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JLU - 8 speed - 37ís without regear?

I was on the trail a couple of months ago with someone who has a new JL Rubicon with 37Ē SST Proís with stock 4.10 gears and said with the new 8-speed transmission it was fine. This is in Colorado on mountainous trails.

That was an ďnĒ of 1, but Iíd like to hear what others are experiencing after going to 37ís as that will be my plan when my new JLU Rubicon arrives.

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We just did a JL on 39's with a 8 Speed Trans. He said he really liked it and was going to try it for a while be for we regeared it to even see if it needed it.

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We just did a JL on 39's with a 8 Speed Trans. He said he really liked it and was going to try it for a while be for we regeared it to even see if it needed it.

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We just did a JL on 39's with a 8 Speed Trans. He said he really liked it and was going to try it for a while be for we regeared it to even see if it needed it.

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Thanks - that's what I've been hearing.

I talked to the guys at Metal Cloak and they said the same. 37's with Bead-Locks on stock axle housings and 4.10 gears and that thing has been up and down the Rubicon trail and a bunch of other wheeling with no issues.

I think that will be my direction and maybe upgrade the front axles with RCV's and the rears with Chromoly.
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Thanks - that's what I've been hearing.

I talked to the guys at Metal Cloak and they said the same. 37's with Bead-Locks on stock axle housings and 4.10 gears and that thing has been up and down the Rubicon trail and a bunch of other wheeling with no issues.

I think that will be my direction and maybe upgrade the front axles with RCV's and the rears with Chromoly.
I agree and is a great plan. If we can help with any parts, pieces, or if you have any questions, feel free to PM, email, or call us at anytime!

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I have read of some JL front axle failures even with smaller tires. Is the housing strong enough for 37 and bigger? No personal experience just internet stories.
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I have read of some JL front axle failures even with smaller tires. Is the housing strong enough for 37 and bigger? No personal experience just internet stories.
I only have the couple of first hand reports of people doing it so far including the Metal Cloak team; I'll certainly be doing more research before I hang heavy tires on the stock axles, but I do know that the new housing is thicker.
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35 is stretching it but doable. Anyone telling you that 37s are fine, are lying to themselves first and then you.

No way a Jeep rides well while seriously undergeared. And we are just talking about gears..... We could talk about unsprung weight and driveline strength and angles and brakes etc...



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I have to ask, what do you tell people that come to your business and want 39s on a stock driveline. I realize youíre in business to sell, but I would probably end up with them storming out upset. - I guess thatís why Iím an engineer and not in sales.
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I have 37's on stock JLUR axles and 4.10's. It doesn't ride bad but on the freeway at 75 mph i'm only in 7th gear. I have basically lost my 8th gear with this set up. My next project is upgrading to 5.13's.
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5.13 would be for a JK. With the JL auto tranny, I think 4.88 would be great with 37s.

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I have 37's on stock JLUR axles and 4.10's. It doesn't ride bad but on the freeway at 75 mph i'm only in 7th gear. I have basically lost my 8th gear with this set up. My next project is upgrading to 5.13's.
Lot's of conjecture on the forum as always; you'd think I asked what is the best oil to use .

I appreciate your real world experience comment. I knew the higher gears would be toast and also know that a re-gear would be in the future especially since I live in Colorado, but wanted to hear what others had to say that are running it stock for now.
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I have to ask, what do you tell people that come to your business and want 39s on a stock driveline. I realize youíre in business to sell, but I would probably end up with them storming out upset. - I guess thatís why Iím an engineer and not in sales.
We try and educate them on what they will can see running large tires on stock axles. We educate them on the week points as well as show them the benefits of upgrading the axle internals as well as the gearing. End of the day, it is their Jeep and is up to them...

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JLU - 8 speed - 37ís without regear?

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I just spent a week in a JT Rubicon, under a wide variety of on and off road driving conditions. Even with the OEM 285/70/17’s @ ~33” in OAH, the 850RE hunts incessantly between 7th and 8th gear at 70-75 MPH, under part throttle conditions. Hugely annoying (at least to me).

I have owned a plethora of Jeeps, 2 and 4WD trucks, and of course a grip of cars over the last 40 years. I was a gear guy at an early age, and continue to gear even my late model vehicles that end up with tire height changes.

I couldn’t imagine 37’s on a JL or JT with 4.10’s, that to me would be a slug with less than desirable transmission shift points and driveability.
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Can't rewrite the realities physical science but.... this topic certainly has become a line item on the list of Jeep topics that very quickly can (usual does) devolve into impressions portrayed as fact and preferences couched as physical science.

There are plenty of reputable companies doing builds for folks probably aching to spend whatever it takes to have "the Rig" or just have kewl kid bottom of sig line build list bragging rights and those companies are building perfectly functional rigs on platforms that many on this forum would judge hugely inadequate.

Same was/is true in many automotive (hell, any fringe hobby forum; knives, guns, etc) the intelligencia always knows the "real" deal

There are in fact some Do's and Don'ts But..... when it comes to lots of these X vs Y or can I really run this size tire on xyz rim, gearing, etc blah-d-blah.

It's not as dire nor is it as cut and dry as many would have one think.

Anecdotal: Current JLUR sitting out in the garage. Nice Jeep, I like it.
Lifted about 2.5" give or take (Why not 3,3.5") Nice lift (Rancho) Ooh why not spend 3 times as much? Running 35's. Jeez why not 37"s at least?
Rides and handles better than stock.
Here's the big one - MPG's went ^up after the build.

Wrong gears, wrong tires, cheap lift, MPG's went up..... and it rides/handles better. Whew.... I dunno.

I guess some stuff just isn't cut and dry

FTR: I wouldn't run 37's but not for any of the reasons usually parroted on WF.
It certainly wasn't concern over would the Jeep still drive down the road it pretty much boiled down to......
They are freakin' expensive and I (in my mind) have a line I just am hesitant to cross.
If not 35's then 37's.... why not 38-39 or 40's? Some things just never end unless you say - Enough.
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I never understood why someone would want 37ís on a daily driver. To me thatís a bridge too far.
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There are times I want 37’s but then reality kicks in. I have done most of the typical bucket list trails ie the Rubicon, Dusy Ershim, San Juan trails, Moab many times etc and to date 35’s and even 34’s have not limited me.
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I remember when 31's were the cats ass. 33's were holy Grail...then came 35's angels sang Ahhhhhh.
Now 37's are the stretch move.

If I'm around in 20 years thread posts will read something like;. " Hey/yo I know this has been asked but will I need spacers to keep my 60"s from rubbing?"
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We try and educate them on what they will can see running large tires on stock axles. We educate them on the week points as well as show them the benefits of upgrading the axle internals as well as the gearing. End of the day, it is their Jeep and is up to them...



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There are times I want 37’s but then reality kicks in. I have done most of the typical bucket list trails ie the Rubicon, Dusy Ershim, San Juan trails, Moab many times etc and to date 35’s and even 34’s have not limited me.
Yep - I’ve done the Rubicon, Moab a number of times, and a ton of wheeling out here in Colorado including the amazing Ouray trails on KO2 35’s which don’t even measure 34, but I also wheel with quite a few people on 37’s and 40’s and envy the lines they can take.

37’s are not a must, just doing research.
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I never understood why someone would want 37ís on a daily driver. To me thatís a bridge too far.
Not a daily driver - it’ll be a toy. Daily drove my modified 2-door JK for 4 years and finally bought a DD car so I can build another one just for fun mode.
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Shoot me a PM, email, or give us a call. I would be more than happy to go over it with you. I dont want to skew this thread to far from the "37's without regear" topic.

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They are freakin' expensive
Not if you hunt for deals. I am running Toyo Open Country M/T's - 37x13.5x17.
When i got them back in March they were listed at Discount Tire for $407 each (iirc) and 4 Wheel Parts had them for $392 each + and additional $50 savings per tire so basically $342 each.

I went to Discount Tire and asked if they would price match that $342 and they did. Then i asked them for the 10% military discount so i got each tire for $308 + tax. After they added the $21 per tire for lifetime balancing i was out the door with 5 new 37's for right at $1800 which ended up being cheaper than the 35's i was running on my JKUR.
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Not if you hunt for deals. I am running Toyo Open Country M/T's - 37x13.5x17.
When i got them back in March they were listed at Discount Tire for $407 each (iirc) and 4 Wheel Parts had them for $392 each + and additional $50 savings per tire so basically $342 each.

I went to Discount Tire and asked if they would price match that $342 and they did. Then i asked them for the 10% military discount so i got each tire for $308 + tax. After they added the $21 per tire for lifetime balancing i was out the door with 5 new 37's for right at $1800 which ended up being cheaper than the 35's i was running on my JKUR.
Damn. That's still expensive.

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Not if you hunt for deals. I am running Toyo Open Country M/T's - 37x13.5x17.
When i got them back in March they were listed at Discount Tire for $407 each (iirc) and 4 Wheel Parts had them for $392 each + and additional $50 savings per tire so basically $342 each.

I went to Discount Tire and asked if they would price match that $342 and they did. Then i asked them for the 10% military discount so i got each tire for $308 + tax. After they added the $21 per tire for lifetime balancing i was out the door with 5 new 37's for right at $1800 which ended up being cheaper than the 35's i was running on my JKUR.
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Tires (in general) are expensive IMO. Big Tires = Big $$
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Tires (in general) are expensive IMO. Big Tires = Big $$
Yes sir, i totally agree that tires in general are pricey. A new set of stock tires for my wifes' 2017 Cherokee is about $850. I think those are only 225/65/18's.
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Not really, any quality name brand 37 is gonna run between $300 - $450 per tire. I have seen some for $600 per tire. If you go the cheap Chinabay route you are still looking at $250 each.

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