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Old 04-11-2019, 09:25 AM   #91
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Same old crap-same people who do not even own a 2.0 T posting about how bad they are and how they won't last. OP asked if anyone had regret about buying one. How can you have regret when you don't have one? Turbo envy?
There are people, like myself, who have owned these small turbo engines, have worked on these small turbo engines, and have friends who are technicians who spend their days working on these small turbo engines. And, we in turn try to HELP our fellow Jeepers by warning them away from the money pits that these tiny turbo engines become.

So, if you'd rather not have the experience and help generously offered by others, then please do go ahead and throw your money at one of them. It's America. You can live how you want.

And, for the guy who said that I copy and paste word for word the same thing across multiple forums.........yes I do and it's because I get sick and tired of having to explain the same thing in the 74,562 threads that get posted about 2.0 vs. 3.6. If folks would use the search feature instead of posting the same thread weekly, we wouldn't have to hash this out all the time.

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There are people, like myself, who have owned these small turbo engines, have worked on these small turbo engines, and have friends who are technicians who spend their days working on these small turbo engines. And, we in turn try to HELP our fellow Jeepers by warning them away from the money pits that these tiny turbo engines become.

So, if you'd rather not have the experience and help generously offered by others, then please do go ahead and throw your money at one of them. It's America. You can live how you want.

And, for the guy who said that I copy and paste word for word the same thing across multiple forums.........yes I do and it's because I get sick and tired of having to explain the same thing in the 74,562 threads that get posted about 2.0 vs. 3.6. If folks would use the search feature instead of posting the same thread weekly, we wouldn't have to hash this out all the time.

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I appreciate your feedback, particularly coming from someone who owns both.

There are as many different types of buyers as there are people. Some buyers, like myself, like to research things thoroughly before making a purchase decision. Others donít care. Most sit somewhere in the middle.

Either way, the days we walked blind into a dealership are over. Forums like this now allows us to uncover the good and the bad beforehand. And thatís a good thing IMO.

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Yep, I sold off my hybrid at 7.9999 years.


$1.5K is pretty cheap for a hybrid battery. I wonder what is it installed, given the coolant lines.
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Also, why people associate not wanting a 4-Cyl turbo to hating the JL??
Are they so naive and think the JL only comes with that engine?

Heck, I want a JL Rubi (bug hit me pretty bad) but it will be a V6.
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Crazy question but does the JL 3.6 have cylinder head problems? If so I'd probably go with the 2.0 since either engine has its long term issues.
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Crazy question but does the JL 3.6 have cylinder head problems? If so I'd probably go with the 2.0 since either engine has its long term issues.
The early production 3.6L cylinder head issues are long gone, that's the point of selecting an engine design with some time on it. Anyway, not a factor if you are considering a new 3.6 vs. 2.0. As to what early production 2.0 issues may exist (if any), we don't know yet but it seems so far so good.
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Any 2.0 liter regrets?

A potential advantage of a 4-cyl turbo is they are often amiable to ECU tuning and replacing the turbo.
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Crazy question but does the JL 3.6 have cylinder head problems? If so I'd probably go with the 2.0 since either engine has its long term issues.
I've only seen one case of it on a JL, but a few on WD.

Probably better to research to see if WK2 has had issues since they have higher sales volumes and first got the new 3.6 a few years before Wrangler, in 2016.
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I have been looking for one with the 2.0 but no dealer near me has one on the lot.
Wanted to test drive before I made my decision.
There are plenty of 2.0ís in the Nashville, TN area. We have at least three or four dealerships and you canít find the V6. I drove both for an extended period of time and will say the 2.0 is a bit quicker but the V6 is better at higher speeds. I purchased the Moab as that was the only available model to with the V6. Regular gas was also a consideration especially with gas prices going up. Itís all personal opinion.
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I've only seen one case of it on a JL, but a few on WD.

Probably better to research to see if WK2 has had issues since they have higher sales volumes and first got the new 3.6 a few years before Wrangler, in 2016.
Oh so they upgraded the 3.6 for the Grand Cherokees in 2016 and JL?
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Oh so they upgraded the 3.6 for the Grand Cherokees in 2016 and JL?
Yes, redesigned Gen 2 Pentastar. Grand Cherokee/Durango got it in 2016, and Wrangler didn't get it until 2018 JL

https://www.allpar.com/mopar/V6/PUG-2015.php
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So far loving the turbo, not really worried about long term, over the last few years we have owned one hybrid, two na engines and 8 turbo engines, zero problems with the turbos from 4 different companies. Also like that if I ever want to it is far easier and less expensive to gain power out of the turbo
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My perspective on why JL's are not selling:

Auto sales in general, are soft at the moment.

JL prices are unreasonably high. You do not get $40k - $50k of value when you spring for a JL.

The 2.0T is new and FCA has a terrible track record for new offerings.

The 2.0T comes at a $1000 premium. PERCEPTION is that they are charging more for less, which turns a lot of people off.

FCA does not widely publicize the fact that the 2.0T runs fine on 87 octane, which adds to the premium cost perception.

Gas mileage advantage of the 2.0T is minimal, which further compounds the perception above.

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Speaking for myself only: I am trying to understand why JLs are not selling. Particularly the 2.0T which now makes 80% of JL unsold inventory.
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My perspective on why JL's are not selling:

Auto sales in general, are soft at the moment.

JL prices are unreasonably high. You do not get $40k - $50k of value when you spring for a JL.

The 2.0T is new and FCA has a terrible track record for new offerings.

The 2.0T comes at a $1000 premium. PERCEPTION is that they are charging more for less, which turns a lot of people off.

FCA does not widely publicize the fact that the 2.0T runs fine on 87 octane, which adds to the premium cost perception.

Gas mileage advantage of the 2.0T is minimal, which further compounds the perception above.
I agree with your list, and would add one key element:

FCA has failed to articulate the benefits of the 2.0T over the V6. When FCA set out to spend billions to develop the new engine, arguably it did it to offer something better that already existed. Great, what is that? FCA needs to tell us; we are not mind readers.

In the absence of that context, everything you say above takes place: it costs more but it is not really that fuel efficient. So consumers remain unconvinced based on what they know.

So FCA, what makes 2.0T worth checking the box...? [TAP TAP] Hello...?
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I also have been around turbocharged engines most of my life, both diesel and gas. With normal routine maintenance done on the engine, i.e. oil and filter changes regularly, I personally haven't seen too many just up and fail over the years; seems like they got it worked out a long time ago as far as reliability goes.

Speaking of the sophistication of the electronic systems of this new engine and the fact that it is new and relatively unproven, there could very well be room for concern about its reliability. But after having driven both power plants several times, I kept coming back to the 2.0L. And at this time, I have no regrets. YMMV

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The 2.0 is an awesome engine, after this month over 44,000 will be on the road and again crickets. We are 9 months and multiple mudding and winter excavates across the country and no complaints. Anyone who has one loves it. Stop by the jeep dealer this morning for an oil change and sales director said that anyone who drives the 2 back to back almost always chooses the 2.0. Yes this is a jeep vehicle and I explained in a long thread where and how turbo technology has improved and the reliability is at par with any NA engine. I have 12 ecoboost in my construction company with 5 trucks now over 200k. They are highly maintained but also used and abused. The technology FCA used is not rocket science, and fits in line with jeepers being able to work on it themselves. If you can replace an alternator you can replace the MGU. Its amazing how easy it is to work on. Lithium batteries have been out for over 10yrs now and there are 10 manufacturer's who make them with 3 being the main suppliers to almost the entire auto industry. They easily last to 150k, although taxi's in New York city are getting 300k out of them.
The 2.0 is an amazing power train that delivers good performance that is readily available when I want and need it. Makes the jeep peppy and fun to drive around. My main complaint with the 3.6 was having to rev to 4-5 grand to deliver the pep I like with my driving style. The 2.0 fits me, low end torque halling ass without breaking 3 grand. I cannot stand an engine that has to drop gears on transition grades or windy days. The 2.0 has a lot less of that. Instead of dropping a gear, it increases boost. In my 15JKUR I was averaging 15.5-16.0 mpg with 34's. In the dead of winter I was averaging 20.8 in my JLUR and now I'm up to 22 on mid grade(89 octane) top tier fuel. I'm highly impressed with that considering the jeep is literally a brick driving down the road.
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I have a '13 JKU Rubicon and am looking to get a JLU in the next 12 months. A few days ago I went down to our dealer to test the 2.0L and I frankly was not impressed with the engine (rest of the truck is fine). The turbo whine was more pronounced (and undesirable -- to me) than I expected.

Based on what I have read here, looks like I should drive the V6 and 2.0L back to back, but if the JKU and JLU V6's are comparable, then I'd likely favor the V6.

Having said that, the diesel engine is the one I'm interested in. Hopefully it will be available in the '20 model year.

BTW, the dealer had 116 Jeep Wranglers in stock. Never seen so many on the lot in 6 years. Of these, 60 were 2.0L. Of the 27 2019 Rubicon JKU's, 10 were 2.0L.
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The turbo whine was more pronounced
You are correct. The engine and exhaust on mine are so quiet that all you really hear is the turbo spooling up.

I love me a spoolin turbo sound. I had a twin turbo Stealth with Evo3 16g's on it and i really miss that turbo spool sound. It's pretty pronounced on my Cummins and i love it.
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I have a '13 JKU Rubicon and am looking to get a JLU in the next 12 months. A few days ago I went down to our dealer to test the 2.0L and I frankly was not impressed with the engine (rest of the truck is fine). The turbo whine was more pronounced (and undesirable -- to me) than I expected.

Based on what I have read here, looks like I should drive the V6 and 2.0L back to back, but if the JKU and JLU V6's are comparable, then I'd likely favor the V6.

Having said that, the diesel engine is the one I'm interested in. Hopefully it will be available in the '20 model year.

BTW, the dealer had 116 Jeep Wranglers in stock. Never seen so many on the lot in 6 years. Of these, 60 were 2.0L. Of the 27 2019 Rubicon JKU's, 10 were 2.0L.
I can accept that as a good reason but impressed that you still have an open mind and are willing to consider doing a back to back test drives when you do decide to buy. Sound doesn't bother me from any engine, I truly only like the sound of my vette. Everything else, I'm only worried about how the radio sounds.
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BTW, the dealer had 116 Jeep Wranglers in stock. Never seen so many on the lot in 6 years. Of these, 60 were 2.0L. Of the 27 2019 Rubicon JKU's, 10 were 2.0L.
Impossible. Everyone knows the turbo is whatís holding back JL sales, ask any of the non JL and non turbo owners above. Those 6cyls are the gold standard. /s
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impossible. Everyone knows the turbo is whatís holding back jl sales, ask any of the non jl and non turbo owners above. Those 6cyls are the gold standard. /s
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Impossible. Everyone knows the turbo is whatís holding back JL sales, ask any of the non JL and non turbo owners above. Those 6cyls are the gold standard. /s
How does the 2.0 hold back sales, if any one can buy the v-6 if they want, according to this idea the v-6s sell out and the only thing left is the 2.0s
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There are people, like myself, who have owned these small turbo engines, have worked on these small turbo engines, and have friends who are technicians who spend their days working on these small turbo engines. And, we in turn try to HELP our fellow Jeepers by warning them away from the money pits that these tiny turbo engines become.

So, if you'd rather not have the experience and help generously offered by others, then please do go ahead and throw your money at one of them. It's America. You can live how you want.

And, for the guy who said that I copy and paste word for word the same thing across multiple forums.........yes I do and it's because I get sick and tired of having to explain the same thing in the 74,562 threads that get posted about 2.0 vs. 3.6. If folks would use the search feature instead of posting the same thread weekly, we wouldn't have to hash this out all the time.

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For me the biggest issue with the 2.0 is the unsubstantiated negative reaction to the motor, there has been no history of issues, just a lot of judgemental commentary based mostly on old attitudes about turbo motors.
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The 2.0 is an awesome engine, after this month over 44,000 will be on the road and again crickets. We are 9 months and multiple mudding and winter excavates across the country and no complaints. Anyone who has one loves it. Stop by the jeep dealer this morning for an oil change and sales director said that anyone who drives the 2 back to back almost always chooses the 2.0. Yes this is a jeep vehicle and I explained in a long thread where and how turbo technology has improved and the reliability is at par with any NA engine. I have 12 ecoboost in my construction company with 5 trucks now over 200k. They are highly maintained but also used and abused. The technology FCA used is not rocket science, and fits in line with jeepers being able to work on it themselves. If you can replace an alternator you can replace the MGU. Its amazing how easy it is to work on. Lithium batteries have been out for over 10yrs now and there are 10 manufacturer's who make them with 3 being the main suppliers to almost the entire auto industry. They easily last to 150k, although taxi's in New York city are getting 300k out of them.
The 2.0 is an amazing power train that delivers good performance that is readily available when I want and need it. Makes the jeep peppy and fun to drive around. My main complaint with the 3.6 was having to rev to 4-5 grand to deliver the pep I like with my driving style. The 2.0 fits me, low end torque halling ass without breaking 3 grand. I cannot stand an engine that has to drop gears on transition grades or windy days. The 2.0 has a lot less of that. Instead of dropping a gear, it increases boost. In my 15JKUR I was averaging 15.5-16.0 mpg with 34's. In the dead of winter I was averaging 20.8 in my JLUR and now I'm up to 22 on mid grade(89 octane) top tier fuel. I'm highly impressed with that considering the jeep is literally a brick driving down the road.
Thank you for posting your honest experience. The I-4 holdouts, including myself, that's all we need, real people ownership experience so I can make an informed decision when I get a JL later on, and up to this point most I-4 reviews seem quite positive. I have posted that I would rather get the V6 but is not that I hate the turbo, just hesitant to give my hard earned money to FCA without knowledge of how this new engine will perform.
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For me the biggest issue with the 2.0 is the unsubstantiated negative reaction to the motor, there has been no history of issues, just a lot of judgemental commentary based mostly on old attitudes about turbo motors.
Eh, I disagree. The negative reaction is because of the engine costing $1000 more to go with no real added benefits unless you live in higher elevations. Power is roughly the same, fuel economy is the same since you need premium to get the advertised mileage.. It just doesn’t make any sense to pony up extra money for an engine with no added benefits, just more costly maintenance down the line.
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Power is roughly the same,
I don't really have a dog in this fight and myself would prefer the 3.6, but to all the people who keep saying this I have to ask... have you driven a 2.0? The 3.6 and 2.0 do have about the same peak HP but due to the additional low speed torque and the hybrid boost the 2.0 is way faster off the line and feels much torquier at low speeds. Love it or hate it you've got to give the 2.0 that at least.
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I don't really have a dog in this fight and myself would prefer the 3.6, but to all the people who keep saying this I have to ask... have you driven a 2.0? The 3.6 and 2.0 do have about the same peak HP but due to the additional low speed torque and the hybrid boost the 2.0 is way faster off the line and feels much torquier at low speeds. Love it or hate it you've got to give the 2.0 that at least.
I have driven the 2.0 multiple times and it was fairly sluggish up to 40. I didn’t go past that as I wasn’t on a highway. It absolutely felt like a 4 cylinder to me. I actually drove it before ever driving a 3.6 JL, so I was comparing it to my JKU. Without a doubt my JKU with the 5 speed + steel bumpers was quicker. That was my honest experience.

A number of YouTube comparisons show the 3.6 doing 0-60 faster too. Not by much, but a little faster.
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I have driven the 2.0 multiple times and it was fairly sluggish up to 40. I didnít go past that as I wasnít on a highway. It absolutely felt like a 4 cylinder to me. I actually drove it before ever driving a 3.6 JL, so I was comparing it to my JKU. Without a doubt my JKU with the 5 speed + steel bumpers was quicker. That was my honest experience.

A number of YouTube comparisons show the 3.6 doing 0-60 faster too. Not by much, but a little faster.
Umm, okay. That's nonsense but you have every right to believe it.
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I have driven the 2.0 multiple times and it was fairly sluggish up to 40. I didn’t go past that as I wasn’t on a highway. It absolutely felt like a 4 cylinder to me. I actually drove it before ever driving a 3.6 JL, so I was comparing it to my JKU. Without a doubt my JKU with the 5 speed + steel bumpers was quicker. That was my honest experience.

A number of YouTube comparisons show the 3.6 doing 0-60 faster too. Not by much, but a little faster.
Umm, okay. That's nonsense but you have every right to believe it.
Nope, not non sense at all. There’s a decent amount of people who agree with me the 2.0 is sluggish. It’s a 4 cylinder and turbo lag is very real. It’s ironic, you call my post non sense, and follow it up by posting absolutely nothing of value at all.

Here’s a video showing 3.6 is faster with a quick YouTube search. It’s not the only one.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXTpul1mSM

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