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Old 10-09-2018, 09:15 AM   #31
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Sigh, can we move on from the dancing on other users graves and move back to the issue?

I'd still like to see how many Jeeps actually have bad welds. The one picture I did see looked like the machine missed the joint alltogther and put the weld on the bracket, which of course is useless. I also want to know how this happened? Was the machine broken, set up wrong or was it worker error on some random Friday.
Three possible causes.

1. The bracket was not located in the correct location.
2. The N/C program was not correct.
3. The machine calibration was out of specification.

Of the three I would bet on number 3.

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Rubicon Bound. Looks like you have not posted for over three weeks. Hope you did not abandon the site over the weld/recall issue.

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Rubicon Bound. Looks like you have not posted for over three weeks. Hope you did not abandon the site over the weld/recall issue.

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Rubicon Bound. Looks like you have not posted for over three weeks. Hope you did not abandon the site over the weld/recall issue.

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My guess is if he or she actually does work within the walls of Jeep, which has been stated, then Jeep legal probably has reeled in their social media folks and sequestered them from public comment.

This has been brewing behind the scenes for more than three weeks.

Since this is a safety recall with legal, regulatory and stop-sale impacts, the communication strategy is important.

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My guess is if he or she actually does work within the walls of Jeep, which has been stated, then Jeep legal probably has reeled in their social media folks and sequestered them from public comment.



This has been brewing behind the scenes for more than three weeks.



Since this is a safety recall with legal, regulatory and stop-sale impacts, the communication strategy is important.



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The rude way though that they attacked a fellow member who had problems with welds, talking down to them as if they were a hysterical child, I would hope they weren't an employee, and especially a social media employee.
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My grandfather told me that he thought every day was an opportunity to learn something and that he had never yet lived a day where he did not learn something.. He was a brilliant engineer with numerous huge successes, but he still claimed to be ignorant of many things.
Hopefully we all learn from this and admit our shortcomings (even if only to ourselves), grow from them and move on....

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My grandfather told me that he thought every day was an opportunity to learn something and that he had never yet lived a day where he did not learn something.. He was a brilliant engineer with numerous huge successes, but he still claimed to be ignorant of many things.
Hopefully we all learn from this and admit our shortcomings (even if only to ourselves), grow from them and move on....

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My guess is if he or she actually does work within the walls of Jeep
Out of curiosity, do the forum admins vet people who claim to work for Jeep / FCA?

I can see why they would not do so under normal circumstance but when someone claims to work for a company that the forum is dedicated to, maybe they should?

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The rude way though that they attacked a fellow member who had problems with welds, talking down to them as if they were a hysterical child, I would hope they weren't an employee, and especially a social media employee.
I am over it and as far as I am concerned the dude is a duche. If he does work for FCA, he probably shouldn't if he can't treat people who help him make a living with a little respect..

My .02... I am outta the JL area for now...
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Out of curiosity, do the forum admins vet people who claim to work for Jeep / FCA?

I can see why they would not do so under normal circumstance but when someone claims to work for a company that the forum is dedicated to, maybe they should?



I am over it and as far as I am concerned the dude is a duche. If he does work for FCA, he probably shouldn't if he can't treat people who help him make a living with a little respect..

My .02... I am outta the JL area for now...
If you leave there's gonna be like 7 of us left ... lol. I bounce back and forth JK/JL i have a TJ still so I check things out there as well.
I look at it as We are All Jeepers.... which is why when I see discord among members ....
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I just log on to the forum to read all comments. I am not model prejudiced.

Bottom line on this weld question, if there is an issue, identify it and correct it.

I can understand the need to attack this from technical and PR aspects, but I would hope FCA doesn't have trolls just to down play an issue.

I was ready to look at the JL but will wait to see what FCA determines and what action they intend to take.
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I look at it as We are All Jeepers.... which is why when I see discord among members ....
You're right and in hindsight I probably should not have called him out like I did... My bad for doing so as I should have just left it alone and moved on....

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Out of curiosity, do the forum admins vet people who claim to work for Jeep / FCA?

I can see why they would not do so under normal circumstance but when someone claims to work for a company that the forum is dedicated to, maybe they should?

I am over it and as far as I am concerned the dude is a duche. If he does work for FCA, he probably shouldn't if he can't treat people who help him make a living with a little respect..
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https://www.wranglerforum.com/f714/y...2311098-4.html


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Well, to back the guy up, this thread is about rust being a myth, and not the weld quality. And it is a fact that the copper colored spots on a lot of welds, aren't rust.

I've mentionned it numerous times on different threads regarding this subject.... take a white rag and go rub what you consider to be a rust spot on a weld and see for yourself. Rust would easily transfer onto that rag and those spots just don't. So it ain't rust.

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This place is brutal.... chews members up and spits em' out!
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Well, to back the guy up, this thread is about rust being a myth, and not the weld quality. And it is a fact that the copper colored spots on a lot of welds, aren't rust.

I've mentionned it numerous times on different threads regarding this subject.... take a white rag and go rub what you consider to be a rust spot on a weld and see for yourself. Rust would easily transfer onto that rag and those spots just don't. So it ain't rust.

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Hey! Sorry for leaving you guys hanging. In the past few months of being absent on the forum, I've gone through a job change at Jeep, pretty bad vehicle accident (Not my fault. I was driving a JL tho), and my mother has become terribly ill. I don't have a lot of time to be on the forum, so I haven't been beside messaging a couple people back. I don't have the time to reply to everyone, so I'm going to bunch it all together into this one post, so I hope this will do.

I want to address posts made by these people: Jj2339, NotARubicon!, CJREX, Dooz85, DIRT BOY, raqball, ztman. I'm trying to remember everything that they said, so I'll try my best not to miss any. First off MKDFW, Yes, I've been on the forum maybe 3 times in the last 4 months or whenever I left. No, I haven't been reading this thread or any other threads/posts, so this is my first time seeing this thread since I originally made it. As said above, I was on a few times to message people back. As to what m998dna said, no, I was not instructed to not talk about this issue. I don't think anyone was. Usually, if something big happens, like when the diesel emission things happened with the EcoDiesels, everyone is just told to tell the customer to call FCA Canada Care. When they call they're just given an apology speech. But, I don't have customers calling me, so I don't' deal with it. RubiconSS I want to respond to your post as well, I don't generally think this forum "chews users up, and spits them out" I think life happens and or people just lose interest or are too busy. Now, a place like WayALife or pirate off-road spits people out. Those forums are wacky so I just don't use them as they're redundant as far as new info goes with this forum. IMO this is the best Jeep forum in the multiverse at the current date. I will address raqball as well. I don't see what calling me a douche accomplishes. I believe in general most people are good at heart, and I'd bet you're one of them. Just because people don't agree on a very specific topic on a forum, doesn't mean they aren't good people, or that one person doesn't like the other, I'm sure you're a great person and you're probably super nice in real life. I don't have any grudge against you what-so-ever. If you ever needed help with your Jeep I'd be first in line to help. BTW if you're the person I'm thinking of and I'm not sure if you want this info out there, if not let me know and I'll delete it but I played a very small part in getting your JL replaced when you emailed Mike M about your issues (I think it was you, but it's been months so I can't recall. Again, I have nothing against you and hope you new Jeep is everything you've ever wanted it to be. I just feel a lot of new Jeep owners think every little thing is an issue when most times it's not. Just because Jeep helped or replaced a vehicle doesn't mean it's for the reason you think. Or that, that's the only reason.

Also, I'd like to add in general, in the nicest way possible, what people have said about me on this forum has had ZERO to do with my activity on the forum. I have much bigger issues than to worry about people who disagree with me on a Jeep forum. Most often on this forum, I try to be as civil as possible, but in order to progress, we risk offending people. It's just how communication works. I can't please everyone and I'd never try to. So I'm just going to leave it at that. I don't care and it hasn't swayed me to stay away from the forum any bit whatsoever.

Now on to the main reason I'm replying to this thread. As to what fishforlife37 and I think rubisteph said, my original post on this thread is about a different issue. So why everyone is quick to throw a finger saying I'm wrong because there is a new track-bar recall, it's a completely different, unrelated issue. Again, thank you to the couple users who have pointed that out while I've been absent. To this day the topic I originally made this thread about has not changed, there have been no further recalls or TSB's beside the one I listed originally, which is to just cover the brown spots with paint pretty much. To this day it's still not a real issue.

The only other thing I think I missed way about my employment with FCA. I've never set out to prove I work for FCA, it happened by accident. But just for you guys to get proof I guess, check my original posts, I posted all the new info for the 2018 JL, 2019 Cherokee, and the new 2019 Ram's. I was the first person to post most of the info online, weeks before anyone else. When I posted it people didn't believe me then and someone said "well, guess we'll see if he's right when the vehicles are released" I didn't want to say I told you so, so I'll just leave it at that. Even I guess one could say maybe I just guessed all the info right, which I mean would be virtually impossible because I gave very specific specs and release dates, I've actually helped quite a few forum members with their vehicle purchase and tracking, along with a number of moderators on this forum. I told the users and mods not to post on the forum saying I've helped them as I didn't want everyone messaging me asking for tracking or help with their Jeep as I didn't have the time with the launch of the JL. But yeah, I've helped dozens of members and a handful of mods with my "FCA employee powers" I don't want to put anyone's info at jeopardy, so if any of you guys want your name removed let me know, but just to name a few members I've helped @NullNomad , @Bonecollector , @Bueller44 , and @tabber02 who is a mod. If these users are still active they should all be able to confirm I've helped them in ways only an FCA employee could, not only that but I gave them info normal lower-level FCA employees wouldn't have access to. And no, I didn't leak info to them or anything I'm not allowed to do, more like, I just helped them with their specific Jeeps if that makes sense. I've made some great friendships with people on this forum, including the people I've mentioned above, you guys have no idea how many times I got the message "If you're ever in my neck of the woods, beers are on me" I've gotten that so many time. So thank you to all the friendships hope you guys are all doing well. I should add, I'm not sure when I'll be back on the forum, I hope everyone can understand the problems I'm dealing with now and can give me a one time pass considering the circumstances. Oh before I go, JL's are a tank in accidents! Seriously, the thing saved my passengers and my life!
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Hello RB, Sorry to hear of the difficulties you and yours have experienced. NOTHING more important than tending to Mom and the other issues.
That sums it up IMO. I do believe that social media (this forum included) has a buzz saw approach to any loaf of bread simple because of the anonymity and the immediacy - No I.D. and no delay thought to expression.
We, as a society, need a lot of things - a faster delivery system of communication one to another wasn't one of them. I always say, "10 minutes is your friend- take it".
Anyway, Hope all is well that ends well.

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Hey RB, hate to hear that you're having a massive dose of "life" dumped on you. Hope all is on the up and up. I'll admit I got pretty damn worried when you vanished and for obvious reasons.

I have to second RSS, I'm the type that wants to see life slow down. I miss the days of walking down the road to have an evening chat with the neighbor. These days its a txt, followed by a call 5 seconds later, then another IM asking why you're not replying.

I know I'm probably the farthest from where you are, but don't hesitate to reach out if you think there's anything I can help with.
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It is easy to walk away from a Social Media site like these forums in the face of "negative feedback" especially while dealing with the life hammer that hits us sometimes. Thank you @RubiconBound for your honor and strength. It is times like this when I realize this is one of the better sites I choose to hang my avatar at.
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RubiconBound really glad you and yours fared safely in your accident. I will pray for the best for your Momma. That is a thing I am all to familiar with.

If you need a break from the snow belt send me an SOS and head South for some West Texas depressurization. Even with my gimpy knee my grandson and I enjoyed some great overlanding and a bit of hunting over the Thanksgiving week. Going to head out again next week for my wife to get herself right.

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I will address raqball as well. I don't see what calling me a douche accomplishes. I believe in general most people are good at heart, and I'd bet you're one of them. Just because people don't agree on a very specific topic on a forum, doesn't mean they aren't good people, or that one person doesn't like the other, I'm sure you're a great person and you're probably super nice in real life. I don't have any grudge against you what-so-ever. If you ever needed help with your Jeep I'd be first in line to help. BTW if you're the person I'm thinking of and I'm not sure if you want this info out there, if not let me know and I'll delete it but I played a very small part in getting your JL replaced when you emailed Mike M about your issues (I think it was you, but it's been months so I can't recall. Again, I have nothing against you and hope you new Jeep is everything you've ever wanted it to be. I just feel a lot of new Jeep owners think every little thing is an issue when most times it's not. Just because Jeep helped or replaced a vehicle doesn't mean it's for the reason you think. Or that, that's the only reason.
Spare me the BS response...

Your previous comments directed at me were rude, obtuse and out of line... My Jeep had issues, serious issues, and I shared them in a thread that was relevant and appropriate. You decided to bash, ridicule and attack me, call me a new clueless Jeep owner ect. When called on it, you then decided to double and triple down on the nonsense and crude remarks....

Here is a link to the recap of your comments:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f1082/...l#post33968331

Had you came back and apologized for your behavior and comments I would have accepted it but you didn't... I doubt you had anything to do with my JL resolution as my email to Manley was responded to by a female member of his exec team. This was the same female I spoke with on the phone several times and the same who I sent all the relevant paperwork and 3rd party inspections to. She was also the person the weld reports and photos were sent to by the body shop(s)... I seriously doubt you actually work for FCA... If you do then you need to find a way to treat customers with respect and in a better manner that you have done here in the past...

My .02 moving back on now...
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This place is brutal.... chews members up and spits em' out!
Actually, this forum is civil and mature compared to others I'm on. I swear I think those other forums are run by millennials because if you say anything at all that they don't agree with, they jump you like a pack of wild dogs.
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Actually, this forum is civil and mature compared to others I'm on. I swear I think those other forums are run by millennials because if you say anything at all that they don't agree with, they jump you like a pack of wild dogs.
Agreed. Post was tongue in cheek given the thread .... Social media in general is the worst thing to happen to our society since port-a-potty's
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What you're seeing is not rust. It is copper deposits from the contact tip. Some years back Tower changed the MIG equipment from chrome zirconium tips to copper to save money. If you think it looks bad now, you should see it before e-coat.
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Spare me the BS response...

Your previous comments directed at me were rude, obtuse and out of line... My Jeep had issues, serious issues, and I shared them in a thread that was relevant and appropriate. You decided to bash, ridicule and attack me, call me a new clueless Jeep owner ect. When called on it, you then decided to double and triple down on the nonsense and crude remarks....

Here is a link to the recap of your comments:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f1082/...l#post33968331

Had you came back and apologized for your behavior and comments I would have accepted it but you didn't... I doubt you had anything to do with my JL resolution as my email to Manley was responded to by a female member of his exec team. This was the same female I spoke with on the phone several times and the same who I sent all the relevant paperwork and 3rd party inspections to. She was also the person the weld reports and photos were sent to by the body shop(s)... I seriously doubt you actually work for FCA... If you do then you need to find a way to treat customers with respect and in a better manner that you have done here in the past...

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No anger at all.. There is a difference between it and calling out a BS response.. Want to see anger? Read his other responses to those with issues..
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