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Old 11-02-2019, 01:08 PM
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My DD and Moderate Trail Lift Recommendation

In the last 2 years, we have lifted 75 JL's... We started with the Mopar kit and through the spring bow fiasco and now around 10 other MFG's of lift kits tried, we have settled on a favorite.

Overall ride quality and geometry was most important. The last 20 or so builds have all been on this combo... Zero complaints. It just drives and rides like it is supposed to.

It's the Pro Comp K3111 lift. It gives around 3" on a Sport or Sahara and around 2" on a Rubicon. The spring rates are perfect and it includes the geometry correction brackets for perfect driving dynamics.

This lift comes without shocks... Why this one without shocks? Because the Fox IFP shocks for the JL are just so good.

The shocks for the 2-3" lift are perfect and this combo is VERY hard to beat. If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else... But if you want to make your JL simply better in every way, this is my choice.



https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/pro-co..._/R-DFCW-K3111

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The statement could be made more helpful to people, like me, who are shopping for a lift kit if there was some context to the comparisons referenced.


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Temporarily ignoring ideas about ground clearance, did the comparison of the other 10 manufacturers' products include any top of the range 8 bar adjustable control arm systems?


Were any extended travel suspension set ups compared to this recommended kit?


Is this just a comparison of daily driver lifts-4-looks kits?


Without further explanation, it seems like one is left to guess which circumstance the recommended kit is ideal for.

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It looks like the Pro Comp springs are linear rate. If that's so, have you found that linear attribute to be part of what makes this combo so good?

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In the last 2 years, we have lifted 75 JL's... We started with the Mopar kit and through the spring bow fiasco and now around 10 other MFG's of lift kits tried, we have settled on a favorite.

Overall ride quality and geometry was most important. The last 20 or so builds have all been on this combo... Zero complaints. It just drives and rides like it is supposed to.

It's the Pro Comp K3111 lift. It gives around 3" on a Sport or Sahara and around 2" on a Rubicon. The spring rates are perfect and it includes the geometry correction brackets for perfect driving dynamics.

This lift comes without shocks... Why this one without shocks? Because the Fox IFP shocks for the JL are just so good.

The shocks for the 2-3" lift are perfect and this combo is VERY hard to beat. If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else... But if you want to make your JL simply better in every way, this is my choice.



https://www.4wheelparts.com/p/pro-co..._/R-DFCW-K3111

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The statement could be made more helpful to people, like me, who are shopping for a lift kit if there was some context to the comparisons referenced.


For example;



Temporarily ignoring ideas about ground clearance, did the comparison of the other 10 manufacturers' products include any top of the range 8 bar adjustable control arm systems?


Were any extended travel suspension set ups compared to this recommended kit?


Is this just a comparison of daily driver lifts-4-looks kits?


Without further explanation, it seems like one is left to guess which circumstance the recommended kit is ideal for.
I did include this in my post... "If you're building a hard core crawler out of your JL, choose something else..."

It is a mild trail and Daily Driver focused setup. It is what the vast majority of JL builds are. Other kits tried included a variety of Skyjacker, Mopar, Rancho, Teraflex, Rough Country, Superlift and Rubicon Express. We are all in around $1100 on the suspension with this setup... The 8 arm kits all start over $2k and go up from there.

The JL has nice flex even stock, but the Fox shocks are longer and will absolutely add to the RTI score.

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It looks like the Pro Comp springs are linear rate. If that's so, have you found that linear attribute to be part of what makes this combo so good?
Its possible and maybe likely... The PC springs are a great match for the Fox shocks. The Superlift kit was good too and it was a linear spring also, but needed geometry brackets added that come with the Pro Comp kit.
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Great stuff, Pressurized!

Sorry for the silly question; I’m new to JLs: what’s the Mopar lift fiasco?
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This is great stuff! Thank you, Pressurized!

Sorry for the silly question; I’m new to JLs: what’s the Mopar lift fiasco?
The JL uses a molded plastic cap on the front spring perch. It's main purpose is to insulate the spring from the axle which quiets down the suspension.

They also got cute and added some shape to those perches to introduce some spring bow in the design. Nobody knows what they were thinking, but they molded the left and right perches differently and the drivers side perch caused so much bow that at times, the spring would rub on the bump stop mount. Not to mention it looked horrible. You can Google Mopar lift spring bow and find a load of hits.

We started putting in the Rock Krawler perches with the Mopar kits and that was great. Early on, the Mopar kit with the RK perches was far and away the best setup. Granted, there weren't many options, but it was still good.

As more kits became available we started looking around and have settled on the PC and FOX shock combo.

It's the nature of the shop, we get a lot of heavy DD and mild off-road customers.
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Thanks for explaining.


I live in Moab so we see a wide range of set ups, and the term "hard core rock crawler" can seem a bit vague, unless you are speaking about an actual hard core rock crawler.


I appreciate that you explained further.



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Thanks for explaining.


I live in Moab so we see a wide range of set ups, and the term "hard core rock crawler" can seem a bit vague, unless you are speaking about an actual hard core rock crawler.


I appreciate that you explained further.



Thank you.
No problem, I get it... And from Moab, your view on what a lift kit should be is probably different than the vast majority of JL owners.

Another note, the PC springs and all components are black, just like factory. The only thing that doesn't look stock are the great looking FOX shocks in silver.
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Hey @Pressurized thanks for voicing a recommendation. I’m looking to lift my JLU in the not too distant future, but admittedly Pro Comp wasn’t even on my radar. Steel wheels, sure. But lifts? Nope, not pro comp. reading your posts over the past few years I’ve come to trust what you say and you actually influenced my choices when I lifted my previous JKU with Rancho. I’m curious what your second choice is for the JL.
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Thanks for the info Pressurized. What did you find to be the sweet spot for tire size with that lift?
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Hey @Pressurized thanks for voicing a recommendation. I’m looking to lift my JLU in the not too distant future, but admittedly Pro Comp wasn’t even on my radar. Steel wheels, sure. But lifts? Nope, not pro comp. reading your posts over the past few years I’ve come to trust what you say and you actually influenced my choices when I lifted my previous JKU with Rancho. I’m curious what your second choice is for the JL.
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There are a few that I really like. The Mopar 77072395 with the RK spring pads is still one of my favorites. The AEV N0722100AA is very good. And the JKS Std Spring with Fox Shocks and Geo Brackets is a great kit. The JKS kit has a slightly higher spring rate available, so better for steel bumpers, skids, winch, etc.

One that I want to try but have not is the OME Light Duty OMEJL2DLKS.

For a more aggressive "off-road" build, I like the RK X-Factor. But I would want to cross shop it with Metalcloak as Matson builds great stuff, I just haven't seen one in person yet.

Here's more info on the RK spring pads:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f1082/...s-2268922.html

https://www.morris4x4center.com/rock...pads-pair.html

Just for clarity, this info is based solely on my opinion and experience. Hopefully it's valuable to those looking for this category of lift kit.

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Thanks for the info Pressurized. What did you find to be the sweet spot for tire size with that lift?
35's for Sport and Sahara and 37's for Rubicon, both fit perfectly. We did put 38's on a Rubicon too, but it looked like it was going to have a slight rub. The owner said it will never be in the dirt so that's what he wanted.
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Thanks again for the info @Pressurized AEV 2.5" Dual Sport is on my short list. I have Rock Hard 4x4 steel bumpers (front and rear) along with a full set of steel skids and LOD destroyer steps/sliders so I am looking for a lift kit to handle the weight. Metal Cloak is my dream kit, but it has a bit more flex than I want to get into and then having to deal with driveshafts and wheel choice due to backspace. The AEV will work my QT 5.2" backspace wheels and is supposed to handle my extra weight well.


I'm also considering Synergy. They have a 3" spring available for the 4 door JL.


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Thanks again for the info @Pressurized AEV 2.5" Dual Sport is on my short list. I have Rock Hard 4x4 steel bumpers (front and rear) along with a full set of steel skids and LOD destroyer steps/sliders so I am looking for a lift kit to handle the weight. Metal Cloak is my dream kit, but it has a bit more flex than I want to get into and then having to deal with driveshafts and wheel choice due to backspace. The AEV will work my QT 5.2" backspace wheels and is supposed to handle my extra weight well.


I'm also considering Synergy. They have a 3" spring available for the 4 door JL.


Thanks again!
I love Synergy springs for the JK... No idea what they did with the JL's, no input. They aren't real dealer friendly, a little like Metalcloak, best to deal direct.

But I can say that the JKS is something for you to consider. Not only do they have 2 sets of springs depending on load capacity, they also can do control arms instead of brackets for more ground clearance if you want to be a little more aggressive off-road.

https://jksmfg.com/i-24048406-j-rate...jl-4-door.html
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Hey Pressurized - it's funny, I've been on the forum for about 5 years now and didn't realize you were associated with a 4x4 shop. Which one?

I've got a Metal Cloak Gamechanger on the way. I think your post said you haven't seen that set up yet on the JL, if not I'll be happy to send pics when it's done.

Definitely need to get some clearance for the 37's I just put on .
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Hey Pressurized - it's funny, I've been on the forum for about 5 years now and didn't realize you were associated with a 4x4 shop. Which one?

I've got a Metal Cloak Gamechanger on the way. I think your post said you haven't seen that set up yet on the JL, if not I'll be happy to send pics when it's done.

Definitely need to get some clearance for the 37's I just put on .
I'll PM you...

Matson always produces good stuff. Early on, I was probably the #1 MC fanboi back before MC was popular here on WF. Others like RK adapted and improved their designs to keep up. MC didn't have to...

I'm confident they would be good... But going to be a more off-road focused setup, meaning more $$ to build.
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I'll PM you...

Matson always produces good stuff. Early on, I was probably the #1 MC fanboi back before MC was popular here on WF. Others like RK adapted and improved their designs to keep up. MC didn't have to...

I'm confident they would be good... But going to be a more off-road focused setup, meaning more $$ to build.
Yep - Wheeled my JKR hard and want the JLUR to be able to tackle about anything as well. Putting stupid money in this build just like I did the last one, but it's money well spent for the fun factor.
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I'll preface by saying I know nothing about lifts...

I've been casually looking around for a lift for my 2-door Sport, is that something even available yet? I can't find much at all about 2-doors, everyone seems to be talking about JLUs. I'd like to go ~2" up, nothing huge.

Is that a custom project type of thing or can I buy the entire package from a good name brand?

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I'll preface by saying I know nothing about lifts...

I've been casually looking around for a lift for my 2-door Sport, is that something even available yet? I can't find much at all about 2-doors, everyone seems to be talking about JLUs. I'd like to go ~2" up, nothing huge.

Is that a custom project type of thing or can I buy the entire package from a good name brand?

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What is your goal? Larger tires? Significantly more off-road capability? Beefier look? 2" is doable, but you might be best off with a spacer lift...

A spacer lift will not lift more than the spacer size where spring lifts can sometimes be a fair amount more... So a 2.5" Teraflex spacer lift goes up exactly 2.5 in front and 2.0 in rear. It allows 35" tires on a Sport and works exactly as intended.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/teraflex...r-unlimited-jl
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What is your goal? Larger tires? Significantly more off-road capability? Beefier look? 2" is doable, but you might be best off with a spacer lift...

A spacer lift will not lift more than the spacer size where spring lifts can sometimes be a fair amount more... So a 2.5" Teraflex spacer lift goes up exactly 2.5 in front and 2.0 in rear. It allows 35" tires on a Sport and works exactly as intended.

https://www.quadratec.com/p/teraflex...r-unlimited-jl
Assuming a similar 2.5” increase: is there an inherent difference in the quality of the ride between a spacer lift and a complete lift? How about in the articulation?
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Assuming a similar 2.5” increase: is there an inherent difference in the quality of the ride between a spacer lift and a complete lift? How about in the articulation?
In most cases, as long as the spacer lift isn't too high, the ride on a spacer lift feels just like stock. You are essentially not changing anything but a little bit of the geometry. The articulation stays stock as well. The only way to increase articulation is to install longer shocks. Usually you need longer springs to support the longer shocks... Thus the increase in performance with a full lift kit.

The stock JL scores about the same on the CTI trailer as a some of the popular 2.5" lift kits for the JK, like Teraflex and AEV... Much better than a stock JK.
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I'm looking to put some larger tires on it and want it to look beefier for sure. I don't off-road really at all so that need is not there.

I noticed that link brings me to a Teraflex spacer lift that says "for 18-20 Jeep Wrangler JL Unlimited". Again, I know nothing about lifts, does it matter that mine is a 2-door and not a Unlimited? I had just assumed that there was 2-door specific lift out there...

I don't have any place to install it myself at, we live in an apartment and the owners frown on anyone working on their vehicles here. What's a reasonable price for an install of this type of lift?

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2dr is just fine... Order it with the shock extensions to keep it simple.
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@Pressurized follow up question:

I decided to get a Daystar Comfort Ride lift kit, a set of 33” KO2s and be done. The Comfort Ride Kit provides a 3/4-inch lift to the front, 1/5-inch to the rear, and maintains the original geometry. https://www.quadratec.com/p/daystar/...IaAvCHEALw_wcB

The 33” KO2s fit without any lift; I just want to give my Sahara a little more clearance without messing too much with the factory height.


My 89-year old dad and 88-year old aunt need to be able to get in and out of my Jeep.


With that in mind, is there a good set of shocks you would recommend to improve the ride of my JL Sahara?
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I decided to get a Daystar Comfort Ride lift kit, a set of 33” KO2s and be done. The Comfort Ride Kit provides a 3/4-inch lift to the front, 1/5-inch to the rear, and maintains the original geometry. https://www.quadratec.com/p/daystar/...IaAvCHEALw_wcB

The 33” KO2s fit without any lift; I just want to give my Sahara a little more clearance without messing too much with the factory height.


My 89-year old dad and 88-year old aunt need to be able to get in and out of my Jeep.


With that in mind, is there a good set of shocks you would recommend to improve the ride of my JL Sahara?
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I decided to get a Daystar Comfort Ride lift kit, a set of 33” KO2s and be done. The Comfort Ride Kit provides a 3/4-inch lift to the front, 1/5-inch to the rear, and maintains the original geometry. https://www.quadratec.com/p/daystar/...IaAvCHEALw_wcB

The 33” KO2s fit without any lift; I just want to give my Sahara a little more clearance without messing too much with the factory height.


With that in mind, is there a good set of shocks you would recommend to improve the ride of my JL Sahara?
The best riding shock I have found is the FOX Performance IFP. They have a 0-1.5" shock and it's likely that is what I would choose.

The other shock that I thought rode well was the Skyjacker Black Max. But I only drove on those a short bit. They are definitely less expensive.
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So I had the Daystar Comfort Ride spacer lift (3/4” in front, 1/5” in rear) installed —see below.

You can barely notice the difference from afar. However, with the 33” KO2s and this mild lift, the Jeep has gained a little over 1” in height. My butt now slides off the seat when I get out.

Overall I am happy with this lift: you can tell you are sitting higher from the driver seat; the Jeep now stands above other vehicles on the parking lot, my 89-year old dad can still get in-and-out of the Jeep, and the ride feels more isolated and refined.

It cost me $49.99 for the spacer lift (free shipping and no tax at Quadratec) + $230 installation at my local repair shop, for a total of $280. I can’t really complain.

When the Jeep is out of warranty I may go for a proper 2” lift, like the one @Pressurized recommends on here. In the meantime, this is good enough to keep everyone happy.

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