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Old 06-04-2019, 05:15 AM   #151
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Very nice Jeep! When did you order? Would like to understand just how far back I am in queue. They look great!

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Old 06-04-2019, 02:57 PM   #152
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Hi Cassie, if I order this week thru Qudratec / XT / 4WP or Northridge... when will you guys ship?

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Old 06-04-2019, 06:06 PM   #153
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Mine arrived today. Look great.

****BUT****

Major issue with fitting the uppers into the lowers. I think I now know what the delay was with the uppers. They do not align properly front to rear. It seems to be an issue with the inserts. I'm working the problem now. It may be Bestop needs to remake the front or the rear (or both) inserts to allow them more room. I'm trying to figure out if I can work something out. Pictures later.

[This may be a case where ordering version 2.0 is wise.] I will update soon.
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Damn! That looks sharp! I don't know your color, but looks close to mine (Gobi). I'm still on the fence, but hard uppers may push me over.
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Positives include:

1. Lower is really nice door and generally closes well and feels solid. Looks beefy!

2. They are not at all "flappy" like the old soft doors.

3. The twill looks great.

4. They are light and easy to install/move around

5. The hinge pins have a long top and a shorter bottom which makes them easy to line up (Top first and the bottom just aling and drop)

6. The ledge on the top of the door is nice place to rest arm

7. Plastic cover for the mechanical parts is a nice-to-have.

8. Lower doors shipping box was great! (Upper doors box SUCKED - barely stayed together and one of the tabs could have broken as it was hanging out of the box.)

9. The mirror holes/mounting is great. But for those who want to take off the doors often (like me), you'll want to order blanks. (They are pricey (for what they are) and you'll need to paint what you can get with a flat paint.) I mount my mirrors to the A pillar.

The not so good:

1. FITMENT isn't so great. The tops on the front are very hard to get in and DO NOT sit perfect in their inerts. (Bestop needs to get new ones that are slightly more forgiving (larger interior by 1/16 - 1/8 inch).

2. There is a very large gap on the seal on the driver side upper. (No way to adjust at all). Likewise the entire lower drivers side door sticks out a bit on the rearward area of the door. (Something is misaligned - hinge pin, hinge bracket, or perhaps the door is warped.)

3. Passenger side door latch is very sharp where fingers grip. Going to try to smooth that out with emery cloth.

4. Opening pull latches are VERY VERY tight. May loosen up, but the extra wear and tear on the strap and any moving parts can't be good long term. The front passenger side is at least twice as hard to pull as the front driver, so it is a quality control/assembly issue as much as it may be a design issue.

5. Inserts are thin metal. One dent and not only will the paint likely chip, but they will look bad and most especially, there is so little extra room with the swivel latches, there will be no way to reassemble the plate. You'll need a new plate. (They should make that a reinforced piece - even if it needed to be a composite plastic material.

6. swivel clips are plastic. (rather they were metal.) They are also very hard to turn and use constant torque to put pressure against the rubber to hold the panel in place. There is nothing to "rest" the panel on. It is held against the door by these clips. It is likely that over time the screws will need to be tightened to keep it from "falling" lower to finally rest on the two lowest posts. This would result in a gap at the top section of the plate opening. In the short term that would make the swivels so tight you would need to unscrew them before you could spin them. Long term it would likely cause most people to just leave the plates on or off permanently. Why they did not design them to have an inset that kept gravity doing the work of holding the plate "in place" and use the swivel clips to just torque the gasket, I don't know. Having the swivel clips do BOTH is a poor engineering choice (cheaper?). For a product called "CORE DOORS", the core is one of the poorest design elements of the whole system.

7. They smell really bad right now - I don't know what is coating (or is contained in) the rubber - but it's not like anything I've smelled before. Who knows what China is throwing in it. (Likely will get cancer from it).

8. The key sets (nothing special) were oddly shoved inside the frame and not entirely visible or easy to get out. I also only have 3 sets so either one was not included/fell out during packaging, or it's jammed inside somewhere and yet to be found.

Best: The Look
Worst: Quality Assurance is really quite bad.

Recommendation: If you can wait, wait for version 2.0 later this or next year. Bestop really pushed these out too soon. Obviously trying to hit this season.

For folks who don't mind dropping $3000 for a typical jeep mod that requires a lot of tweaking (like many), you'll be happy. For people who expect a factory half door alternative or high quality for $3000, you WILL NOT be happy. (At this point, anyway.)

WARNING: You CAN NOT mount OEM mirrors (or blanks) to the core doors yet. It requires a special Bestop Mirror Mount Kit #5173401 which is not available yet, has no information on when it will or how much it will cost. This is pretty lame of Bestop in my opinion.
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Damn! That looks sharp! I don't know your color, but looks close to mine (Gobi). I'm still on the fence, but hard uppers may push me over.
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Positives include:

1. Lower is really nice door and generally closes well and feels solid. Looks beefy!

2. They are not at all "flappy" like the old soft doors.

3. The twill looks great.

4. They are light and easy to install/move around

5. The hinge pins have a long top and a shorter bottom which makes them easy to line up (Top first and the bottom just aling and drop)

6. The ledge on the top of the door is nice place to rest arm

7. Plastic cover for the mechanical parts is a nice-to-have.

8. Lower doors shipping box was great! (Upper doors box SUCKED - barely stayed together and one of the tabs could have broken as it was hanging out of the box.)

9. The mirror holes/mounting is great. But for those who want to take off the doors often (like me), you'll want to order blanks. (They are pricey (for what they are) and you'll need to paint what you can get with a flat paint.) I mount my mirrors to the A pillar.

The not so good:

1. FITMENT isn't so great. The tops on the front are very hard to get in and DO NOT sit perfect in their inerts. (Bestop needs to get new ones that are slightly more forgiving (larger interior by 1/16 - 1/8 inch).

2. There is a very large gap on the seal on the driver side upper. (No way to adjust at all). Likewise the entire lower drivers side door sticks out a bit on the rearward area of the door. (Something is misaligned - hinge pin, hinge bracket, or perhaps the door is warped.)

3. Passenger side door latch is very sharp where fingers grip. Going to try to smooth that out with emery cloth.

4. Opening pull latches are VERY VERY tight. May loosen up, but the extra wear and tear on the strap and any moving parts can't be good long term.

5. Inserts are thin metal. One dent and not only will the paint likely chip, but they will look bad and most especially, there is so little extra room with the swivel latches, there will be no way to reassemble the plate. You'll need a new plate. (They should make that a reinforced piece - even if it needed to be a composite plastic material.

6. swivel clips are plastic. (rather they were metal.)

7. They smell really bad right now - I don't know what is coating (or is contained in) the rubber - but it's not like anything I've smelled before. Who knows what China is throwing in it. (Likely will get cancer from it).

8. The key sets (nothing special) were oddly shoved inside the frame and not entirely visible or easy to get out. I also only have 3 sets so either one was not included/fell out during packaging, or it's jammed inside somewhere and yet to be found.

Best: The Look
Worst: Quality Assurance is really quite bad.

Recommendation: If you can wait, wait for version 2.0 later this or next year. Bestop really pushed these out too soon. Obviously trying to hit this season.

For folks who don't mind dropping $3000 for a typical jeep mod that requires a lot of tweaking (like many), you'll be happy. For people who expect a factory half door alternative or high quality for $3000, you WILL NOT be happy. (At this point, anyway.)


Thank you for the honest review. I have been waiting to see what people think of them before putting my money down. Version 2.0 for sure. They do look awesome. Hope they get the bugs worked out quickly!
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:50 AM   #159
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I've made some edits to my above review. Honestly, as I work with them more and more, I see many things Bestop has done wrong. For the price, I now feel they are not worth it - not in this state. The topping, was the OEM mirror mount being unmountable right now due to a missing and unavailable part.

If it were not going to be a colossal hassle, I'd just return them and get a refund. As it is, I'll make them work. Jeep Life.
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Not really impressed by the review. I have the OEM mirrors for these doors when they ship. If I don’t cancel. Anyone else seeing all these issues? Shame because they look so cool but for this much money should be absolutely no issues. Come on man.
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I have factory half doors and can take photos of how my uppers set if anyone who has ordered these thinks it will help in figuring out the alignment issue.
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Not really impressed by the review. I have the OEM mirrors for these doors when they ship. If I don’t cancel. Anyone else seeing all these issues? Shame because they look so cool but for this much money should be absolutely no issues. Come on man.
The mirror thing is just silly and beyond frustrating. They should have included a stylish plate that covered the holes. They should have included the mounting part between the frame and the plastic. They didn't do either. So if you have mirrors you want to use, you can't mount them until: A. The part is available, and B. You pay for and order it. They made NO indication you needed a special part or what it would cost prior to ordering. Why? Because people would either not order or bitch about the added cost (In addition to the $3000.) By design you need this part for these doors and ONLY these doors. It should have been ready and it should be INCLUDED. Poor form Bestop.
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Well I can put that $1500 towards something else if that’s the case. I got these mirrors sitting here since March and from what I am hearing I bought these specifically for the core doors according to the directions and they won’t work? I would like bestop to respond to the forum: is this something that is missing from his package?
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:33 AM   #164
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Not sure how these were tested. I offered to test them, considering I've had the element doors with steel enclosures and the strike force zebra doors. It looks like they could have used some more informed testers. Then again, I don't know how much they're goal was getting feedback so they could implement fixes versus just getting them into out there for marketing visibility.

Better luck with v2.0

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Positives include:

1. Lower is really nice door and generally closes well and feels solid. Looks beefy!

2. They are not at all "flappy" like the old soft doors.

3. The twill looks great.

4. They are light and easy to install/move around

5. The hinge pins have a long top and a shorter bottom which makes them easy to line up (Top first and the bottom just aling and drop)

6. The ledge on the top of the door is nice place to rest arm

7. Plastic cover for the mechanical parts is a nice-to-have.

8. Lower doors shipping box was great! (Upper doors box SUCKED - barely stayed together and one of the tabs could have broken as it was hanging out of the box.)

9. The mirror holes/mounting is great. But for those who want to take off the doors often (like me), you'll want to order blanks. (They are pricey (for what they are) and you'll need to paint what you can get with a flat paint.) I mount my mirrors to the A pillar.

The not so good:

1. FITMENT isn't so great. The tops on the front are very hard to get in and DO NOT sit perfect in their inerts. (Bestop needs to get new ones that are slightly more forgiving (larger interior by 1/16 - 1/8 inch).

2. There is a very large gap on the seal on the driver side upper. (No way to adjust at all). Likewise the entire lower drivers side door sticks out a bit on the rearward area of the door. (Something is misaligned - hinge pin, hinge bracket, or perhaps the door is warped.)

3. Passenger side door latch is very sharp where fingers grip. Going to try to smooth that out with emery cloth.

4. Opening pull latches are VERY VERY tight. May loosen up, but the extra wear and tear on the strap and any moving parts can't be good long term. The front passenger side is at least twice as hard to pull as the front driver, so it is a quality control/assembly issue as much as it may be a design issue.

5. Inserts are thin metal. One dent and not only will the paint likely chip, but they will look bad and most especially, there is so little extra room with the swivel latches, there will be no way to reassemble the plate. You'll need a new plate. (They should make that a reinforced piece - even if it needed to be a composite plastic material.

6. swivel clips are plastic. (rather they were metal.) They are also very hard to turn and use constant torque to put pressure against the rubber to hold the panel in place. There is nothing to "rest" the panel on. It is held against the door by these clips. It is likely that over time the screws will need to be tightened to keep it from "falling" lower to finally rest on the two lowest posts. This would result in a gap at the top section of the plate opening. In the short term that would make the swivels so tight you would need to unscrew them before you could spin them. Long term it would likely cause most people to just leave the plates on or off permanently. Why they did not design them to have an inset that kept gravity doing the work of holding the plate "in place" and use the swivel clips to just torque the gasket, I don't know. Having the swivel clips do BOTH is a poor engineering choice (cheaper?). For a product called "CORE DOORS", the core is one of the poorest design elements of the whole system.

7. They smell really bad right now - I don't know what is coating (or is contained in) the rubber - but it's not like anything I've smelled before. Who knows what China is throwing in it. (Likely will get cancer from it).

8. The key sets (nothing special) were oddly shoved inside the frame and not entirely visible or easy to get out. I also only have 3 sets so either one was not included/fell out during packaging, or it's jammed inside somewhere and yet to be found.

Best: The Look
Worst: Quality Assurance is really quite bad.

Recommendation: If you can wait, wait for version 2.0 later this or next year. Bestop really pushed these out too soon. Obviously trying to hit this season.

For folks who don't mind dropping $3000 for a typical jeep mod that requires a lot of tweaking (like many), you'll be happy. For people who expect a factory half door alternative or high quality for $3000, you WILL NOT be happy. (At this point, anyway.)

WARNING: You CAN NOT mount OEM mirrors (or blanks) to the core doors yet. It requires a special Bestop Mirror Mount Kit #5173401 which is not available yet, has no information on when it will or how much it will cost. This is pretty lame of Bestop in my opinion.
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I have factory half doors and can take photos of how my uppers set if anyone who has ordered these thinks it will help in figuring out the alignment issue.
Do they sit the same as the OEM uppers? I ordered a set of the twill uppers for my OEM half doors, and if they don't fit I'll be very.put.out.
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Just talked with bestop over the phone and they are sending out a “mirror cup” to resolve the issue. I specifically asked what to say so that you can resolve your issue and you can contact bestop and they will send it free of charge as they are not charging for this item. Supposedly it’s being added to the door now. I cannot add any reason why this was not in your package and can only wait to see what others mention in the forum.
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Just talked with bestop over the phone and they are sending out a “mirror cup” to resolve the issue. I specifically asked what to say so that you can resolve your issue and you can contact bestop and they will send it free of charge as they are not charging for this item. Supposedly it’s being added to the door now. I cannot add any reason why this was not in your package and can only wait to see what others mention in the forum.
Thanks. I had called them before I saw this (and likely after you called them yourself.) They are sending it (Not next day of course....6 days...). No charge. What is odd, is the instructions specifically show this as an optional part. So clearly they realize that was not the way to go and they are now including it with all doors.
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I've been looking for a solution for taking my doors off more often. They're heavy so there are many times that I would like to take them off that I don't. I want a lighter door that actually works (seals) for bad weather and I thought this was going to be it! Doesn't look like it. Not going to spend $1500 on a pair of doors that don't fit like OEM right out of the box. There's no reason given Bestop's relationship with Jeep that these aren't perfect from day one. Is the problem with design (doubt it) or is it with the lack of quality control during manufacturing (probably)? Doors not sitting right, can't use OEM mirrors, being able to see daylight through where it's suppose to be sealed???

I really wanted these to be the perfect solution. I almost ordered them several times but I'm now glad that I didn't. First impression is that these are more like $750 quality doors instead of what I'd expect from $1500 a pair.

On a side note since Bestop is tracking this thread, any chance of a new JK top that folds down and goes back up as easily as the JL top? Don't want a JL but love that easy function top!

BTW, they do look really good!
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On a side note since Bestop is tracking this thread, any chance of a new JK top that folds down and goes back up as easily as the JL top? Don't want a JL but love that easy function top!

BTW, they do look really good!

they're working on it. They changed the name to the Ultra top.
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Discouraging info about the Twill uppers. Have OEM Half Doors & was really interested in the Twill.

Guess I’ll have to see about getting my OEM Uppers black diamond material swapped to Twill.
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Thanks USMCmike for the helpful review.

I agree with consensus... $3000 there should be NO issues.

Bestop kept saying "OEM fit and finish"...:


I'm also leery about the insert... The weather tight seal is dependent on the tightly fitted small blocks... it doesn't seem durable long term.

But to BT's credit, they are the first to create a trail door not based on tubes and it does look cool. Jeep tried with the Switchback concept and the red 2 door JL but maybe they couldn't figure out how to make it seal up etc...
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Discouraging info about the Twill uppers. Have OEM Half Doors & was really interested in the Twill.

Guess I’ll have to see about getting my OEM Uppers black diamond material swapped to Twill.
I am thinking the tops will fit the OEM half door perfect. My guess is it is more the lowers are a bit off. Though, please take a picture of your OEM tops when closed from the outside. I'm curious how they look compared to these.

Specifically the way the outer rubber seal looks against the frame.
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I am thinking the tops will fit the OEM half door perfect. My guess is it is more the lowers are a bit off. Though, please take a picture of your OEM tops when closed from the outside. I'm curious how they look compared to these.

Specifically the way the outer rubber seal looks against the frame.
Have to take some internal pics when I'm back in the same state as my Jeep.
Here are some from the outside: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxJdYw6JajI/
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Have to take some internal pics when I'm back in the same state as my Jeep.
Here are some from the outside: https://www.instagram.com/p/BxJdYw6JajI/
The tops and the bottoms on these are not nearly as clean and neat. Period.
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I wonder if Cassie at Bestop would let me drive up to their HQ and try some on to see if I want to spend the $$$...
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Here are photos of the factory doors I have, you can see that the uppers do not fit completely flush with the bottoms.


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They are not OEM fit and finish for certain. Also, in that video, it was telling that he didn't actually put the window back on OR close the door with it.

Mine also do not open as easy as the latch he used. You have to tug on that latch to pry it up. Mainly because they are so tightly squeezed in the door frame.

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Thanks USMCmike for the helpful review.

I agree with consensus... $3000 there should be NO issues.

Bestop kept saying "OEM fit and finish"...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dsgn19lWvA&t=47s

I'm also leery about the insert... The weather tight seal is dependent on the tightly fitted small blocks... it doesn't seem durable long term.

But to BT's credit, they are the first to create a trail door not based on tubes and it does look cool. Jeep tried with the Switchback concept and the red 2 door JL but maybe they couldn't figure out how to make it seal up etc...
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Here are photos of the factory doors I have, you can see that the uppers do not fit completely flush with the bottoms.


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https://photos.app.goo.gl/rjiXdhzW2MSWFHQX9
That part looks the same. (Except the one door I have where there is the gap at the top of the seal with a lot of light and air (right where it will rain.) Are yours easy to remove and drop in? Are yours easy to just close the door with without them needing to be pushed in at the top?
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Received and Installed this afternoon. Went on easily. They look great. Uppers are coming on a separate shipment. Should be here soon. New mirrors coming too. I'll take the insert out soon.

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Here are photos of the factory doors I have, you can see that the uppers do not fit completely flush with the bottoms.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/qxBad2AQrg8QcKtJA

https://photos.app.goo.gl/rjiXdhzW2MSWFHQX9
This looks the same as my factory uppers.

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