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Old 08-26-2017, 06:13 AM
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Owners do not know if their jeep is a JK, TJ, YJ etc.

Recently I have met and initiated conversation with several owners of Jeeps. I have been amazed that so many owners do not know what series jeep they have. Last night I was talking with my son's friend who has a Jeep Wrangler. I asked which one and he said it's a 2007. I replied "Cool one of the first JK's". Instant deer in headlights blank stare. Dare I ask if it was an unlimited? Of course, he asked the same if me I thought to myself if he doesn't know what a JK is what are the odds he would know what I was talking about when I told him I have an LJ. I simply explained what my LJ was.


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where do I find definitions?

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I for one, never really knew beyond the CJ 3-7's models that there others, until I purchased my JK (I know there is a letter that tells all I'm a 2dr, but can't remember it right at the moment : ) ), but until I started JEEPing (Just Emptying Every Pocket) on an already upgraded Rubicon, I was in the dark. But to order the right stuff, you need to know, and now I'm learning, They do say you CAN TEACH old dogs new tricks, Don't they" HAPPY JEEPING!
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When I got my first Jeep I was just happy having a Jeep. I loved having the top down while I stuck to the roads. I didn't care to know the difference. That Jeep was y daily driver. I the only modification I made was to upgrade the radio and speakers. Now fast forward to my current Jeep. I learned quickly and researched the various models. I want to hit the trails. Not only d I want to go off-road, I want to take my family. I found a basic 2016 JKU satisfies my needs. So Yeah. Now I know and understand the differences because I need to know.
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where do I find definitions?
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CJ

The first Civilian Jeep put into production by Willys, marketed as the "Universal Jeep". 212,402 units were produced. A refined CJ-2A, the CJ-3A featured a redesigned one-piece windshield with air vents below the glass. 131,843 units were produced. Derived from it was the first post-war military jeep: the M38. Essentially a CJ-3A fitted with a taller hood (the CJ-3B is also known as the "high-hood" Jeep) to accommodate the Willys Hurricane engine. 155,494 were built over its 15 year lifespan. Most later ones were M606 military jeeps shipped to South America. Introduced in late 1954 as a 1955 model, the CJ-5 was a civilian version of the M38A1 military Jeep used in the Korean War. The most noticeable addition was the new rounded hood, designed specifically to accommodate the Hurricane engine. 603,303 were built over nearly 30 years, making it the longest-lived and most popular "Universal". The Tuxedo Park had been an option package on the CJ-5 from 1961 to 1963, and by 1964 it was given its own model designation code. It featured more standard equipment (from 1965 onward standard equipment included the Dauntless V6 engine and bucket seats), but the Tuxedo Park never garnered a large customer base due to the higher base price. Only 7,394 DJ-5As were produced. Mechanically, the CJ-6 was nothing more than a CJ-5 with a 20 in. longer wheelbase. This addressed the most common customer complaint: lack of rear seat room. Despite ceding to consumer demand sales were modest, with only 50,172 units manufactured over 20 years. Similar to the CJ-5A, the CJ-6A was a "Tuxedo Park" version of the CJ-6. Like the CJ-5A it was not popular, with only 459 units produced, making it the rarest CJ. The CJ-7 was introduced in 1976 as a longer alternative to the CJ-5, as a compromise between the CJ-5 and CJ-6's wheelbase length. 379,299 were built. This was the first model to lack the "Universal Jeep" designation. Once again consumers complained of too little room in the CJ-7. Like the CJ-6 before it, the Scrambler was an extended version of a smaller CJ, in this case the more modern CJ-7. The Jeep CJ-10 was a CJ-bodied pickup truck based on a heavily modified Jeep J10 pickup truck. Produced from 1981 to 1985, it was sold and designed for export markets; Australia in particular. The Jeep CJ-10A was a CJ-10-based flightline aircraft tug. Produced in Mexico from 1984 to 1986. Willys Wagon and Willys Pickup

The Willys Wagon (1946–1965) and Willys Pickup (1947–1965) were full-size trucks featuring a wagon and pickup bodystyle respectively.
VJ

  • Willys Jeepster (1948–1950)
The Willys Jeepster was a roadster designed to appeal to consumers who would not otherwise purchase a utilitarian CJ. Most of its parts were shared with the Jeep Wagon and Jeep Pickup. Unfortunately it proved to be unpopular, with its production life cut to only three years. DJ

  • DJ-3A (1955–1964)
The first of the Dispatcher Jeeps, the DJ-3A was essentially a two wheel drive version of the CJ-3A, designed for lighter-duty work not requiring four wheel drive.
  • DJ-5 "Dispatcher 100" (1965–1967)
Like the DJ-3A, the DJ-5 was a two wheel drive version of the CJ-5.
  • DJ-5A (1968–1970)
The DJ-5A was an offshoot of the DJ-5 featuring a specialized hardtop body and right hand drive steering, designed for use as a mail truck. It was also powered by a 153 inณ Chevrolet four-cylinder engine.
  • DJ-5B (1970–1972)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5A, the DJ-5B was differentiated by its powertrain: a 232 inณ AMC six-cylinder engine.
  • DJ-5C (1973–1974)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5B.
  • DJ-5D (1975–1976)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5B.
  • DJ-5E "Electruck" (1976)
A special electric version of the Dispatcher featuring an electric motor and battery pack in place of the original internal combustion engine.
  • DJ-5F (1977–1978)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5B. The DJ-5F was also available with the AMC 258 engine.
  • DJ-5G (1979)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5B. The DJ-5G was powered by a 2.0 L Volkswagen/Audi four-cylinder engine.
  • DJ-5L (1982)
Nearly identical to the DJ-5B. The DJ-5L was powered by the Pontiac 2.5 L "Iron Duke" engine. FC

  • FC-150 (1956–1965)
The Forward Control trucks were essentially CJ-5s with a pickup bed and a flat-faced cab mounted on top of the engine. The FC-150 was mechanically nearly identical to the CJ-5.
  • FC-170 (1957–1965)
The FC-150 was joined by a longer FC-170 model, equipped with the Willys Super Hurricane engine. FJ

The FJ (1961–1965) was a DJ-3A fitted with a van body with a redesigned steering and seating arrangement similar to the Forward Control trucks. The Fleetvan Jeeps were designed specifically for moving cargo. The FJ-3 (easily distinguishable by horizontal grille slots) was offered specifically as a postal truck, while a longer FJ-3A was offered for other fleet purposes.
SJ

  • Wagoneer (1963–1983)
The Wagoneer was designed to replace the Jeep Wagon, which had been produced relatively unchanged since 1946. It was leaps and bounds more sophisticated than its predecessor and competitors, offering modern amenities and car-like attributes such as an independent front suspension and a SOHC engine.
  • J-series (1963–1988)
The Wagoneer's SJ chassis was also designed for a pickup truck bed, replacing the Willys Jeep Pickup. Originally named Gladiator, the truck underwent several name changes. Originally the Gladiator models were distinguished by a three-digit model code signifying wheelbase and gross vehicle weight rating. For 1965 the model codes were changed to four digits. The Gladiator name was dropped for 1972. In 1974, the model codes were changed for the final time to a two-digit code signifying GVWR. The sporty Honcho package was a popular option on half-ton J-10s.
  • Super Wagoneer (1966–1969)
The Super Wagoneer was a special luxury version of the Wagoneer, featuring amenities such as air conditioning, an automatic transmission and a V8 engine as standard equipment. All of this was years prior to the existence of the Range Rover, considered by many to be the "original luxury SUV".
  • Cherokee (1974–1983)
The Cherokee was added to the Jeep lineup as a sporty two-door model in 1974. A four-door body was later added in 1977.
  • Grand Wagoneer (1984–1991)
The Wagoneer and Cherokee were replaced for 1984 by the smaller XJ Cherokee and Wagoneer. The SJ continued on as the Grand Wagoneer, the most opulent Jeep in the range. C101

  • Jeepster Commando (1966–1971)
The Jeepster Commando was introduced in 1966 to appeal to consumers seeking a less utilitarian vehicle than the CJ. Based heavily upon the CJ-5, the Jeepster Commando was available in many bodystyles, including a convertible and pickup. C104

  • Commando (1972–1973)
The C101 Jeepster Commando was redesigned in 1972 by AMC in order to accommodate AMC engines under its hood. The result was the new C104 Commando (Jeepster having been dropped from the name). The new front fascia, reminiscent of the Ford Bronco, was very unpopular, and Commando was dropped after its second year. XJ

  • Cherokee (1984–2001)
The most ambitious Jeep ever undertaken, the XJ (said to mean eXperimental Jeep, although the veracity of this is not well substantiated) was revolutionary in design: it was the first SUV to use a bespoke unibody chassis for more car-like performance and design attributes. The "UniFrame" chassis made the XJ light and maneuverable, while the QuadraLink front suspension gave it excellent off-road ability. The XJ Cherokee increased Jeep sales to levels never seen before, and proved to be the single most popular Jeep of all time, with over 2.8 million units sold.
  • Wagoneer Limited (1984–1990)
The Wagoneer was offered alongside the Cherokee as a more luxurious model. Exterior changes were the only discernible differences, with a different grille and optional (plastic) wood panelling. Not to be confused with Grand Wagoneer SJ model. MJ

  • Comanche (1986–1992)
The Comanche was offered as a pickup version of the Cherokee. It is unique in that it is one of few unibody pickup trucks ever produced. YJ

  • Wrangler (1987–1995) (No Wrangler produced in 1996 as they revamped the design for the new TJ's in 1997)
The Wrangler, distinguished by its square headlamps, replaced the long-lived CJ. This model carried wider track axles and a stronger frame. It had more creature comforts and later on, had the benefit of the more efficient, fuel injected engines. The last model year of the YJ included galvanized bodies and larger U-joints. ZJ

  • Grand Cherokee (1993–1998)
Originally designed as the XJ's replacement, the ZJ was instead moved upmarket as the Grand Cherokee.
  • Grand Wagoneer (1993)
A top-of-the-line Grand Cherokee featuring more standard equipment, such as a 5.2L Magnum V8. It was dropped after one year. TJ

  • Wrangler (1997–2006)
The YJ's replacement, the TJ, has been the most bold evolution of the "Universal" yet, with coil springs at all four wheels (it also returned to the circular headlights of the CJ). Halfway through the 2004 model year a long-wheelbase version of the TJ was released as the Wrangler Unlimited. The Wrangler Unlimited is unofficially referred to as the LJ to differentiate between the standard- and long-wheelbase models. WJ

  • Grand Cherokee (1999–2004)
An evolution of the ZJ. Its 4.7 L Powertech V8 signalled a return to SOHC engines: it was the first in a new Jeep since the Kaiser Tornado engine was dropped from the lineup in 1965. KJ

  • Liberty/ (2002-2007)
The first new Jeep to feature an independent suspension since the 1963 Wagoneer, the Liberty (as it is known in North America; it goes by the name Cherokee in all other markets) replaced the XJ Cherokee in 2002. The Liberty comes with a 3.7 liter V6 engine, but was also available in the US in 2005-2006 with a 2.8L 4cylinder common rail diesel (CRD) engine. WK

  • Grand Cherokee (2005-2010)
Using the WJ and KJ as a springboard, the most recent WK Grand Cherokee has a greater blend of car-like ride and handling with traditional offroad capability. Grand Cherokee has been completely redone for 2011. XK

  • Commander (2006–2010)
With an exterior design reminiscent of the XJ, the Commander was the first seven-passenger Jeep, pushing the brand into market waters never before trodden. The Commander was discontinued due to the fact that the 2011 Dodge Durango is going to be Chrysler's 7 passenger SUV offering. It is rumored that the Commander may still be built overseas for certain markets. JK

  • Wrangler (2007–present)
The new JK Wrangler includes a 3-piece hardtop roof. 2007-2011 used Chrysler's 3.8 L V6 engine. For 2012+, the Wrangler uses Chrysler's 3.6L Pentastar V6. JKU

  • 4 Door Wrangler (2007-present)
Unofficial designation of the 4 door body style JK Wrangler. MK

  • Compass/Patriot (2007-present)
The product of a Chrysler to bring 4x4 and fuel economy into the crossover market. For more information refer to Jeep Patriot .com <www.jeeppatriot.com> KK

  • Liberty (2008-2012)
3.7 liters V6 210hp, some engines can run on E-85 fuel. Replaced the KJ. WK2

  • Grand Cherokee (2011-present)
3.6 liters V6, replaced the WK. KL

  • Cherokee (2014-present)
The new KL is the return of the Cherokee designation in a compact-wide body featuring a distinctive new front end and sporting a 2.4L Tigershark Inline 4-cylinder engine or a 3.2L Pentastar V-6 mated with a 9-speed 948TE automatic transmission. The trailrated edition of the KL is referred to as the Cherokee Trailhawk. BU

  • Renegade (2015-present)
The BU is Jeeps new 4x4 capable compact SUV based on the Fiat small-wide platform. Sporting a 2.4L Tigershark Inline 4-cylinder engine mated with a 9-speed automatic transmission or a 1.4L Turbo mated with a 6 speed manual. The TrailRated edition of the BU is referred to as the Renegade Trailhawk.
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I have exactly the opposite experience.

A while back a guy was buying something from me off Craigslist and we were at the end of my driveway. He looked at my Jeep head on, parked about 30 feet away, and said something along the lines of, "Oh, you've got one of the gold Rubicons! You sure don't see many of those."

Two days ago I was in the garden center at Walmart buying some dirt (), and the guy told me to pull my car up and he'd load it. I pointed to the Jeep, this time about 50 feet away but with nothing parked beside it, and told him I could just grab a cart and load it. He also said something along the lines of, "Oh, the Rubicon?"

I couldn't stand it anymore and asked him how people automatically knew that my Jeep was a Rubi, and he looked at me sadly, like I was an idjit, and said because of the color. Well, that and the fact that it said Rubicon on the side of the hood Man, I couldn't have read that decal from that distance if my life had depended on it. Come to find out, he had owned 18 different Jeeps at one time or another and was in the process of building up a nice black one parked one lane over from mine.
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I have exactly the opposite experience.

A while back a guy was buying something from me off Craigslist and we were at the end of my driveway. He looked at my Jeep head on, parked about 30 feet away, and said something along the lines of, "Oh, you've got one of the gold Rubicons! You sure don't see many of those."

Two days ago I was in the garden center at Walmart buying some dirt (), and the guy told me to pull my car up and he'd load it. I pointed to the Jeep, this time about 50 feet away but with nothing parked beside it, and told him I could just grab a cart and load it. He also said something along the lines of, "Oh, the Rubicon?"

I couldn't stand it anymore and asked him how people automatically knew that my Jeep was a Rubi, and he looked at me sadly, like I was an idjit, and said because of the color. Well, that and the fact that it said Rubicon on the side of the hood Man, I couldn't have read that decal from that distance if my life had depended on it. Come to find out, he had owned 18 different Jeeps at one time or another and was in the process of building up a nice black one parked one lane over from mine.
It is quite possible that I am misreading your post, but here is my take on it as how I've read it.

He spotted the Rubi identifiers. Could be the stickers, most likely the wheels.

It's pretty easy to spot stock sports vs. saharas and rubis. The trim defines them.

Was heading back to my home city tonight with a group of guys I work with. We all just got off a boat after a month at sea. They know that I have a jeep and kinda like joking how every jeep on the road is one of my buddies.

But they don't see the differences that I do. So a stock sport is the equivalent to my sahara that I've debranded, lifted, rewheeled and tired, and made 15k$ of mods. Explained that I wish I had gotten the rubi with the front D44, and they just asked if 4 wheel still has Hi and Lo.

Yes, yes it does, and the differentials do actually still have splines and I absolutely changed out the muffler bearings for the off road versions. That's why it cost so much.
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It is quite possible that I am misreading your post, but here is my take on it as how I've read it.

He spotted the Rubi identifiers. Could be the stickers, most likely the wheels.
Nope, you read me right. I hate to admit that as long as I've been driving Jeeps, until I bought the Rubi I never really could have identified which type of Wrangler I was looking at beyond round or square headlights Stickers would be a given, but beyond that the fog lights and other trim would have just been written off as nice aftermarket mods the owner had done.

After researching Wrangler TJs for about 3 months before I finally bought my Rubi, I've gotten much better at knowing the differences between Wrangler models and what each has to offer. But even then my requirements were engine size (had to be 6 cyl., 4L), axle ratio, and 5 speed MT, and I didn't pay much attention to body accessories. So, I'm still impressed when I meet someone else who can glance at any Wrangler and tell what it is.

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