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Old 04-01-2016, 03:51 AM
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TopSpeed 2018 Wrangler Rendering

Another take on the 2018 Wrangler at TopSpeed.com. Not sure it is in agreement with all current information, but if the next Wrangler looks like this it isn't all bad.

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WAY too much rake in the front-leading planes (grille, windshield), IMHO.

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I agree. That grill looks bad, and everything else is current JK with the turn signals in the fenders which is also a no-go.
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I thought I read somewhere that the grill is supposed to be vertical?
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Uh, so it end up with a giant sliding moon roof like the Renegade/500?

'Cause those hood components are not removable. I know we've had the SportsBar discussion, but if it's that encapsulated I think that's a big sales killer right out of the gate.

I would like to see them make all the doors similar to the half-door layout for arm-resting, although they're more fun when the roof is off, so again relating to the first item.
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Uh, so it end up with a giant sliding moon roof like the Renegade/500?

'Cause those hood components are not removable. I know we've had the SportsBar discussion, but if it's that encapsulated I think that's a big sales killer right out of the gate.

I would like to see them make all the doors similar to the half-door layout for arm-resting, although they're more fun when the roof is off, so again relating to the first item.
I have to agree on the frame. That was my biggest fear - that makes it a 2 door Cherokee.

I like the half door style too. So maybe someone else can answer this. Why has the Wrangler never had the old style roll up windows that did not have a frame around the window? It would make a JK look a lot better if they didnt have that UGLY hunk of metal at the top of the doors...
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the "convertible" wrangler with real roll up windows and an electric foldin up roof is my hope for a jl. Also would they patent something simple that with four latches I can fold the windshield?
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Looks like a more angled JK with the Euro front bumper that meets the fenders.
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Looks like the turn signals are in the front corner of the fender. This will add another challenge to changing out the fenders especially flat fenders.
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2016 may be the last great Wrangler. It will be interesting to finally see it when it comes out.
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Reminds me a little bit of hardtop Samurai.

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What exactly are they talking about when they say they are removing the Sport Bar?
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What exactly are they talking about when they say they are removing the Sport Bar?
Based on the rendering above and other comments it means no more convertible. Just a regular car with removable windows and love axles
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I guess I'm the only one that likes it lol.
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I guess I'm the only one that likes it lol.
I actually do like it. Just not the fixed roof. I mean if we have been able to build cages that protect NASCAR drivers I am sure keep could do it and keep the sport bar look and convertible. Weight savings is bs it's not like NASCAR cars go out of their way to be hesvy
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Weight savings is bs it's not like NASCAR cars go out of their way to be hesvy
That should actually read "NASCAR (recently) DOES go out of their way to be SAFE, which in turn makes it HEAVY"... or hesvy.

Weight savings is actually a very big deal for MPG, especially going forward if this design is supposed to go past the 2020 timeframe when the next round of restrictions come into effect. It also makes it a little less sluggish and more 'car-like'. The first thing being a good thing, the later, meh!

However, compromising the essence of the Wrangler in order to improve maybe 1-2 MPG is just a step 'too far' for most of us.
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Guys it's a non-US site that clearly took a JK and had some fun in photoshop. Nobody outside of FCA has any idea what the next Wrangler is going to look like so all this concern is a giant waste of time until some legit spy photos turn up.
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I was hoping the 2016 was the last year for the current body style, but I've read several different places the current Jk will be available as a "classic" sold along side the JL for at least a year.
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I was hoping the 2016 was the last year for the current body style, but I've read several different places the current Jk will be available as a "classic" sold along side the JL for at least a year.
2017 will be another JK only year.

Its 2018 where we (might) see the JL, along with the continuing Wrangler Classic (still JK).
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2017 will be another JK only year. Its 2018 where we (might) see the JL, along with the continuing Wrangler Classic (still JK).
Is this confirmed? I keep reading different things and that these next few months are the last before they start making the new ones. So do we definitely have another year before the JK goes away?
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Is this confirmed? I keep reading different things and that these next few months are the last before they start making the new ones. So do we definitely have another year before the JK goes away?
I cant find the post but its been confirmed the JK will continue for 1-2 years after the launch of the JK as the classic.
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I cant find the post but its been confirmed the JK will continue for 1-2 years after the launch of the JK as the classic.
I sure hope that's right. My time frame for a new vehicle without pushing it is next Spring, and I don't want to miss out on the soft top with half door option...
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I dont know if the grill will be that ugly, but this is pretty close to what ive been reading. Im in a similar situation - looking at a year from now most likely - and i wanted to like the jl or at least give it a chance, but if this is the extent to which the top can be removed/opened up, I'm out. 16-17 Wrangler or Wrangler Classic for me. But like everyone is saying, we'll just have to wait and see because nobody really knows.
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I don't see the point of a Wrangler that isn't a convertible. The entire reason I bought mine was for a convertible with 4wd. If I want to lower the windows, and have an electric rear window, I'll just drive my Tundra, which has additional towing capacity and space (and I suppose is half decent offroad).

Why kill something that is a defining characteristic of the Wrangler? I don't think they would, but if they do, it was an idiotic engineering / design decision from a user perspective. Wranglers were never known for great gas mileage, people don't buy them for that, they buy for fun factor.
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Why kill something that is a defining characteristic of the Wrangler? I don't think they would, but if they do, it was an idiotic engineering / design decision from a user perspective. Wranglers were never known for great gas mileage, people don't buy them for that, they buy for fun factor.
I agree, but remember;
First - This is a BS imagining of the rumours combined together into an art project.

Second - this would not just be a design decision, the 'theory' is that regulatory changes are forcing these considerations, so the question is how close to the original can they keep it without completely ruining the formula while still meeting the requirements for things like roll-over and roof crush capabilities, and possibly influencing crash tests for things like side-impact.
Stuff like the windshield angle and such are minor tweaks and wouldn't affect the convertible nature... other than taking the windshield down which is likely less than 5% of owners; the possible major negatives that affect the convertibility are motivated by external forces, not design choices within FCA/Jeep.
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In other words, government over regulation.
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My only issue with that theory, is how do you explain all of the Miatas, Porsches, pick your sports car / exotic that has an open top? Those continue to be released and will be for a very, very long time. They have a simple roll bar that rests behind the seats, barely a few inches above the seat top. Side crash ratings have to blow, because most suburbans would literally ride right over them and the folks inside.

From an engineering perspective, achieving gas mileage doesn't automatically require modifying the body of the vehicle. Yes, it can improve aerodynamics and reduce drag, but if you really want better mileage, look at the engine / mechanics. I'm sure you know all of this, I just don't by this over-regulation crap. I'm aware they love to do it, but there has to be more to this.

Maybe I'm just a grumpy old man at the ripe old age of 29 and I don't want to see change in a vehicle that I'm falling in love with for its simplicity and fun factor.

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I agree, but remember;
First - This is a BS imagining of the rumours combined together into an art project.

Second - this would not just be a design decision, the 'theory' is that regulatory changes are forcing these considerations, so the question is how close to the original can they keep it without completely ruining the formula while still meeting the requirements for things like roll-over and roof crush capabilities, and possibly influencing crash tests for things like side-impact.
Stuff like the windshield angle and such are minor tweaks and wouldn't affect the convertible nature... other than taking the windshield down which is likely less than 5% of owners; the possible major negatives that affect the convertibility are motivated by external forces, not design choices within FCA/Jeep.
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My only issue with that theory, is how do you explain all of the Miatas, Porsches, pick your sports car / exotic that has an open top? Those continue to be released and will be for a very, very long time. They have a simple roll bar that rests behind the seats, barely a few inches above the seat top. Side crash ratings have to blow, because most suburbans would literally ride right over them and the folks inside.
I couldn't help explain it to you, as I dunno. My understanding is that like the update in the early 2000s from roof crush requirements of 1.5 X CurbWeight to 2.5X , there is supposedly another similar update out there somewhat more specific to convertibles. Although I couldn't find reference to it, and who knows it could get delayed until the replacement for the JL comes out. It just keeps getting mentioned by both car/truck mags and forums and then source articles / renderings like this one from TopSpeed. That is the supposed reason for the potential demise of the roll-cage and change to permanent structural components, and that's what's fueling all the speculation.
However, I do unfortunately know the realities of the capabilities of the current Wrangler for Side-impact and roll-over, and I'm actually OK with those capabilities despite what IIHS/NHTSA/EuroNCAP might think/say. Just look at my Avitar, even my old Mustang convertible, or a new one for that matter, or a myriad of other small vehicles wouldn't have fared anywhere near as well against that lifted RAM 2500 which would've rolled right through them, and yet left me with only a scratch, literally!

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From an engineering perspective, achieving gas mileage doesn't automatically require modifying the body of the vehicle. Yes, it can improve aerodynamics and reduce drag, but if you really want better mileage, look at the engine / mechanics. I'm sure you know all of this, I just don't by this over-regulation crap. I'm aware they love to do it, but there has to be more to this.
I agree, to a point, and have always said that the 8-speed (or my hoped for ZF 7-speed auto/manual shared platform) would provide far more return than just a move to the 2.8L CRD etc. but that a combo would be the best of both worlds. However, that being said, you still hit diminishing returns as long as your vehicle is un-aerodynamic, and it requires considerable energy expenditure to keep that brick moving through highway wind-resistance regardless of how many gears you add it the HP that need to be produced to overcome that resistance.
On the acceleration + stop & go commuting aspect, the reduced weight does help get things moving and overcoming inertia without expending more energy again, and as some of the Easter Moab Concept vehicles have shown there were many ways to adjust weight and dynamics. The thing is to find the balance. I think the slightly more angled/raked windshield is a good thing, I think also angling the rear end like a BesTop NX would also provide positive results without major compromise to the concept, as would reducing the weight of the Hood, Doors, and other components by switching to Aluminiuminumnomnomnom or composite materials (I'm fine with a light Fiberglass/CarbonFibre/Composite/etc hood, but not any reduction in weight/strength in the roof).

However, all that being said, if the regulatory requirements aren't forcing your hand, then altering the fundamental convertibility of the Wrangler is one step too far for me too, and I'm a grumbling old man of 4... well 40-something, who has had an ongoing love affair with every generation of the Wrangler (with a D90 fling/dalliance while in University) since they started making them in Canada when I was in High School. So yeah I appreciate the reluctance to the possibility of changing the core things that make a Jeep/Wrangler what it is at heart. I've had 6 of them over my life sofar ( Dad's had 2 also ), and I wouldn't mind having a bunch more before the driverless cars push us out from behind the wheel.
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However, all that being said, if the regulatory requirements aren't forcing your hand, then altering the fundamental convertibility of the Wrangler is one step too far for me too, and I'm a grumbling old man of 4... well 40-something, who has had an ongoing love affair with every generation of the Wrangler (with a D90 fling/dalliance while in University) since they started making them in Canada when I was in High School.
I keep getting back to I think this is laziness on FCAs part and not really understanding their market. As stated above, other vehicles will be ok. I just see too many fluff pieces trying to sell us on its the government making us, the experience is the same, etc.

Here is a new one just from today:
The New Jeep Wrangler's Roof May Do Three Things It's Never Done

The guy is complaining how hard it is to drop the Wrangler top. He also goes on to talk about how great a glass roof would be. I guess he wants to see nature without, you know, actually being in it.

Remember Fiat is the company that thinks this is a convertible:


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