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Old 02-11-2018, 11:41 PM
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Test Drove a Rubicon and LOVED it.

I'm happy to report that I'm totally digging the JL and any doubts I had are gone. I will definitely be getting one relatively soon. I'm planning on holding out until fall with my JK. One very odd thing the sales person pointed out though. This particular Rubi had one standard fender flare (left rear) and the rest were the Rubicon style. He also told me they delivered another vehicle that had a mismatched spare tire.

I guess they're pushing these out faster than QC can check them. Anyone else see this happening?

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Pretty much status quo for Jeep....

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Confidence inspiring.

I remember seeing a van that had the lettering on the door spelling "CRHYSLER"

Same old (lack of) QC.
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any doubts I had are gone.
one standard fender flare (left rear) and the rest were the Rubicon style.
another vehicle that had a mismatched spare tire.
The main reason you will be paying so much more , is JL engine is from Mexico , rather than the U.S.A.

FCA says Jeep engines from Mexico are far more expensive and superior .

Yep , "any doubts are gone" , along with your bank account , which will overpay thousands of dollars just to get a so-valuable Mexico engine .

Willys and Ford made the WWII Jeep engines in the U.S.A. , not Mexico .
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The main reason you will be paying so much more , is JL engine is from Mexico , rather than the U.S.A.

FCA says Jeep engines from Mexico are far more expensive and superior .

Yep , "any doubts are gone" , along with your bank account , which will overpay thousands of dollars just to get a so-valuable Mexico engine .

Willys and Ford made the WWII Jeep engines in the U.S.A. , not Mexico .
Go ahead and draw a line in the sand if that's what works for you. I'll buy USA built where I can, but it won't stop me from getting something I like.

PS. My bank account will be just fine
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The main reason you will be paying so much more , is JL engine is from Mexico , rather than the U.S.A.

FCA says Jeep engines from Mexico are far more expensive and superior .

Yep , "any doubts are gone" , along with your bank account , which will overpay thousands of dollars just to get a so-valuable Mexico engine .

Willys and Ford made the WWII Jeep engines in the U.S.A. , not Mexico .
Need to get your facts straight..

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Need to get your facts straight..

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Let's see : the JL window sticker shows a multi-thousand dollar increase in MSRP ; and only difference was engine place of manufacture in Mexico . (coincidence ? ) So , it costs thousands of dollars more to have engines manufactured in Mexico , with labor paid 1/10 that of UAW in USA ? (HA)

Oh! I forgot the expensive electronics made in China by labor paid 1/50 that of USA . (HA)

Let's see : my drug store sold me some antibiotics with English language packaging ; and the fine print on the back said manufactured in Tamil Nadu , India ; opening the blister container , there was a bad smell . (coincidence ?) So , the drug store apologized profusely and said someone was cutting corners for cost reasons .(HA)

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my guess is the 3.6 made in Mexico did not add anything to the price and probably has helped keep the cost down a bit. I am guessing the increase in msrp is do to all the other upgrades and cost of retooling the plant in the USA. Those retooling costs get passed on.
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Let's see : the JL window sticker shows a multi-thousand dollar increase in MSRP ; and only difference was engine place of manufacture in Mexico . (coincidence ? ) So , it costs thousands of dollars more to have engines manufactured in Mexico , with labor paid 1/10 that of UAW in USA ? (HA)

Oh! I forgot the expensive electronics made in China by labor paid 1/50 that of USA . (HA)

Let's see : my drug store sold me some antibiotics with English language packaging ; and the fine print on the back said manufactured in Tamil Nadu , India ; opening the blister container , there was a bad smell . (coincidence ?) So , the drug store apologized profusely and said someone was cutting corners for cost reasons .(HA)

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I'll look at my window sticker and post it.. I'm pretty sure my 2013 JKUR 3.6L engine was built in Mexico.

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I'll look at my window sticker and post it.. I'm pretty sure my 2013 JKUR 3.6L engine was built in Mexico.

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I have had 4 jk's and all had US built 3.6's. still I doubt that having a Mexican built 3.6 is the reason for the increase in price
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I have had 4 jk's and all had US built 3.6's. still I doubt that having a Mexican built 3.6 is the reason for the increase in price
The US and Canada % of parts is considerably higher on the Jk's vs the JL as well.
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Let's see : the JL window sticker shows a multi-thousand dollar increase in MSRP ; and only difference was engine place of manufacture in Mexico . (coincidence ? ) So , it costs thousands of dollars more to have engines manufactured in Mexico , with labor paid 1/10 that of UAW in USA ? (HA)

Oh! I forgot the expensive electronics made in China by labor paid 1/50 that of USA . (HA)

Let's see : my drug store sold me some antibiotics with English language packaging ; and the fine print on the back said manufactured in Tamil Nadu , India ; opening the blister container , there was a bad smell . (coincidence ?) So , the drug store apologized profusely and said someone was cutting corners for cost reasons .(HA)

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That's pretty screwed up. The jeep was completely redesigned. The effort of thousands of engineers to accomplish the design, testing, re-tooling, prototype builds, on road testing has resulted in a phenomenal vehicle with better off-road creds than the JK. About the only thing that's the same is the damn engine.

And the efforts of all that design and engineering is reflected in the cost. The cost is not just related to where the engine was built.

I'm an old fart, but I'm getting tired of the "It's not an old Jeep and I can't afford it" complaints. No. It's a new Jeep. It's more capable than before. ....and the work to get it there has to be paid for.
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That's pretty screwed up. The jeep was completely redesigned. The effort of thousands of engineers to accomplish the design, testing, re-tooling, prototype builds, on road testing has resulted in a phenomenal vehicle with better off-road creds than the JK. About the only thing that's the same is the damn engine.

And the efforts of all that design and engineering is reflected in the cost. The cost is not just related to where the engine was built.

I'm an old fart, but I'm getting tired of the "It's not an old Jeep and I can't afford it" complaints. No. It's a new Jeep. It's more capable than before. ....and the work to get it there has to be paid for.
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I have had 4 jk's and all had US built 3.6's. still I doubt that having a Mexican built 3.6 is the reason for the increase in price
OK.. mine indicates U.S. built engine as well. The Satillo plant in Mexico was building the majority of 3.6L Pentastars upon release. They couldn't keep up with demand and was experiencing quality issues so they geared up production in Trenton.

Pentastar Engines: Production and Factory

I remember tracking this because I wanted to avoid the Satillo manufacturing problems. I couldn't recall if I dodged that bullet or not.

But I'm perplexed where our friend gets the idea the Mexico plant builds a better 3.6L PUG.. and therefore Jeep is charging consumers an additional $3K for the betterness.

Specs are specs...

Now, if he's confused with Trump's NAFTA renegotiations... to get Mexico to pay for the wall, that's another subject.

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I'll look at my window sticker and post it.. I'm pretty sure my 2013 JKUR 3.6L engine was built in Mexico.

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Hey Bob, I still have my window sticker on my 2013 Build. US/CANADIAN Parts 71% Mexico 16%.

NOTE: PARTS CONTENT DOES NOT INCLUDE FINAL ASSEMBLY, DISTRIBUTION, OR OTHER NON-PARTS COSTS.

FINAL ASSEMBLY POINT TOLEDO OHIO.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: ENGINE: UNITED STATES. TRANSMISSION: UNITED STATES.
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My 2015 had and my 2017 has U.S. engines.

The cost of tearing out the old GC production line and installing a new JL production line that is new from the slab up has to amortized over the anticipated production on the line in addition to all the R&D on the JL itself.

I remember when I went to my dealer right after the 2002 Ram with the new design hit the market. I was in for a service on my 2000 and a salesman asked me if I was anticipating trading. My regular salesman was a short distance away when I commented "No, it doesn't rattle". (No diesel, as the 2002 2500/3500 models were still the old body).

When they come out with a JLU Sahara with bright blue paint and a white top, I might weaken. Right now it seems to be red, white, black and various grays. In the introduction they had a bright yellow Rubicon, but no yellow even in the colors on Jeep.com. A bright yellow could loosen up my wallet a bit.
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I guess I don't understand why everyone is making a fuss about the price. I dropped mine off for service this morning and while i waited for my ride home, I looked at some of the JKU stickers on the lot. There was a Recon out there with a sticker of $49,685. Mine stickered just under 53 and other than the painted top and fenders, and the two top option, I have just about every option. That's less than a 3,500 price difference. No offense to you guys with JKs, I had 2 of them, but I personally think the JL is worth the extra couple bucks.

Remember this...Jeeps (CJs and Wranglers) have some of the highest resale values in the automotive world. To me, that is a big factor as well. I bought my Toyota 4Runner with a sticker of 39 and change 4 years ago. I got 34 when I traded it in because the 4Runner also has a great resale value. So, even though the 4Runner cost was high up front, it cost me $1250 per year. I expect the Jeep to do the same.
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Hey Bob, I still have my window sticker on my 2013 Build. US/CANADIAN Parts 71% Mexico 16%.

NOTE: PARTS CONTENT DOES NOT INCLUDE FINAL ASSEMBLY, DISTRIBUTION, OR OTHER NON-PARTS COSTS.

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Hi Bill, yeah I dug my window sticker out too and says the same as yours...

I'm not sure if any Satillo Mexico 3.6L engines wound up in any early 2012 JKs or not.

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Yep , same with the JK and JL basic 2 door Sport .

In 2016 my current JK was 25k without tax etc , with a smooth humming USA engine . I really need it so lucky that I got my new one when I did .

Now I'd be lucky to get a JL for 30k+ ; ( with a mexico engine ).

Jeep was created , built , and victorious over Germany , manufactured by Yanks and Canadians . USA and Canada are the Jeep manufacturing auto workers . We made all the great machines , including Jeeps and tanks .

Italy created the Vespa , and Mexico created the piñata .

Sorry , but my Jeep will not be a piñata .
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Yep , same with the JK and JL basic 2 door Sport .

In 2016 my current JK was 25k without tax etc , with a smooth humming USA engine . I really need it so lucky that I got my new one when I did .

Now I'd be lucky to get a JL for 30k+ ; ( with a mexico engine ).

Jeep was created , built , and victorious over Germany , manufactured by Yanks and Canadians . USA and Canada are the Jeep manufacturing auto workers . We made all the great machines , including Jeeps and tanks .

Italy created the Vespa , and Mexico created the piñata .

Sorry , but my Jeep will not be a piñata .
I heard Mexican jumping beans will be used as a form of renewable energy for the JL Hybrid. If you wish to be part of the test group, they require you bring your own Beano.

So do you have a floor shift or automatic in your sixteen?

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The main reason you will be paying so much more , is JL engine is from Mexico , rather than the U.S.A.

FCA says Jeep engines from Mexico are far more expensive and superior .

Yep , "any doubts are gone" , along with your bank account , which will overpay thousands of dollars just to get a so-valuable Mexico engine .

Willys and Ford made the WWII Jeep engines in the U.S.A. , not Mexico .
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Cool Agree , I am dum ; so please inform us of cost differences .

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You are correct ; I have a prosthetic brain ; I am completely uninformed .

Because I am so uninformed , why don't you Please inform us of (1) the net cost of manufacturing the engine in USA , and Also (2) the net cost of manufacturing the engine in Mexico . How much More does it cost to manufacture it in the USA , and how much Less does it cost to manufacture it in Mexico ?

The cost differences will tell the whole story , will it not ?
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Just priced it : $ 30,080 , for a 2018 JL 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and mexico engine .

2016 invoice : $ 26,287 , for a 2016 JK 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and USA engine .

Difference = $ 3,793 . increase .

I agree I have too much beano , but my JK is far more calming with a USA engine ; thank you UAW , for the peace of mind . I also use USA gasoline .

Condolences to the UAW that one of their USA "partners" charges $ 3,793 . increase for a non-UAW mexico engine.
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I guess I don't understand why everyone is making a fuss about the price. That's less than a 3,500 price difference. I personally think the JL is worth the extra couple bucks.
The fuss about the price is because (1) not everyone has those bucks , and (2) why is there a multi-thousand price difference upwards , when the engine is made in mexico ?

For a 2018 JL 2-door sport, it's a $ 3,793 . increase upwards , from a 2016 JK 2-door sport .
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You are correct ; I have a prosthetic brain ; I am completely uninformed .

Because I am so uninformed , why don't you Please inform us of (1) the net cost of manufacturing the engine in USA , and Also (2) the net cost of manufacturing the engine in Mexico . How much More does it cost to manufacture it in the USA , and how much Less does it cost to manufacture it in Mexico ?

The cost differences will tell the whole story , will it not ?

Have you tried optioning a JK to include the features of the JL? I did this just for you. It doesn't even take into account the extra value in the 33" tires and better axles, but I wanted to keep it simple for you.
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Just priced it : $ 30,080 , for a 2018 JL 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and mexico engine .

2016 invoice : $ 26,287 , for a 2016 JK 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and USA engine .

Difference = $ 3,793 . increase .

I agree I have too much beano , but my JK is far more calming with a USA engine ; thank you UAW , for the peace of mind . I also use USA gasoline .

Condolences to the UAW that one of their USA "partners" charges $ 3,793 . increase for a non-UAW mexico engine.


The red herring is the engine! I hope you’re just trolling and don’t really believe the nonsense you’re spewing. As with the Rubicon I mentioned below the JL Sport has a ton of more standard options over the JK Sport. Push Botton Start, Side Impact Airbags, Touch Screen Radio, stronger axles, +++! Inform yourself before blaming Mexico!


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The fuss about the price is because (1) not everyone has those bucks , and (2) why is there a multi-thousand price difference upwards , when the engine is made in mexico ?

For a 2018 JL 2-door sport, it's a $ 3,793 . increase upwards , from a 2016 JK 2-door sport .
For those of us who can afford it...easily, it's well worth it.
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Just priced it : $ 30,080 , for a 2018 JL 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and mexico engine .

2016 invoice : $ 26,287 , for a 2016 JK 2 door sport , with hardtop and tow hitch , destination charge , and USA engine .

Difference = $ 3,793 . increase .

I agree I have too much beano , but my JK is far more calming with a USA engine ; thank you UAW , for the peace of mind . I also use USA gasoline .

Condolences to the UAW that one of their USA "partners" charges $ 3,793 . increase for a non-UAW mexico engine.
I see you keep harping on this 3.6L Mexico vs. USA engine issue... and trying to affix the 2018 JL price increase due to engine country of origin. If your assumptions were true, that means almost all of the Chrysler product lines would have the same price increase. The Saltillo engine plant manufactures a shit load of Hemi engines, including the 3.6L Pentastar.

So what makes you think the price increase is coming from an existing engine plant where the volume has increased from last year? Do you know how standard cost model is used in manufacturing?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltillo_Engine_Plant

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You are correct ; I used the fallacy of the red herring to exaggerate . Congratulations on spotting it .

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