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Old 11-29-2019, 11:43 AM   #31
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Jeep introduced the eTorque in 2019. 2018's had turbo, but no etorque. Regardless though, here in Canada they seem to sell really well. For Saharas the 2L eTorque was removed for 2020, but eTorque was added to the V6. The only answer given was "there was a complication with the 2L turbo". There is not even an option to have it added as a factory build. Though I could be wrong, that doesn't sound like lack of sales to me.
According to this review dated February 2018, 2.0 eTorque appeared in 2018.



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Jeep introduced the eTorque in 2019. 2018's had turbo, but no etorque. Regardless though, here in Canada they seem to sell really well. For Saharas the 2L eTorque was removed for 2020, but eTorque was added to the V6. The only answer given was "there was a complication with the 2L turbo". There is not even an option to have it added as a factory build. Though I could be wrong, that doesn't sound like lack of sales to me.
Canadaís options differ from the US market.

The US got eTorque on all 2.0 turbos for 2018-19. It was dropped for 2020 on all 2.0 models, but the Sahara still gets it.
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According to this review dated February 2018, 2.0 eTorque appeared in 2018.
That's the video that made me decide I didn't want it. NONE of the 2018's on the lot had eTorque (and my dealer told me they were new to 2019), and google confirmed it.

I wonder if that video was to introduce the 2019's (which came out in fall of 2018)?
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That's the video that made me decide I didn't want it. NONE of the 2018's on the lot had eTorque (and my dealer told me they were new to 2019), and google confirmed it.

I wonder if that video was to introduce the 2019's (which came out in fall of 2018)?
That video is dated February 2018, and it talks about the 2018 JL eTorque.

To @SecondTJ ‘s point, I can’t speak about eTorque’s availability in Canada, but it was introduced in the US in the 2018 model year. I remember because they sat unsold on dealer lots for months. The added complexity and $1,000 additional cost for a 1-2 MPG gain was not a compelling value proposition in the US given prevailing fuel prices.

FCA had to add a $500 consumer rebate —and likely significant dealer incentives as well— in order to clear the clog of unsold eTorques sitting on US dealer lots.
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The added complexity and $1,000 additional cost for a 1-2 MPG gain was not a compelling value proposition in the US given prevailing fuel prices.
This is one of the reasons why we passed. The other was that we just didn't trust it yet. It was too new (at least in Canada) and that video made it look like there were a LOT more cons in what could go wrong, than there were in the benefits to having it. Especially on a 2L engine. I might have thought differently if I was buying a V8. Maybe.
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That's the video that made me decide I didn't want it. NONE of the 2018's on the lot had eTorque (and my dealer told me they were new to 2019), and google confirmed it.

I wonder if that video was to introduce the 2019's (which came out in fall of 2018)?
The 2018 Canadian 2.0ís were supposed to have eTorque, at least according to FCA Canadaís initial press release from 11/29/17

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A dealer near here has 16 new JLU's and they ALL have the I4. I haven't driven one yet and wouldn't buy one until I hear how they do in a few years. My '16 JKUR had the dreaded Tick at 33,000 and was repaired under warranty. The mechanic said it was way more common than he'd like to see.
FCA should keep refining the 6 to make it bulletproof before they add the complexity of the turbo. I want a dependable motor with a GREAT transmission and the right gearing choices before a new engine.
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Thanks to all regarding this subject. Getting my new Jeep with the V6 and auto on Dec 5th. Local Jeep dealer has over 300 in stock from Sports to Gladiators. Safe travels.
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Thanks to all regarding this subject. Getting my new Jeep with the V6 and auto on Dec 5th. Local Jeep dealer has over 300 in stock from Sports to Gladiators. Safe travels.

What dealer is that?
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Does anyone know which one has a higher resale value, the I4 or V6? Also, is the residual value on a lease the same for the two engines?
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Does anyone know which one has a higher resale value, the I4 or V6? Also, is the residual value on a lease the same for the two engines?
I am only guessing here: I'd think the V6 will have higher resale based on the fact that 4-cyl JLs sat unsold for months when Jeep introduced the engine as a $1,000 option. FCA had to add rebates and incentives to clear them off the lots.

In 2017 FCA had to pay $77M in fines to EPA for failing to meet CAFE norms, and in 2018 it had to buy $100M worth of carbon credits from Tesla to avoid getting slapped hefty fines by the EU.

As FCA profits become increasingly dependent on Jeep and Ram sales, for 2020 FCA made 4-cyl standard and the V6 a $1,000 option on JL. Even then, rumor has it that FCA is restricting V6s to manual transmission at the moment.

And yes, my guess is that residual value is based on engine and transmission configuration, along with other options like leather, hardtop, etc.
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Aldo... Thank you for that. I was in need of "feeling" special today and knowing that my V6 is now the rarefied egg under my bonnet did the trick

Now I am in search of a smile and a how de' do.
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What dealer is that?
We have several dealers in the Phoenix area, but Chapman, Earnhart and Airpark are the biggest. I'm going with Earnhart since they are close to where I l live. Earnhart has new Sahara Unlimiteds discounted to $41K-but they have the I-4. I'm just getting a Sport S with the hard top, auto, V6, AC and tow package-don't need all the bells and whistles.
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A friend of mine test drove the turbo 4 and ended up getting the 6 because he said the engine compartment got really hot.
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A friend of mine test drove the turbo 4 and ended up getting the 6 because he said the engine compartment got really hot.
Actually, that could end up being a good thing if he ever got stuck in 5-feet of snow.

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Looking at a new Sahara Unlimited but my dealer of choice in AZ seems to only have those with the I-4 engine. Anyone have one of those? Comments on performance would be appreciated , we spend most of our Jeep time in Colorado above 9000ft. Had a 2013 Sahara Unlimited with the V6 and was totally satisfied with it.
Iím brand new here. First post and I donít own a Wrangler. Iím considering one. That said, get the turbo 4 turbo for high elevations whenever possible. They are much more effective than conventional engines at elevation.
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We have several dealers in the Phoenix area, but Chapman, Earnhart and Airpark are the biggest. I'm going with Earnhart since they are close to where I l live. Earnhart has new Sahara Unlimiteds discounted to $41K-but they have the I-4. I'm just getting a Sport S with the hard top, auto, V6, AC and tow package-don't need all the bells and whistles.
If you haven't done so, check out Larry Miller in Avondale. Looks like they have 80 Wranglers on the lot and you might find the one you want.

After some haggling, I got a good deal on my Sport S.
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A friend of mine test drove the turbo 4 and ended up getting the 6 because he said the engine compartment got really hot.

I don't think it's an issue.
I drove my turbo all summer in Phoenix with temps sometimes above 115F. and I never had a problem with engine heat.
Remember it's got a radiator fan that sounds and appears to have come off a 737 engine.
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I'd stick with the proven 3.6L platform and let the early adopters determine how good/bad the I4 DI turbo is going to be once they start logging some serious miles. The engine is still too new imo to pass any comments as to how good/bad it is. It might be the best engine yet. The operative word is might, and it is still too soon to tell.
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I don't think it's an issue.
I drove my turbo all summer in Phoenix with temps sometimes above 115F. and I never had a problem with engine heat.
Remember it's got a radiator fan that sounds and appears to have come off a 737 engine.
Is it weird that I'm looking forward to pretending I'm a jet plane? Also, is this noise any different (worse?) then in the V6?

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