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Old 06-06-2019, 08:18 AM   #181
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That part looks the same. (Except the one door I have where there is the gap at the top of the seal with a lot of light and air (right where it will rain.) Are yours easy to remove and drop in? Are yours easy to just close the door with without them needing to be pushed in at the top?
As for getting the windows in and out, they slide in easily without any force. closing with the uppers on is a little more difficult, but no different than the full doors are.

Can you take close up photos of how the door outer seem looks? I am wondering if the hinges need to be adjusted?

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As for getting the windows in and out, they slide in easily without any force. closing with the uppers on is a little more difficult, but no different than the full doors are.
These are twice as hard as the regular full doors are. They require a lot of force and sometimes bounce back.

It rained a little last night, THREE of the four leaked sitting in the driveway. It seems to me there is something wrong with the gasket design and/or the outer rubber cowl/flap. It does not wedge into the door. Almost seems like there is just too much rubber Wondering if some of it will soften/loosen up in a couple weeks. I have some pictures, I'll upload them later.

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These are twice as hard as the regular full doors are. They require a lot of force and sometimes bounce back.

It rained a little last night, THREE of the four leaked sitting in the driveway. It seems to me there is something wrong with the gasket design and/or the outer rubber cowl/flap. It does not wedge into the door. Almost seems like there is just too much rubber Wondering if some of it will soften/loosen up in a couple of weeks. I have some pictures, I'll upload them later.
Is it just the driver's door or all of the doors? It looks like in the photo of the driver's door it is not set correctly.
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Is it just the driver's door or all of the doors? It looks like in the photo of the driver's door it is not set correctly.
It was three of the four, driver's side was worse. They were set as perfectly as the design will allow. All the windows are flush with the stem offsets and the hinges are fully inserted. There is no fine-tuning the design. I'm going to explore some added foam tape to the trouble spots.

Two of them also leak from the lower section as water flows down the door frame and slips by the lower gasket. It then fills the inner section of the lower door between the reinforcing brackets and then backflows into the jeep.

In all cases these leak a lot less than the fabric doors, which I suppose is something for $3000.
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It was three of the four, driver's side was worse. They were set as perfectly as the design will allow. All the windows are flush with the stem offsets and the hinges are fully inserted. There is no fine-tuning the design.
You can't adjust the hinges similar to regular doors? That seems odd to me, are they not bolted on like the factory doors?
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It was three of the four, driver's side was worse. They were set as perfectly as the design will allow. All the windows are flush with the stem offsets and the hinges are fully inserted. There is no fine-tuning the design. I'm going to explore some added foam tape to the trouble spots.

Two of them also leak from the lower section as water flows down the door frame and slips by the lower gasket. It then fills the inner section of the lower door between the reinforcing brackets and then backflows into the jeep.

In all cases these leak a lot less than the fabric doors, which I suppose is something for $3000.
should fit better than they are. The hinges should have some adjustability in them. When I got my half doors I had to adjust the striker catch for the door to align correctly and set the hinges accordingly. If you lived close to me I would meet up with you so we could compare the factory and the bestop doors. So if you can find someone with factory half doors you may be able to find a fix.
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Yeah I did the same thing for my soft doors adjusting the striker. They actually work great now. I had to bend one a little otherwise it would open on me driving down the road lol 😂 they are great though. I really want to get the cores on. They don’t need to be super perfect but they def should leak less than my current all twill doors. It’s a Jeep I took out the carpet a long time ago. I can handle a little bit not a lot. The price should mean these are really nice. Bestop soft doors are what I’m running now.
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Yeah I did the same thing for my soft doors adjusting the striker. They actually work great now. I had to bend one a little otherwise it would open on me driving down the road lol 😂 they are great though. I really want to get the cores on. They don’t need to be super perfect but they def should leak less than my current all twill doors. It’s a Jeep I took out the carpet a long time ago. I can handle a little bit not a lot. The price should mean these are really nice. Bestop soft doors are what I’m running now.
These are WAY better than the soft doors. I'm going to keep tweaking them Wish they were perfect, but...Jeep mod....what ever is?
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Wish they were perfect, but...Jeep mod....what ever is?
But why do we have to fall back on, it's a jeep or it's a jeep mod, as if because it's a jeep we have to accept a lack of quality or quality control? These pieces of aluminum are $1500/pair and they should fit perfect. If Bestop wants to charge a premium price then they should deliver a premium product that fits perfect!!!

Personally I hope they fix the quality control problem because I would love to have a set of these. They look fantastic and they're just what I was looking for.
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Threaded door hinge pin?

Is the door hinge pin threaded on these core doors? I have the McGard door hinge security nuts for my factory doors and tube doors.

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Wow. Whatever pic was added it’s taking up the entire screen can’t make out anything lol
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Hey!

The center part is just like the rest of the door and has a seal around it so it doesn't leak.

We will not be making color uppers, just Black Twill.

The window has a zipper in them, we wont be doing sliders but i believe JCR makes a kit to change to a slider.

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But why do we have to fall back on, it's a jeep or it's a jeep mod, as if because it's a jeep we have to accept a lack of quality or quality control? These pieces of aluminum are $1500/pair and they should fit perfect. If Bestop wants to charge a premium price then they should deliver a premium product that fits perfect!!!

Personally I hope they fix the quality control problem because I would love to have a set of these. They look fantastic and they're just what I was looking for.
Every Jeep that has been driven with the doors off has different geometry. The frame will twist and flex. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to make a universal door that fits every JK ever built. If they laser measured your Jeep and made custom doors for it, they would fit perfect. It would cost a lot more than $1500/pair though.
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Every Jeep that has been driven with the doors off has different geometry. The frame will twist and flex. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to make a universal door that fits every JK ever built. If they laser measured your Jeep and made custom doors for it, they would fit perfect. It would cost a lot more than $1500/pair though.
Exactly my thought. These are going to HAVE to be adjusted to fit your vehicle. When I bought my OEM half doors used off Craigslist, they didn't line up at all with my Jeep. Had to loosen the door side hinges and latch to get them in to alignment and now they fit perfectly.

What I'm wondering (and can't tell from pictures) is whether these are out due to poor alignment or if it's quality control. If the uppers don't fit right into the lowers, it's probably not the user's fault.
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It is a combination of both I think. Regardless of the alignment of the lowers, the upper gasket design is "bunchy" when compared to the factory uppers. I am wondering if they just need to broken in (softened) or if there is just "too much gasket". Time will tell.

With the uppers off all the lowers open and close perfect (except one part of the driver side which does seemed to bow outwards compared to the others - adjustment in that axis either).

When the uppers go on they don't close well at all. Instead of just "closing" into the door-well in a satisfying manner, they bounce back out if you don't shove them hard at the same time you are closing the door or slam the door hard. It is not "OEM Fit and Finish" - not by a long stretch. No amount of adjustment of the hinge bracket is going to correct the seal issue itself.

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Exactly my thought. These are going to HAVE to be adjusted to fit your vehicle. When I bought my OEM half doors used off Craigslist, they didn't line up at all with my Jeep. Had to loosen the door side hinges and latch to get them in to alignment and now they fit perfectly.

What I'm wondering (and can't tell from pictures) is whether these are out due to poor alignment or if it's quality control. If the uppers don't fit right into the lowers, it's probably not the user's fault.
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What I'm wondering (and can't tell from pictures) is whether these are out due to poor alignment or if it's quality control. If the uppers don't fit right into the lowers, it's probably not the user's fault.
I think what happened is they didn't change one thing about the upper frame (they already have it for Jeep) and they didn't do a great job making their own design for the lower. It's close...but not enough. If that lower door is 1/16 of an inch off in any of several dimensions, it'll cause problems.

OR

It is a QC issue with the china plant on the uppers where they are SUPPOSED to be exactly the same and they are not. (This also makes some sense as the uppers were delayed for quite a while.)
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Every Jeep that has been driven with the doors off has different geometry. The frame will twist and flex. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to make a universal door that fits every JK ever built. If they laser measured your Jeep and made custom doors for it, they would fit perfect. It would cost a lot more than $1500/pair though.
I understand your point, that's simply a gross overstatement. If that were the case 99% of Jeep OEM half doors would not fit, when if fact, 99% do. The exception is exceptional. Likewise, when putting doors back on there would be major issues with fit and adjustment and leaks with full doors. Again, almost everyone has no more or nor less issue with fit when doors come on or off, over years even.

Any twist and flex is mitigated by a return to normal state and/or the permanent change is measured in 64ths or 32nds of an inch. The problems with the Core Door (uppers?) is far beyond that threshold.

Finally, nothing Bestop includes in its marketing or instructions suggested a poor fit nor indicates a need or method of adjustment. Just like the OEM doors. When Bestop says "OEM Fit and Finish" it means - basically - Perfect fit. With the uppers on, these are far from it. I would classify them more as "Barely Fit" and "Barely Leak". "Good Enough".
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I think what happened is they didn't change one thing about the upper frame (they already have it for Jeep) and they didn't do a great job making their own design for the lower. It's close...but not enough. If that lower door is 1/16 of an inch off in any of several dimensions, it'll cause problems.

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It is a QC issue with the china plant on the uppers where they are SUPPOSED to be exactly the same and they are not. (This also makes some sense as the uppers were delayed for quite a while.)
Well, OEM halves have little "sleeve" inserts in the lowers that allow for some movement front to back. The "pins" on the uppers don't have to be perfect. Do the Bestop lowers have something similar?

I'll have my uppers tonight. I'll let you know how they fit on the factory halves.
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Again, almost everyone has no more or nor less issue with fit when doors come on or off, over years even.
Right, but those of us with two sets of OEM doors have had to adjust the doorside hinges in order to get both sets to line up properly. They don't come from the factory with the hinges in perfect alignment. If the lowers are indeed "factory fit" then the hinges on the door will need adjustment.

Again, I can't tell from the pictures where you are struggling with the door fit. In one picture it looks like the driver's door is either misaligned or actually warped. If it's warped, there is nothing any adjustment is going to do to help align the door with the body.
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Every Jeep that has been driven with the doors off has different geometry. The frame will twist and flex. It would be impossible for a manufacturer to make a universal door that fits every JK ever built. If they laser measured your Jeep and made custom doors for it, they would fit perfect. It would cost a lot more than $1500/pair though.
Then why do my factory doors still fit perfect? Sorry but I don't buy that explanation, or should I say, excuse. Of coarse it's this kind of thinking that lets 3rd party suppliers get away with charging premium prices for products that come up short.

These doors are fantastic and although I think the price is on the high side for them I'd pay it if they were perfect. Charging OEM type pricing requires OEM type fit. Bestop isn't a newcomer, they should be putting out a better product then this.

BTW, if your explanation is true, which I don't think so, then that makes this an even bigger screwup that's on Bestop's design team rather than the manufacturer. If our jeeps become deformed over time as you're claiming then these doors should have come with the ability to adjust them. I think it's a quality control issue at the factory. I think Bestop knows what they're doing and the chinese factory is making them look bad.

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Well, OEM halves have little "sleeve" inserts in the lowers that allow for some movement front to back. The "pins" on the uppers don't have to be perfect. Do the Bestop lowers have something similar?

I'll have my uppers tonight. I'll let you know how they fit on the factory halves.
They have the sleeves as well. They fit perfectly tight in the lowers. They don't move once they are inserted.

I just went out and looked long and hard at the adjustments that could be made. There is nothing to adjust that would fix the fit issues. In fact they are perfectly level. It is sum of the parts that cause multiple issues. I also noticed that on both front doors the aluminum edges are the doors have scraped off paint from the inside of the frame. On the passenger side, it is from the door closing to hard/deeply in - before it springs back into place, and on the driver side, it is not only that, but a slight misalignment exasperates that. Not a big deal, but touch up pain will be needed between seasons to prevent rust.
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A solid internal panel that covers everything would also be very nice. All of those exposed casting bars in the lower parts are the door under and around the removable panel are going to completely SUCK to clean when they get full of dust. I thought about this/realized this after coming back from a trip to calico two weeks ago and seeing just how crazy dusty my complete interior was. I cleaned my black turned tan door panels with a wet rag, however the bestops in its current state will be a complete PITA to clean. Something to consider.
You are so right. Within one week, they were already full of stuff. Likewise when they get wet, (on the inside - small leaks - or drips when opening in the rain) water pools on the inside of those ledges. Ironically the gasket that is meant to keep out elements from the outside keeps it IN on the inside by forming a ledge between the casting bar pockets and the edge. People that don't like that lame design of the Jeep top water channel dripping into the Jeep when you open the door are not going to like this element of these doors.
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Then why do my factory doors still fit perfect? Sorry but I don't buy that explanation, or should I say, excuse. Of coarse it's this kind of thinking that lets 3rd party suppliers get away with charging premium prices for products that come up short.

These doors are fantastic and although I think the price is on the high side for them I'd pay it if they were perfect. Charging OEM type pricing requires OEM type fit. Bestop isn't a newcomer, they should be putting out a better product then this.

BTW, if your explanation is true, which I don't think so, then that makes this an even bigger screwup that's on Bestop's design team rather than the manufacturer. If our jeeps become deformed over time as you're claiming then these doors should have come with the ability to adjust them. I think it's a quality control issue at the factory. I think Bestop knows what they're doing and the chinese factory is making them look bad.

When the problem gets fixed I'm getting a set!!!
How do you know your factory doors still fit "perfect"? There is a reason the weather stripping is so thick on the Jeep doors and a reason they take so much effort to close. The solid metal door with integral uppers will be rigid enough to compensate for any variation in geometry.

If you guys think that 99% of all factory half doors are leak proof, then I'm not sure what to tell you. These are the first sets of these doors to be delivered. If the manufacturer spent another 2 years testing and refining them you would be complaining that they were taking too long.
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You are so right. Within one week, they were already full of stuff. Likewise when they get wet, (on the inside - small leaks - or drips when opening in the rain) water pools on the inside of those ledges. Ironically the gasket that is meant to keep out elements from the outside keeps it IN on the inside by forming a ledge between the casting bar pockets and the edge. People that don't like that lame design of the Jeep top water channel dripping into the Jeep when you open the door are not going to like this element of these doors.
Yeah I knew that was going to be an issue after looking at them over and over and analyzing everything. That sucks its even worse than I imagined. looks like I made the right decision when I canceled my p.o.
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USMCmike, if you want I can do some measurements on my factory half doors and uppers to compare with the core doors to see if there is a measurement difference.
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How do you know your factory doors still fit "perfect"? There is a reason the weather stripping is so thick on the Jeep doors and a reason they take so much effort to close. The solid metal door with integral uppers will be rigid enough to compensate for any variation in geometry.

If you guys think that 99% of all factory half doors are leak proof, then I'm not sure what to tell you. These are the first sets of these doors to be delivered. If the manufacturer spent another 2 years testing and refining them you would be complaining that they were taking too long.
Hey bud, we're all Jeepers here...and we're the CUSTOMER. I actually PAID for the doors so I can tell you what I'm seeing. Further I offered to test them and they said they would not send some to test - free or at a discount. Additionally, I informed them that I was willing to pay full price to get them, but I would be brutally honest with the results.

I'm not really sure why you're white-knighting Bestop. This is honest feedback. When you actually have them and actually spend money on them yourself then you can offer an opinion on the validity of actual feedback.

(I have had factory lowers and uppers on a past Jeep and I've been in several others - these doors do not "feel the same" or work the same. - They ARE NOT "OEM fit and finish" like Bestop claimed. And there are several other issues beyond just this fit thing with them.)
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In one picture it looks like the driver's door is either misaligned or actually warped. If it's warped, there is nothing any adjustment is going to do to help align the door with the body.
It seems warped. It's warped on the vertices of the door from top to bottom. Is short it sticks out further on the bottom than the top. The hinge adjustments won't fix that. The latch can't be adjusted to bring it in more as it would also bring the top in more and the top already is scratching the factor paint at the top.

The other side is not so bad - almost perfect (and it seals better as well.) The rear doors to not seem to have the warped profile at all.

What is very telling is it seems Bestop knew about this, because when I looked for this picture, I noticed they placed a cheap piece of weather stripping (crooked and oddly placed) on the door. Presumably to either hide the light gap or keep water from splashing. Looking when the door is closed, it doesn't have any other purpose and clearly was not meant to be there by design originally. It's a hack.





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Hey bud, we're all Jeepers here...and we're the CUSTOMER. I actually PAID for the doors so I can tell you what I'm seeing. Further I offered to test them and they said they would not send some to test - free or at a discount. Additionally, I informed them that I was willing to pay full price to get them, but I would be brutally honest with the results.

I'm not really sure why you're white-knighting Bestop. This is honest feedback. When you actually have them and actually spend money on them yourself then you can offer an opinion on the validity of actual feedback.

(I have had factory lowers and uppers on a past Jeep and I've been in several others - these doors do not "feel the same" or work the same. - They ARE NOT "OEM fit and finish" like Bestop claimed. And there are several other issues beyond just this fit thing with them.)

My bad Bud, didn't realize this thread was for current core door owners only. I guess we are only Jeepers when we have the same opinion.
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It seems warped. It's warped on the vertices of the door from top to bottom. Is short it sticks out further on the bottom than the top. The hinge adjustments won't fix that. The latch can't be adjusted to bring it in more as it would also bring the top in more and the top already is scratching the factor paint at the top.

The other side is not so bad - almost perfect (and it seals better as well.) The rear doors to not seem to have the warped profile at all.
Looks warped to me. I can see that it's nearly perfectly aligned at the hinges, which means you'd need to do as you said and move the latch out.

Wow. Seems like they owe you at least a new driver's door.

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