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Old 11-12-2019, 12:26 PM
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JLU Diesel Rubi - $63k?

Decent article, but $63k+ for a loaded Rubi Diesel? Unbelievable........

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Obvious Yes's and No's make life .... simpler.

This price point makes a no a NO

Thank you Jeep. Couple that with the $1.00 more per/gallon here and it really stays the afore mentioned decision. EzPz.

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You could buy a JK, and do an engine swap for less....
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You could buy a JK, and do an engine swap for less....
or.... Buy a 4 door AND a 2 door as a spare
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I've been to (several) Funerals.... I looked everywhere (except under the occupant of the box) .... Nothin'.

They literally Took $0 with them.... Hmmm Lesson in there somewhere.
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If you don't like the price, don't buy one. Let the market decide it's fate. People are still buying G Wagons and Raptors. Wranglers are going to cost more and get more complicated in the future. The JK is not simple but it will be compared to the future ones.
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Sounds fair to me not like you will be forced to buy one and certainly not a loaded one at that. I looked at the AAA gas diesel prices around the country and diesel is generally 20 to 40 cents a gallon higher and actually cheaper than premium in most places. If it gets 28-30mpg and more importantly 500 miles between fillips it will be a great seller.
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Wranglers are going to cost more and get more complicated in the future. The JK is not simple but it will be compared to the future ones.
Sadly you're right. A Wrangler and previous Jeeps were always affordable toys and fun cars. Now some are getting out of reach for most people. Well those don't don't finance for 7 years or lease. my 2015 Sahara with decent options cost me $33K out the door. New JLU Sahara (yes more improvements) but basically same options is well over $48K here now. That's not that affordable now.
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They gotta start offering vehicle mortgages. $63K wouldn't be too bad financed over 20 years That would also help out Gladiator sales...
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They gotta start offering vehicle mortgages. $63K wouldn't be too bad financed over 20 years That would also help out Gladiator sales...


My dealer has loaded up gladiators on 37’s and full bumpers, lights, winch, etc going for $80,000 in selling like hotcakes or South America.


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Someone did a math thing with the diesel.. it would be about 8 years before you break even on the price different with the estimated mpg increase.. not sure if that is correct, but don't see a lot of upside in those numbers.

6k option 4k for the engine 2k for the trans.. 39k seems to be the lowest buy in fee.. and that is a base model..
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I see the ratio severely broken here. Who in their right mind see's 63k worth of value here?


The Jeep JL is indicative of the collective suicide of a country where half the population would vote a Marxist/communist if given the chance. They blindly buy the next best thing...iphone, car/jeep..at the price of more consumer debt. Everything is about the feelz.....we are truly a doomed society.
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Someone did a math thing with the diesel.. it would be about 8 years before you break even on the price different with the estimated mpg increase.. not sure if that is correct, but don't see a lot of upside in those numbers.

6k option 4k for the engine 2k for the trans.. 39k seems to be the lowest buy in fee.. and that is a base model..
if gas is 40 cents a gallon cheaper I read it takes about 150,000 miles to recoup the money (I did not do the math to verify). But face it there are other reasons. for me driving range will be increased by a considerable amount even tho it has a smaller fuel tank. The Rams are getting like 30mpg so with an 18.5 gallon tank you are looking at well over 500 miles. for me the big negative is every time I am at a pump that pumps both diesel and gas there is a stinky puddle of diesel on the ground. I swear some asses just spill a little on purpose.
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doing the math it is less. because in a 100,000 miles you get 30mpg(D)you would burn 5000 gallons and if you got 19 mpg(G) you burn 7895 gallons. if gas is $3.00 that would be $23685 and if diesel is $3.40 that would be $17000 is it should take about 100,000 miles of driving or for me about 5 years.
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oh hell it really does not matter they will sell regardless how long it takes to recoup your money.
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This is how MotorTrend broke it down:

Doing the Math
Jeep says the EcoDiesel engine will cost $3,250 more than the optional gasoline V-6 and $4,500 more than the 2.0T, with a starting price of $39,290 for a base Sport model. Between that and the cost of diesel, it's a big premium up front. The Wrangler EcoDiesel also has a 5.1-gallon DEF tank that will need to be filled roughly every 10,000 miles. A pair of 2.5-gallon bottles of DEF goes for around $20.
Let's talk about these cars in terms of running costs per mile on the highway. If the diesel gets 30 mpg and a gallon of diesel fuel costs $3.06 per gallon on average, fuel costs come to $0.102 per mile. Add to that the $20 cost of DEF every 10,000 miles, running costs for the diesel are $0.104 per mile. Based on the 22-mpg highway rating of the 2.0T and V-6 Wranglers and an average regular fuel cost of $2.64 per gallon, the highway running costs of those cars come to $0.120 per mile.
The diesel, then, costs $0.016 less per mile to run on the highway than either gas-powered Wrangler. To recuperate the cost delta over a V-6 Wrangler, you'd need to cover 203,125 highway miles—over a 2.0T Wrangler, you're driving at least 281,250 miles.
Of course, calculations based on a national averages don't paint a personal picture. Your mileage may vary, but regardless, that diesel engine isn't likely to pay for itself while the original owner is driving it.

The real bummer is that the Rubi diesel will only get 3.73 gears
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That would be great, we could all get cars we really can't afford. At 10 years we would worn out cars and be way upside down on them with no way out. Yep, you are BK. I don't want a diesel in a Wrangler.
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That would be great, we could all get cars we really can't afford. At 10 years we would worn out cars and be way upside down on them with no way out. Yep, you are BK. I don't want a diesel in a Wrangler.
look what happened in the housing industry and it did not work out so well.LOL

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The mention of Raptors. I remember when they brought a premium mark-up. Now the local dealer has several sitting on the lot (been there for over a year) I assume they are 18's.
Ford poked the pooch in the eyes (or ears) of Truck guys with the 6 cyl.

Anyway....ALL a moot point. Ass for every seat as they say. Will they sell? Probably. Only thing for sure about the future is - Nothing is for sure.
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The real bummer is that the Rubi diesel will only get 3.73 gears

Those gears may or may not be a bummer. For mpg purposes it will probably be a plus.


With the old 258 straight six and ax15 manual trans, 35" tires hit the sweet spot with 4.56 gears. Today the 3.6 and nag1 auto trans out performs in every way with 35" tires and 4.10 gears. On the trail, a Rubicon 4:1 tc, 3.73 gears and 400+ pounds of torque on stock 33' tires will be rather sweet. With a lift and 37's maybe 4:88 gears will be the bomb.


Does anyone have solid info on the tranny, which version of the ZF 8HP will be mated? Or something all together different, the 3.0 ED is version III.
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The mention of Raptors. I remember when they brought a premium mark-up. Now the local dealer has several sitting on the lot (been there for over a year) I assume they are 18's.
Ford poked the pooch in the eyes (or ears) of Truck guys with the 6 cyl.

Anyway....ALL a moot point. Ass for every seat as they say. Will they sell? Probably. Only thing for sure about the future is - Nothing is for sure.
in my neck of the woods the Raptors sell well and never stay on the lots and yup you guessed it $5000 markup. crazy. They never order base models either they are always well equipped which makes twice as hard to swallow. I need to stop jonesing for one but dang they are so nice looking.
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in my neck of the woods the Raptors sell well and never stay on the lots and yup you guessed it $5000 markup. crazy. They never order base models either they are always well equipped which makes twice as hard to swallow. I need to stop jonesing for one but dang they are so nice looking.
Me Too. I look at them every morning as I drive by. They had Four(4) it got easier when my favorite one sold (GCM w/ no stickers) THey still have Black, Blue and Dark Red...
I always say "It would be the only thing that would get me out of my Jeep" maybe one day I will pull into the lot
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Me Too. I look at them every morning as I drive by. They had Four(4) it got easier when my favorite one sold (GCM w/ no stickers) THey still have Black, Blue and Dark Red...
I always say "It would be the only thing that would get me out of my Jeep" maybe one day I will pull into the lot
yup no decals on them look best. Dark red would be an eye catcher.
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According to Jeeps build it, the transmission behind the 3.0 ED is the 8HP75 (same as Ram 1500). Cost is $2000. The other 8-speed auto (850RE) cost is $2750. Actual upgrade cost for the 3.0 ED is $3275 over the 3.6 with auto trans.
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AND that calculation does not take the likelihood of shorter maintenance intervals and generally higher maintenance costs into consideration. I haven't seen any maintenance schedules for the Wrangler Diesel, yet.

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This is how MotorTrend broke it down:

Doing the Math
Jeep says the EcoDiesel engine will cost $3,250 more than the optional gasoline V-6 and $4,500 more than the 2.0T, with a starting price of $39,290 for a base Sport model. Between that and the cost of diesel, it's a big premium up front. The Wrangler EcoDiesel also has a 5.1-gallon DEF tank that will need to be filled roughly every 10,000 miles. A pair of 2.5-gallon bottles of DEF goes for around $20.
Let's talk about these cars in terms of running costs per mile on the highway. If the diesel gets 30 mpg and a gallon of diesel fuel costs $3.06 per gallon on average, fuel costs come to $0.102 per mile. Add to that the $20 cost of DEF every 10,000 miles, running costs for the diesel are $0.104 per mile. Based on the 22-mpg highway rating of the 2.0T and V-6 Wranglers and an average regular fuel cost of $2.64 per gallon, the highway running costs of those cars come to $0.120 per mile.
The diesel, then, costs $0.016 less per mile to run on the highway than either gas-powered Wrangler. To recuperate the cost delta over a V-6 Wrangler, you'd need to cover 203,125 highway miles—over a 2.0T Wrangler, you're driving at least 281,250 miles.
Of course, calculations based on a national averages don't paint a personal picture. Your mileage may vary, but regardless, that diesel engine isn't likely to pay for itself while the original owner is driving it.

The real bummer is that the Rubi diesel will only get 3.73 gears
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Gas/Diesel price has no major impact on cost per mile estimates. roughly 15%
Depreciation of the vehicle is the major contributor.
For instance, Prius first 5 years CPM is very close if not higher than JK 3.6 CPM do to hybrid faster depreciation.
Taking into consideration that not many diesel JLs will be sold overall, it might hold price better than their "mild hybrid" siblings.
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Me Too. I look at them every morning as I drive by. They had Four(4) it got easier when my favorite one sold (GCM w/ no stickers) THey still have Black, Blue and Dark Red...
I always say "It would be the only thing that would get me out of my Jeep" maybe one day I will pull into the lot

I have to look at one daily in the driveway across the street from me (unless his son's Jeep is blocking the view).
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AND that calculation does not take the likelihood of shorter maintenance intervals and generally higher maintenance costs into consideration. I haven't seen any maintenance schedules for the Wrangler Diesel, yet.
Well, to that point, the avg maintenance cost of the mild hybrid turbo gas engine is TBD at this point (especially once the warranty runs out).
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Those gears may or may not be a bummer. For mpg purposes it will probably be a plus.


With the old 258 straight six and ax15 manual trans, 35" tires hit the sweet spot with 4.56 gears. Today the 3.6 and nag1 auto trans out performs in every way with 35" tires and 4.10 gears. On the trail, a Rubicon 4:1 tc, 3.73 gears and 400+ pounds of torque on stock 33' tires will be rather sweet. With a lift and 37's maybe 4:88 gears will be the bomb.


Does anyone have solid info on the tranny, which version of the ZF 8HP will be mated? Or something all together different, the 3.0 ED is version III.
That's my point. With 442ft/lb of torque you probably could have got by with the 4.10 gears and 37's (for DD use in flat-ish terrain).

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