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Old 11-12-2019, 06:50 PM
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Plugin Hybrid release date?

Does anyone know when the recently announced Wrangler plugin hybrid will be released? Sounds like a perfect combo! Can’t wait!

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It’ll likely have a $75,000 price tag, too.
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:24 AM
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It’ll likely have a $75,000 price tag, too.
Wow! You think? I didn’t consider the price increase 😝
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$25K for the jeep $50K for the super long extension cord
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Wow! You think? I didn’t consider the price increase 😝
Yeah. PHEV adds about $15,000 to the cost of a vehicle.

Depending where you live and on your tax situation, you may be able to offset some of that through State and Federal tax credits.

Also, depending on how desperate FCA is to improve its CAFE numbers, and how popular/unpopular a model is, FCA may be willing to absorb —i.e., subsidize— some of that cost.

For instance, FCA was offering $99/month leases on Fiat 500e to comply with CA emissions regulations. But given Wrangler’s popularity, I wouldn’t bet on it.
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Yeah. PHEV adds about $15,000 to the cost of a vehicle.

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Where did you pull that nonsense number from? The actual FCA vehicle that currently has the PEH powertrain that is going into the JL is no where near that

Pacifica Limited gas: $44,695 (MSRP)
Pacifica Limited PEH: $45,795

Pacifica Touring L gas: $36,795
Pacifica Touring L PEH: $42,445

Pacifica 35th Limited gas: $45,390
Pacifica 35th Limited PEH: $46,490

Now, Im not going to 1:1 all the options, but that is quite a distance from
$15,000 for just the PEH power train.

You can speculate all you want, but $15,000 is laughable. I would be shocked if it was more than the diesel option
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Yeah. PHEV adds about $15,000 to the cost of a vehicle.

Depending where you live and on your tax situation, you may be able to offset some of that through State and Federal tax credits.

Also, depending on how desperate FCA is to improve its CAFE numbers, and how popular/unpopular a model is, FCA may be willing to absorb —i.e., subsidize— some of that cost.

For instance, FCA was offering $99/month leases on Fiat 500e to comply with CA emissions regulations. But given Wrangler’s popularity, I wouldn’t bet on it.
Yeah, looking at $70K Saharas now.
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Where did you pull that nonsense number from? The actual FCA vehicle that currently has the PEH powertrain that is going into the JL is no where near that

Pacifica Limited gas: $44,695 (MSRP)
Pacifica Limited PEH: $45,795

Pacifica Touring L gas: $36,795
Pacifica Touring L PEH: $42,445

Pacifica 35th Limited gas: $45,390
Pacifica 35th Limited PEH: $46,490

Now, Im not going to 1:1 all the options, but that is quite a distance from
$15,000 for just the PEH power train.

You can speculate all you want, but $15,000 is laughable. I would be shocked if it was more than the diesel option
Dude, take a chill pill and laugh all you want. That’s the number automakers estimate costs to add PHEV.

MSRPs do not reflect that cost; they are simply what automakers believe consumers are willing to pay. Just like JL prices don’t reflect what it costs FCA to make them, but their estimation of what consumers will bear.

Chances are FCA is conducting clinics right now to see how much a PHEV is worth to JL buyers. However, running clinics is no assurance they will get it right. They screwed up the pricing of JL eTorque the first time around.
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Yeah, looking at $70K Saharas now.
Yeah. When we think $60,000 for a JL 4-cyl is insane, a few months later we get thrown a JL EcoDiesel for $65,000, and so forth.
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Whatever it will be, it won't be a Jeep. Might be OK for a pavement pounding grocery gitter that happens to look like a Wrangler. Sure, make a few PEH Wranglers for the PC EcoFriendly tree huggers. I'll have nothing to do with them. I might get a golf cart to get a gallon of milk.
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I won’t get into the tree-hugger name-calling, but I agree a Wrangler PHEV makes as much sense as alcohol-free beer.
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I won’t get into the tree-hugger name-calling, but I agree a Wrangler PHEV makes as much sense as alcohol-free beer.
That's ok. Pixie Decals will just come up with a hood decal that will say "O'Doul's" instead of RUBICON or MOAB.
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Never quite "Got" why some feel the need to load a post with insult words.... Really doesn't accomplish .... much.

As for power trains.... I've been pretty happy with my V6/8sp AT combo.

Lifted w/35's and on 87/summer gas I routinely get north of 21-22 mpg.

I have friends with mid-size 2wd cars that get that....
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I think a plug-in hybrid makes a lot of sense for someone who also uses their JL as a daily commuter. Not everyone can afford both a commuter and a fun weekender. And don't forget- it will still have an engine after all. Seriously, get over the "it won't be a Jeep" grumping, guys.

My wife has a plug-in hybrid Pacifica. She gets over 30 miles on a charge, which is enough to cover her entire daily commute. She hasn't bought gas in months, and that was only because she did a road-trip to visit her family in Arizona.

I just have no idea where they are going to cram that battery on the JL. On the Pacifica it takes up the space that would let you fold the middle row of seats down into the floor in the non-hybrid version, but the JL doesn't have anything like that.
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I think a plug-in hybrid makes a lot of sense for someone who also uses their JL as a daily commuter.
My wife has a plug-in hybrid Pacifica. She gets over 30 miles on a charge, which is enough to cover her entire daily commute. She hasn't bought gas in months, and that was only because she did a road-trip to visit her family in Arizona.
I am seriously considering the PEH for exactly these reasons. My JK has about 110k on it now and wont last forever. It's about a 20 mile trip one way to work so it makes sense. My work also has plug in ports in the lot, so drive in, plug in, drive home, zero gas. How much does it cost in electricity to charge that battery? My JK gets about a tank a week commuting, so about $45-$50.
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I was interested so I started researching.... it said that there are still a fair amount of public charging stations that are Free. I found that a bit remarkable, if true I imagine that will go the way of the DoDo bird if/when the trend becomes a norm.

That would be pretty cool (if it was close to the office) stop, get a cup of coffee, plug in and walk away.
Whew... I spend like $6,000 a year in Gas.
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I was interested so I started researching.... it said that there are still a fair amount of public charging stations that are Free. I found that a bit remarkable, if true I imagine that will go the way of the DoDo bird if/when the trend becomes a norm.



That would be pretty cool (if it was close to the office) stop, get a cup of coffee, plug in and walk away.

Whew... I spend like $6,000 a year in Gas.


Nothing is FREE. Those business and areas with “free charging” are passing the costs somehow.

For instance, Publix and Florida grocery chain has these plug in stations. As does Whole Foods and several other business. Don’t think that prices don’t go up (might be $.05 on blueberries) but that cost is being passes on to EVERYONE. So EV people are getting fuel/energy by everyone else.
Then they drive the same roads and cause same wear and tear. They don’t pay a gas tax and mooch off everyone else.

Now I will probably own a electric car some time in the next few years. I am sure by then the “free stations” are gone and Congress will pass a EV tax for roads and infrastructure.

I would LOVE a EV or Plug Hybrid Wrangler as a DD.


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Pretty much the point I made....
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Yes, it all makes perfect sense, especially for commuting. Does anyone know of Jeep has announced a release date?
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Nothing is FREE. Those business and areas with “free charging” are passing the costs somehow.

For instance, Publix and Florida grocery chain has these plug in stations. As does Whole Foods and several other business. Don’t think that prices don’t go up (might be $.05 on blueberries) but that cost is being passes on to EVERYONE. So EV people are getting fuel/energy by everyone else.
Then they drive the same roads and cause same wear and tear. They don’t pay a gas tax and mooch off everyone else.

Now I will probably own a electric car some time in the next few years. I am sure by then the “free stations” are gone and Congress will pass a EV tax for roads and infrastructure.

I would LOVE a EV or Plug Hybrid Wrangler as a DD.


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It's not free if someone has to pay for it. And someone does, somehow somewhere. Yep, free power while you are seeing your free Dr with free healthcare. Right after you drop the kids off at the free child care. Now if I could just get someone to mow the lawn and clean the house for free. Sorry about the rant, I am old.


That’s my point. Not free


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