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Old 12-05-2017, 12:47 AM
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My thoughts on the JL after seeing in person autoshow

Was at the LA auto show last week. Saw the Jeep sat inside, took up the speakers, ruffled around the seats, sat at all the seats, and played with the touchscreen a lot.

Front driver seat - Super comfy, leather seats really nice. Steering wheel is well done. It looks and feels amazing. The gauges are a big upgrade and looks good. The height I felt of the seat was really good and back felt good.

Center Console - The touch screen worked very fast! zoom in and zoom out no lag at all. The Rear camera video quality was one of the best I've seen. All the AUX ports are pretty to look at it.

Speakers - I turned on the radio and took up the speakers full volume. It had alpine speakers. This was a none rubi. It was okay, because was the radio not good quality music.

Passenger seat - Liked it. Not power seating. Had this pulley handle to adjust the backrest. The glovebox was pretty tiny. It was long and narrow(eh).

The backseats - The backseat leg room was small. I am 6ft, and it was not the most comfortable to be honest. A little bit cramped.

The trunk space - Maybe I am wrong but the trunk space felt and looked smaller than the JK model.

The LED lighting - WOW amazing! first thing I noticed when walking towards the Jeep. Really well done by Jeep.

Tires - The tires on the Sahara was okay.. But the rubicon 33 inch tires it comes with really makes a difference in cosmetic looks to me.

Spoke to the rep and said sahara base pricing will be about 36k and rubicon 40k. Can't wait to get one!

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Thanks for the "up close and personal" review. I watched the launch online and am impressed it still looks like a wrangler. The new grille and headlights are growing on me. The one design element I don't care for is the body line down the side. To me it looks like they ripped off the Mercedes 4x4, which I'm not a fan of. I can't wait to see one in person but have no immediate plans to trade my 2015 two door Sahara. (I've got too much sunk into mods! :-)

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Thanks for the "up close and personal" review. I watched the launch online and am impressed it still looks like a wrangler. The new grille and headlights are growing on me. The one design element I don't care for is the body line down the side. To me it looks like they ripped off the Mercedes 4x4, which I'm not a fan of. I can't wait to see one in person but have no immediate plans to trade my 2015 two door Sahara. (I've got too much sunk into mods! :-)
Just realized my photos came out upside down opps. Yeah, the lining on the side is not really needed, but I can see how they're trying to throw in a bit of modern look. For sure it got the most attention from most other cars. Had a big crowd around it and wanting to sit inside. The Acura NSX though was amazing..sat inside
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Dang, flip those suckers, creaking my neck looking at them.

Overall I like it. With a Rubi and 33's and the LED lights, there is not much initial modding that really needs to be done. I just really hope they make available those full black wheels, those things are hot!
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I really like the new Rubicon. I have a 2016 JKUR HR and I saw they incorporated all the Hardrock details into it aaannnnd added 33’s. Nice touch.
I also like how the rear side windows come out on the Unlimited.
I think overall this new design is a nice improvement on a stellar vehicle.
The factory half doors are really cool too.
The fold down windshield I could take or leave, and the front bumper has a sculpted top that is also in the I could take it or leave it category.
But overall I am tempted to get further in debt. LOL
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Something tells me that that front windshield is going to be a problem area with leaks.
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So with the power sliding top, the roof doesn’t come off?
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I was at the auto show yesterday. I really liked the interior. However, it felt like there was less headroom than in my 2015 JKUR. It was a bit hard to tell because the soft top was open.

I would love to know if anyone else felt the same. I did not check the seat height and perhaps the seat was just raised up all the way.

Overall, I liked the JL (especially the yellow Rubi) and am strongly considering buying one.

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No the roof does not come off from what I could tell. You take off the side panels it seems like if you want. The sliding roof looks nice and well made in my opinion.
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From what I've read, the sliding roof can come off but Jeep advises against it. I assume it's tricky to get positioned correctly.
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If I had windows in the bottoms off my doors in traffic, I would probably end up arrested for indecent exposure the first time someone pissed me off.

The red one is really nice.
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OP....not that anyone buys a Wrangler if their first priority is the ultimate in rear row seats, but that said, if you've been inside the JKU, did the JLU's rear seats show improvement (to your recollection,) be it comfort, greater firmness (the dipping middle seat of the JKU) better angle, etc.?
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OP....not that anyone buys a Wrangler if their first priority is the ultimate in rear row seats, but that said, if you've been inside the JKU, did the JLU's rear seats show improvement (to your recollection,) be it comfort, greater firmness (the dipping middle seat of the JKU) better angle, etc.?

I honestly seemed the same to me. Maybe an inch more of leg room at best haha. The angle was positioned better for back support and not uncomfortable.
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Personally it was a wonderful experience because at various points of my life I had own a 82 CJ7, 90 YJ, 95 TJ, and now 10 JKU. So lots of emotion and anticipation and questions if im going to like it. And the answer: Yes its awesome. On of the biggest thing I notice its how round everything in the body is, but in a good way. From the windshield to the back taillight, the body line have a bit of a curve to it, maybe the reason the trunk looks small to me too. I saw a 2d rubicon with a 2.0 engine, will wonder how it will perform off road. Like others here say rear seat more comfortable but about the same size as Jk, the headrest is 1000 time better that Jk well a wood block is better that the JK. I do agree with all of the other comments above.
There is one thing that I didn't like and is the rear bumper. i dont know what happen there in the design team, it doesn't match the overall design and it dont have the great things than the front bumper have. From the pictures online it look ok but when I saw it for the first time I didn't liked and the plastic material and color made it flat and once it fades with the sun will not look good. Its almost too much plastic that sticks out especially on the corners.
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I also like the body details on the rear gate and taillights.
Adding aftermarket seat in the rear will be tricky and as speaker housing its right behind the bench seat. ( I have them on my JKU )https://youtu.be/vT5U0EUFXS8?t=232
The steering stabilize is setup a different that the jk
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This may be a dumb question, but I have to ask. Why is there a large hole in the bottom side of the door on that red 2 door Rubicon? Don't get that.

Generally, I love the thing. However, not sure about the design decision wherein the rear roll cage ends quite a bit short of the rear of the vehicle. Looks a bit off to me.
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^in case you have a lap dog, like a Boston terrier or a pug, allows the dog easy access to the Jeep.
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as a tall Jeep owner I'm really concerned about the loss of headroom. If that's the case my JK may have to last for a really long time.
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Just buy the pictures .....not really a fan. To me they have taken a lot away from the off road vehicle and leaning very heavily to more of a street SUV vehicle.
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This may be a dumb question, but I have to ask. Why is there a large hole in the bottom side of the door on that red 2 door Rubicon? Don't get that...
Is it actually a hole or is there a window in there?

I could see it being a window for better trail visibility, but if it's a hole I would just prefer tube doors instead.
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Just buy the pictures .....not really a fan. To me they have taken a lot away from the off road vehicle and leaning very heavily to more of a street SUV vehicle.
How so? Is it the higher fender line, wheel offset, and other preparations that allow for larger tires in otherwise factory form? The improved approach, break over, and departure angles? The improved axles?
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Just buy the pictures .....not really a fan. To me they have taken a lot away from the off road vehicle and leaning very heavily to more of a street SUV vehicle.
What specifically are you referring to?
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How so? Is it the higher fender line, wheel offset, and other preparations that allow for larger tires in otherwise factory form? The improved approach, break over, and departure angles? The improved axles?
Well for a couple of things
1. The window in the door ??? I can see that getting broke first time going off road or even driving down the highway rock flip up crack. I can do damage myself without any help.

2. They say you can take the rails off the top but when you put the back on it is difficult to put them back on straight. HMMMM sounds like if you down it will leak and / or wind noise.

Just my opinion and you cant please everyone
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Yes Dozer, everyone gets an opinion.

As far as your concerns, you noted:

1. The lower window in the the front doors is an option, which most probably wouldn't get, especially the rock crawlers. They'll just take the doors off or have tube doors.

2. The rails being difficult to reattach. this is only for the power retractable soft top. Again this wouldn't be an option for the rock crawler crews.

A couple issues I DO see being an issue for harder used Jeeps are

A. The LED lights set into the front fenders. Not sure how they'll hold up after getting smacked into the rocks a few times.

B. The rear signal lights that sit out proud of the fender line of the back corners of the jeep. These will definitely be knocked off in short order.

C. The ez fold down window is supposed to be a benefit to the offroaders, but from the early pix, this looks like it'll limit vision over the corners of the hood. Not to mention it looks like it'll snag any tree limb you drive past. Obviously you don't Have to put the window down, I just don't see much benefit unless you're cruising the beach.

D. The rear view camera pod will be smacked numerous times. backing into things, door swinging into things.... This will be a problem and probably need to be replaced.

E. Durability of some of the new gizmos will need some real world testing, the new builtin handles on the front pillars, the adjustable third brake light, the new tools in the tool set, the new handles in the door panel to remove the doors, how does the power roof work after driving days in the sand at Moab, or after being flushed with muddy water...

Just some thoughts.
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Just realized my photos came out upside down opps. Yeah, the lining on the side is not really needed, but I can see how they're trying to throw in a bit of modern look. For sure it got the most attention from most other cars. Had a big crowd around it and wanting to sit inside. The Acura NSX though was amazing..sat inside
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Yes Dozer, everyone gets an opinion.

As far as your concerns, you noted:

1. The lower window in the the front doors is an option, which most probably wouldn't get, especially the rock crawlers. They'll just take the doors off or have tube doors.

2. The rails being difficult to reattach. this is only for the power retractable soft top. Again this wouldn't be an option for the rock crawler crews.

A couple issues I DO see being an issue for harder used Jeeps are

A. The LED lights set into the front fenders. Not sure how they'll hold up after getting smacked into the rocks a few times.

B. The rear signal lights that sit out proud of the fender line of the back corners of the jeep. These will definitely be knocked off in short order.

C. The ez fold down window is supposed to be a benefit to the offroaders, but from the early pix, this looks like it'll limit vision over the corners of the hood. Not to mention it looks like it'll snag any tree limb you drive past. Obviously you don't Have to put the window down, I just don't see much benefit unless you're cruising the beach.

D. The rear view camera pod will be smacked numerous times. backing into things, door swinging into things.... This will be a problem and probably need to be replaced.

E. Durability of some of the new gizmos will need some real world testing, the new builtin handles on the front pillars, the adjustable third brake light, the new tools in the tool set, the new handles in the door panel to remove the doors, how does the power roof work after driving days in the sand at Moab, or after being flushed with muddy water...

Just some thoughts.
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Looks like we get 4.10's with the 8 speed and Rubicon without the $700 option from 3.73's. I built one up like my 14 and it MSRP'd at just under $52K. They have finally exceeded my desire to pay that amount. IMO, there will be many great deals on used 16's and 17's when these hit and would be my choice.
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Looks like we get 4.10's with the 8 speed and Rubicon without the $700 option from 3.73's. I built one up like my 14 and it MSRP'd at just under $52K. They have finally exceeded my desire to pay that amount. IMO, there will be many great deals on used 16's and 17's when these hit and would be my choice.


Yea I priced one at 50k as well, with a few add ons from my 30k current Jeep. That’s ridiculous, rear camera and other enhancements not worth 20k

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