in this manner on pickup truck, off-road vehicle, and sports car reviews. Why should they judge everything against some ideal that appears suspiciously like a midsize hybrid sedan?

In fact, there is a case for NOT doing so. Eventually it removes all of the variety from the marketplace as manufacturers are compelled to meet the unstated and arbitrary standards of influential urban-bound automotive journalists and consumer advocates. Since they place such a high premium on power, efficiency, handling, safety, and comfort, they bias their reviews to reflect their values.

Thankfully, the marketplace continues to resist this myopia. But a greater concern is that Consumer Union and other consumer groups have the ears of some in congress and regulatory agencies who share their viewpoints/blind spots. So my concern is that we may not be far from a day when every vehicle comes in shades of vanilla...just another variant of the same car. Clearly the Wrangler and other unique vehicles are in the crosshairs.

So Autoguide, thanks for the community announcement. But I for one will continue to buy vehicles that meet MY wants and needs, not those of someone who is, at best, guessing at what they might be and weighing them against their own standards.

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I guess the question has to asked: why are people buying the wrangler? If the majority are buying it to perform a domesticated SUV then it seems reasonable to rate it that way. HOWEVER, IMHO there should be a source to go to for a rating based on usage off road... I think I am basically in agreement with you MikeinMinn.
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Sorry: I didn't realize I would not be able to correct the errors in my comment above (or delete it). The following is the corrected version.
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I guess the question has to BE asked: why are people buying the wrangler? If the majority are buying it to perform AS a domesticated SUV then it seems reasonable to rate it that way. HOWEVER, IMHO there should be a source to go to for a rating based on usage off road... I think I am basically in agreement with you MikeinMinn.
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I guess the question has to asked: why are people buying the wrangler? If the majority are buying it to perform a domesticated SUV then it seems reasonable to rate it that way. HOWEVER, IMHO there should be a source to go to for a rating based on usage off road... I think I am basically in agreement with you MikeinMinn.
I totally agree; two ratings would be the way to go. Likewise, many people, for reasons of their own, buy pro grade equipment for consumer level uses. Often the professional stuff lacks some of the niceties that the consumer grade products posses. Does that make it inferior? Obviously not, but if a rating agency rates pro level stuff from a consumer's perspective only, it could well appear that way.

IMO products should be rated by intended use and how well that product performs in the conditions for which it was designed. However, if a product is being commonly used in a different way or by a different consumer, I agree, there should be a statement or rating for those uses or people too. But that in no way makes a wrench a hammer just because I chose to use it that way

The reason why I use this analogy is just that, in the case of the Wrangler, CR downgrades it due to its on-road manners, comfort, efficiency, handling, etc. Jeep has chosen to keep it capable at the expense of virtually everything CR values. So it doesn't have the niceties but it can perform the function for which it was designed better than anything in its class. To CR, that makes it inferior. To me, that's a problem.
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If Jeep is ranked so poorly, why are the selling pretty much every vehicle that comes out of Toledo? The Wrangler, Cherokee and Renegade had some of the highest sales for the company last year.
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Old 02-25-2016, 10:37 AM   #7
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If Jeep is ranked so poorly, why are the selling pretty much every vehicle that comes out of Toledo? The Wrangler, Cherokee and Renegade had some of the highest sales for the company last year.
Because people want them. Does it "rank" highly? When it comes to the wrangler...not in almost any test when compared to a car-based small or mid SUV...but people want Jeeps. For a damned good reason, I'd say, or sometimes, just because they want one. Heck, a Subaru wagon would perform 99% of what I need, do it while performing better and getting better mileage. Did I buy one? Nope.

That's something that testing just can't account for...the "Jeep factor" is what I called it when I was deciding which vehicle to purchase.
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GMC is in 10 worst, Buick is in the 10 best. Same engines, frames, with different bells and whistles.


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Consumer Reports is flat out B.S. they don't take in any account of what the actual vehicle was designed for. Also their highest rated is a Tesla, like you can A. afford that and B. how is a electric vehicle practical for 99% of Americans? Ok so maybe if you're some California/New York(sorry for those who live in these states) pansy it works for you, but not in the real world.

Also when it comes to appliances their ratings are completely screwy. All of their highest rated washing machine are terrible. Trust me I had one(whirlpool duet) and all it would do is spin for 3 hours and then still have a 5 gallon bucket of water in the drum. Full of mildew and talk about stank! I got a Speed queen which is their lowest rated model and it is absolutely prefect, cleans the clothing quickly and well. Never had a single problem.

I basically look at Consumer Reports to buy the opposite.
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GMC is in 10 worst, Buick is in the 10 best. Same engines, frames, with different bells and whistles.


LOL!
heh yea go figure


** kinda reminds me of when people were praising the saab SUV over the GMC one.
same everything basically just different interiors.

not saying the Saab wasnt plush but it was also 20k higher price tag new.
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heh yea go figure


** kinda reminds me of when people were praising the saab SUV over the GMC one.
same everything basically just different interiors.

not saying the Saab wasnt plush but it was also 20k higher price tag new.
Somehow, though, the Buick is more "reliable" than the GMC.
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only reason i know about the SAAB thing is my dad bailed my sister out on one and got stuck with it.

Its only worth about 5k more used now than the equivalent GMC is.
Options are pretty similar. slightly diff shocks and stuff though small things not sure if better or worse than GMC uses.

But basically everything else - chassis - engine - tranny -driveline are all GMC.

Just before SAAB went tits up the entire engine was replaced under warranty as the variable valve timing was causing a knock.
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Back on topic i agree about how car reviewers pit Offroad purpose vehicles against small awd SUV's in a how it rides or how quiet is it competition.

Its just silly.. if it was quiet then the first time you forgot the top off .. say good by to your interior and seats etc.
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They compare the wrangler to more "refined" SUV's because they know that 90% of the people who buy them will not take them off road.

Of all the wrangler owners that i know or have known in person (about 20) only one of them actually used it to go wheeling. The others just wanted them "cause jeep" and then complained about how crappy they drove/comfort level compared to something like a Yukon or Explorer. THAT is the target audience for CR.

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