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Old 06-20-2016, 03:35 PM
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Post New Pics of the 2Dr Spotted under Camo.. gotta scroll through to get 2Dr pics...

AutoGuide has a few pictures of the 2Dr driving around under Wraps (you gott go past about a dozen 4Dr to get to the 2Dr);

2018 Jeep Wrangler Two Door Spotted for the First Time » AutoGuide.com News



Of note, the big Hood Bump which is significantly more prominent than the HR heat-evacuating hood. Looks like a bump to keep in all that TinyTurbo4 stuff. ORrr.... simply Billowing Camoflauge, although even the top edge of the the hood seems about an inch or so higher than the Fender Flares of a current JK with the hood having a rake to it, but again, could be inserts to hid actual shape, side shot looks different than that behind shot which show more angle while the side shot shows more bump...

Also, the LED Strip on the front Fenders which look like ambers facing forward and to the side which would be like the current side markers, but hopefully incorporating the turn signal blinking without requiring a mod.

It has same Bump/Protrusion near the top of the A-pillar on the inside, not sure how that applies to the removable roof options.



PS// Although based on the pics of the 8-speed's interior, these mules all still seems like just a box with which to carry the drivetrain test components, with slight changes like Windscreen angle, but actual significant body change tests are likely still a long ways off, despite the effort to Camo.

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The new body is indeed hiding under the camouflage, however it is a very evolutionary design. You can see the revised front in these pics:



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I think the hood is just billowing camo like you said.

If you look at the 4th interior shot, what is that lever looking thing in the top left of the windshield. Could that be the new rumored slide down windshield design? Also in that same picture, the "roll bar" looks different. It looks less round than the current roll bar. Could this be the new structure?

I wonder if it is possible that this is in fact the new body, but the interior is reused from the JK. It would make sense to me that the interior would be designed after the body is complete.
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I can tell you what the front is going to look like

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Also, does it actually look like the front bumper is sticking out further/at an angle compared to the JK?
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I forgot to add that it looks like they added mesh to the grille slots.
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I forgot to add that it looks like they added mesh to the grille slots.
I, for one, am quite happy about that! I have a mesh insert on mine, but it doesn't look "factory" enough for me. It looks empty without it, IMO.
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Mmmm so excited about the new model.
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Mmmm so excited about the new model.
Completely agree. I can't wait until we see more reveling pictures of them testing
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Just noticed the headlights aren't the normal halogen ones. They look like HID or LED with the split in the middle...
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I forgot to add that it looks like they added mesh to the grille slots.
I, for one, am quite happy about that! I have a mesh insert on mine, but it doesn't look "factory" enough for me. It looks empty without it, IMO.
Yeah I noticed that..., but I like my Pheasent-wire fencing Rustoleum'ed DIY one !! It's allows for WAY more efficient, those thick metal ones get clogged with snow and don't let as much air convect through when idle/crawling.

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Just noticed the headlights aren't the normal halogen ones. They look like HID or LED with the split in the middle...
When the guys from TFL saw a test mule on the road in the Rockies they said it had LEDs, you can see the video in the other Prototype thread, but it's not a clear view of the headlights in action.
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If you look at the 4th interior shot, what is that lever looking thing in the top left of the windshield. Could that be the new rumored slide down windshield design?
I hadn't seen the new windshield design you're referring to.

The Rear Window Tabs seem the same so no Flip-Up window yet; and unfortunately not much of an angle to the rear, which IMO would improve aerodynamics a bit, as previously mentioned.

These are the things that made me wonder about whether it had moved beyond Drivetrain platform, but obviously some components have.

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Also in that same picture, the "roll bar" looks different. It looks less round than the current roll bar. Could this be the new structure?

It would make sense to me that the interior would be designed after the body is complete.
Yeah, to me it look like there is a more robust secure point integrated into the A-Pillars for the roof to connect to; but that's just a thought of what & why.
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I hadn't seen the new windshield design you're referring to.
I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything. I believe it was a patent that I saw on this forum somewhere, so if anybody knows what I am talking about, feel free to chime in.

Basically the windshield can still lay flat on the hood of the Jeep, but instead of folding down, the glass "slides" down. The orientation of the glass on the hood is actually opposite that of a traditional folding windshield, so the side of the windshield that is normally on the outside would face up instead of down towards the hood.

I know saw this somewhere because someone mentioned that this design would make more sense with the curvature of the JK windshield because the windshield would almost conform to the shape of the hood instead of sticking up like a sore thumb.

Did you see the lever-looking thing I was talking about in that picture? I couldn't think of any use for it other than the windshield design I was talking about.
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I'm assuming you meant this picutre?



And to me it looks like a roof connection piece similar to the current lever (although much lower) but updated for more strength/security/safety/simplicity/giggles/etc.
But it could be anything for all I know, including the mounting point for the sun-visor, just throwing darts at the dartboard.


If you meant the black bar-like thing in the image at the top of this thread, then nope, have no idea/guess what it is.
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No this one. Check the top left of the windshield. It looks like a lever or something.
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Oh yeah, that would be the connection where I'm saying it butts into the A-pillar it seems like they join together (likely tongue-n-groove).

But looking at it again, yeah the gap between it and the glass looks very strange, since that's the position I would expect it to be in when the roof is released, and much more flush against the A-pillar if it were locked in place. But there's an obvious break in the line of the A-pillar at that point, so I still think roof related more than windshield related, but could be wrong.

Looking at that picture again, another thing of note is that that s a different steering wheel also. It is similar, but different to the existing with a more pronounced scallop in the center bar, and more noticeable amd smoother joint on the left hand side. It's also less of a flat circle like the 2011+ JK steering wheel, and more of a smoothed pebble look, like a Dodge Challenger/Charger/Durango, and not a GC or Cherokee or or Compass/Patriot or Caravan/Dart/Journey. It's getting close to the Renegade steering wheel, but closet to the Challenge/Durango/Charger one (non SRT) only the gap at the bottom is closer together.

Still looks like the same power locks location... so still gonna unlock it with my knee on long trips.... FUGInninninING ARRGGGGH !!!

But hopefully like the old-school RHB Head Unit , HVAC and Dash Cluster these will be swapped out on the production model. There's no Effin' way the 430N RHB makes it into the JL.

Also, while I know that it's covered by sound insulating foam looking stuff, the centre console armrest looks low if that's the standard seatbelt attach height, because his elbow seems to be heading lower than the current height.

The arm-rest looked like the same old thing in the 8-speed photos that showed it, but this is definitely a different vehicle just from the steering wheel alone, plus foam vs electronics test equipment also.

Trying to figure out what the stuff around the Rear View Mirror is as it runs along the windshield line yet breaks at the rear view.
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Trying to figure out what the stuff around the Rear View Mirror is as it runs along the windshield line yet breaks at the rear view.
Not sure. It looks similar to the trim piece in the JK except that it hangs down a bit in the center, which doesn't make sense to me.

Now that you mention the rearview mirror, it looks like there is power running to it. My 2004 TJ had a powered rearview mirror to display the temperature and compass direction, but the JK displays that info on the instrument cluster. So what would be the purpose of the power? Maybe they are implementing a trail/dash cam like you suggested before? Unless there is some option on the JK that I am unaware about.

I also notice that the key is in a different location than the JK.
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Not sure. It looks similar to the trim piece in the JK except that it hangs down a bit in the center, which doesn't make sense to me.

Now that you mention the rearview mirror, it looks like there is power running to it. My 2004 TJ had a powered rearview mirror to display the temperature and compass direction, but the JK displays that info on the instrument cluster. So what would be the purpose of the power? Maybe they are implementing a trail/dash cam like you suggested before? Unless there is some option on the JK that I am unaware about.

I also notice that the key is in a different location than the JK.
Wires going to the mirror could be for door/interior lights, auto dimming mirror, or whatever Jeeps offers that is similar OnStar. Just some ideas.
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I think the hood is just billowing camo like you said.
I think so too, billowing camo!
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Not sure. It looks similar to the trim piece in the JK except that it hangs down a bit in the center, which doesn't make sense to me.
Well actually they project around the mirror, I have nothing like that either in my JK or JKU.

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Now that you mention the rearview mirror, it looks like there is power running to it. My 2004 TJ had a powered rearview mirror to display the temperature and compass direction, but the JK displays that info on the instrument cluster. So what would be the purpose of the power? Maybe they are implementing a trail/dash cam like you suggested before? Unless there is some option on the JK that I am unaware about.
That's the Auto-dimming mirror they added in 2013. It provides power for the auto-dimming sensor and photo-polarizing mirror, and also for two integrated map lights which are the buttons underneath. Looks pretty much similar to what I currently have.
However yes, as we've discussed previously, I would love to see them leverage that to incorporate a Trail/Dash-Cam with the performance info (GPS location, Speed, Trail/Vehicle - Angle/Orientation , etc to both record your trips off-road and then also for the daily-drivers and their 'near misses with idiots' on-road.
I would prefer all the info would be saved to the SD card either in the mirror or in a Head-unit integration. Putting an info screen into the mirror like some implementations seems like a distraction to me, and is never as useful or as slick as using the 7-8 inch head-unit for the info. Whatever you can display on the mirror I'd rather they put on the Head-unit or EVIC location, similar to what they do now, just both being higher resolution than current. If they add any additional display location, I'd want it to be a HUD type scenario with basic info similar to the Garmin HUD only projected onto the windshield instead of in front of it.

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I also notice that the key is in a different location than the JK.
Yeah, didn't notice that, just saw the fob.

I was hoping/looking for Push button keyless like the other FCA vehicles, but it doesn't look like that. Most people scoff at that feature, but when I have my keys tucked away in my ski jacket or pants or Backpack for security while skiing, I'd rather just shuck them and go, rather than have to rifle through them with the doors open in -20 weather. Sure it's not a big thing, but having had it in previous vehicles, I liked it and want it in my Wrangler too.
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No this one. Check the top left of the windshield. It looks like a lever or something.
Looks more like a Bluetooth mic to me.
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Oh, yuck.

It looks like they are going back to the "oh well, we forgot the directional lights on the grill. We'll just tack them onto the fenders" look of the TJ.
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It looks like they are going back to the "oh well, we forgot the directional lights on the grill. We'll just tack them onto the fenders" look of the TJ.
Yeah, or sorta the YJ Renegade fog-lights look. I think it's to offer more visibility when turning and other vehicles approach at off-angles or for side-by-side lane changes. This will be more of a focus going forward with the whole lane departure stuff, etc.

I also wonder how does that impact fender removal for off-road application? Do you then lose any front indication if you use cut-off/shorty fenders?

I like the concept of more visibility, and would LOVE to see them use the rear tail lights of the SunRider concept, but yeah there are a coupla drawbacks to what appears to be under that camo.
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The Sunrider Concept Tail-lights I was mentioning. Been thinking of adding these.
Yeah they look blingy with that starry filter effect added to it, but I like the idea of amber rear lights (even if it goes against tradition) for visibility and the side leds for the same reason. Having had someone side-swype my sister while she drove my brand new (less than 500miles/800K) Wrangler (that replaced my T-boned one), and have them take out the front fender with their BMW, maybe I'm a little overly sensitive to this visibility from the sides issue perhaps.

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Looks more like a Bluetooth mic to me.
Trying to figure that out got me looking at a few other things. One is appears the trim for the A-Pillar and the door are just screwed on with a screw and a trim washer. Are they covering a new interior with JK panels just to protect against spy photos? So maybe something is covering where the standard mic position will be so they just rehung it? Also I don't see anywhere on the upper A-Pillar for the 2 holes that used to be there for easy removal of the corner trim piece. Which if the windshield doesn't fold anymore you could make that all one solid piece.

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I am happy it is not changing a lot from the current model by the looks of these pictures.
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Look closely between the window switches... there's another switch in between them...maybe a window lock switch? or a power rear window?
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Look closely between the window switches... there's another switch in between them...maybe a window lock switch? or a power rear window?
In my JKU that is exactly where the window lock switch is
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In my JKU that is exactly where the window lock switch is
I guess I haven't spent enough time in a 4-door LOL

Wait... This is a 2-door though... I guess they're adding window lock to the 2-door because my '12 Sahara doesn't have it.

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