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Old 09-24-2015, 11:08 PM
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Sorry if this is a repost but Car and Driver has quite a few shots of a 2017 test mule, the body looks the same on purpose obviously but underneath it's the new one I guess. Here are a few pics but the info is on Car and Driver...

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Yep! Saw this on their Facebook page earlier. Apparently, Jeep may be hiding the new model in plain sight (current body in aluminum and new everything else).
"2017 Jeep Wrangler Spy Photos: We Get a Peek Underneath"

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It's a jk the pic you found is a test vehicle for a new engine hopefully a diesel 😋
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The new wrangler will be 2018 model year, and won't look like that. The windshield won't fold down, per NHTSA

What I hear from my SEMA contacts is that there will be quite the rake to the windshield for aerodynamics, and that Bestop already has a tub so they can design the top. But no pictures

And who knows how much is true
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Test mules typically do not look too similar to the model that they are replacing. The further away from a new model release date, the more the mule will look different. I would not discount the picture just because it doesn't look like what you've read the final design will look like.

In my neck of the woods, I see mules from Honda and Toyota A LOT. Probably once every few months. I've also seen mules from Mercedes in flat black clad with plastic shapes on top of the body to camouflage it, and near finished BMW's with crazy paint or wrap patterns on them so that you could not easily see the bodywork.
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Looking at the pictures in detail. It is a test mule but it is a JK .They are probably testing Diesel engine or 8 speed transmission.Looks like rear control arms are longer to move axle back some. That is not the new redesigned Wrangler.
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Hopefully a Jeep diesel that doesn't cheat, like those Germans.
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That fuel tank hangs WAY to low. Must be some type of test Mule but I doubt a JL mule.
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Diesel is now less likely I think based on VW. It's a shame too.

The environmental impact of the VW thing is WAY overblown. Your lawnmower and leaf blower put out more emissions.
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Diesel is now less likely I think based on VW. It's a shame too. The environmental impact of the VW thing is WAY overblown. Your lawnmower and leaf blower put out more emissions.
this is one of those ways you can twist statistics, sure your leaf blower puts out more emissions while it's running for an hour or so, but I I don't run my leaf blower everyday as I go back and forth to work, to the store, on vacations etc. so there is no way a leaf blower or lawnmower has a greater impact than a car on the environment.
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if the US has low emission vehicles, but the rest of the world doesn't it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Just more political B/S
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I just want to know how the test mule has less rust on it than brand new vehicles fresh off the train being sent to the dealers.
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I'm not a big fan of aluminum, especially after looking down the side of a new F series pick up. I wonder if the recent, and still unfolding scandal VW created with their diesel engines might have Chrysler rethinking putting a diesel in the Wrangler for the US market? This should be very interesting.
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Test mules typically do not look too similar to the model that they are replacing. The further away from a new model release date, the more the mule will look different. I would not discount the picture just because it doesn't look like what you've read the final design will look like.
Good point. If it is a test mule, it could be just a power train or chassis test mule. They aren't up to testing any new bodies quite yet.

I have seen such test mules many times. And sometimes, if the new chassis they are testing has a different length wheel base, you'll see where they had to take a skill saw to the old body's wheel wells to change/move/enlarge the openings to make it fit.

Now saying that, if the old (JK) body fits the new (JL?) chassis this well, the only new piece of info we can gleam, is that the overall size of the Wrangler isn't changing (no shorter wheel base, etc).

Let's face it. If the new 2018 Wrangler is less than 2 years away, we're got to start seeing spy pics.
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I'm not a big fan of aluminum, especially after looking down the side of a new F series pick up.
I have read that Ford is already planning on changing the type of aluminum they are using, as soon as next year.

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I wonder if the recent, and still unfolding scandal VW created with their diesel engines might have Chrysler rethinking putting a diesel in the Wrangler for the US market? This should be very interesting.
Only if FCA was planning on cheating on the emission testing of their diesel too.
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Good point. If it is a test mule, it could be just a power train or chassis test mule. They aren't up to testing any new bodies quite yet.

I have seen such test mules many times. And sometimes, if the new chassis they are testing has a different length wheel base, you'll see where they had to take a skill saw to the old body's wheel wells to change/move/enlarge the openings to make it fit.

Now saying that, if the old (JK) body fits the new (JL?) chassis this well, the only new piece of info we can gleam, is that the overall size of the Wrangler isn't changing (no shorter wheel base, etc).

Let's face it. If the new 2018 Wrangler is less than 2 years away, we're got to start seeing spy pics.
That's exactly what the article said, a JK body on a test chassis.
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Hopefully they put something stronger than a Dana 30/44 combo up front.
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[QUOTE="torqueit;21610010"]Diesel is now less likely I think based on VW. It's a shame too.

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Since FCA already has a successful diesel in the Grand Cherokee, and Jeep has previous experience, I doubt the auto scandal du journey will have any affect on vehicles coming out 2+ years down the road.
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I can tell you that the rear axle is not the axle in a JK...
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if the US has low emission vehicles, but the rest of the world doesn't it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Just more political B/S
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I have read that Ford is already planning on changing the type of aluminum they are using, as soon as next year.



Only if FCA was planning on cheating on the emission testing of their diesel too.
Yes Ford plans on changing the aluminum, which reinforces why I never buy the first or even second year of a new technology, especially when it pertains to a "new" engine, or some major alteration/advancement to an existing engine. EG: Direct Injection of the Pentastar engine, let someone else test it.

As far as diesel goes, even if Chrysler was going to play it on the up and up, and I'm sure they will, especially now. The EPA might really start breaking balls even more when it comes to diesel in a passenger vehicle making it not worth it for them to put in in the Wrangler. They might even can it in the GC, and leave it in the pick ups only. Once again, time will tell.
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Are people that unobservant of their own Jeeps that they can't tell one from another? Who would look at this and think "Yep, that's a redesign?" There is NOTHING differentiating it from a standard issue JK other than the barely noticeable extension in the front.
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That rear axle is not a Dana axle... I know this because of the bolt pattern on the cover. It looks VERY similar to a AAM 9.5. If it happens to be a AAM 9.5 then ill take one pls
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Not sure I'd bet on that.... it doesn't have the shape of a AAM. It looks more Dana than anything.. perhaps a new lightweight.

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Diesel is now less likely I think based on VW. It's a shame too.

The environmental impact of the VW thing is WAY overblown. Your lawnmower and leaf blower put out more emissions.


There certainly may be some consequences of the VW diesel debacle that impact other companies but as long as Chrysler follows regulations it should not be an issue. It may just take longer to certify the engine.


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Are people that unobservant of their own Jeeps that they can't tell one from another? Who would look at this and think "Yep, that's a redesign?" There is NOTHING differentiating it from a standard issue JK other than the barely noticeable extension in the front.

I concur, a lot this is wishful thinking. However, the fact that the extension in the front makes it likely that what they are testing is under the hood. The drivetrain testing takes a lot longer than the body panel assembly we are all interested in.
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if the US has low emission vehicles, but the rest of the world doesn't it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. Just more political B/S
For CO2 emissions, true.

For smog-causing emissions like unburned hydrocarbons, NOx and soot, those have a local/regional effect and what happens elsewhere in the world has no bearing.
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I thought the main "win" for getting a diesel on a Wrangler was torque? I'm not entirely convinced that the VW thing will effect diesel availability. People have been wanting this in Wranglers for a long time and my perception was always that it was for the torque. I still think/hope Wrangler is going to get the diesel, but I think fuel economy was the side benefit, not the main motivator.

I understand that a lot of other people want better mpg and look to diesel in other cars as an answer, but between weight savings (more use of aluminum) and aerodynamics (a more swept back windshield) its clear that Jeep isn't putting ALL their mpg eggs into one basket.

And... if you take CAFE standards (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) into play, the Renegade should help up that number to give more leeway for Wranglers.

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