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alljeepev_ 08-11-2015 03:27 AM

HELP checking my YJ SOA parts list
 
hey guys,
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im new to the forums but ive been around Jeeps for a while. recently ive decided to undertake the challenge of converting my 1995 YJ into a spring over axle suspension. everywhere i look i see a different list and a different price and, im not gonna lie, it gets pretty confusing sometimes and its hard to keep track of what i NEED, not want and that's where i need your help. ill post my list with the part links and id like you to give me some input as to what i need to add or subtract and whether you think my setup will work. keep in mind, my vehicles suspension is completely stock at the moment and so are the axles.

anyways, my list...

Rubicon Express RXT2000B Steering Stabilizer
Rubicon Express SK010505RXJ Monotube Shock
4x Rubicon Express RE2055 Spring Plate
2x Rubicon Express RE2420 Dana 30 U-Bolt Kit for Jeep YJ
Rubicon Express RE1492 1.5" Spring Bushing Kit
4x Rubicon Express RE1445 1.5" Leaf Spring
Rubicon Express RE2500 Pitman Arm
Rugged Ridge 18676.60 Transfer Case Slip-Yoke Eliminator Kit

i know, i didn't list perches or brake line extensions, recommendations?

last note, this is more or less a "middle ground" build where i want the most quality for the cheapest it can be. im young, broke and ambitious. im more or less looking for the best "bang for my buck" while maintaining safety.

thanks!

links to parts:
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GJKNYW/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A20Q8IL2L CJW1S
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GJKZL8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GJP2CK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FQ1YUY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GJPEAK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002Y2WACI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006GJIWBS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1FYA2G4 M1W0LX
-http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E0REY24/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX 0DER

alljeepev_ 08-12-2015 04:12 AM

Bump

87TPIYJ 08-12-2015 08:37 PM

You have a long way to go in parts. You haven't mentioned any steering components and a steering stabilizer is not one of them. It is not needed if done correctly. There is a sticky in the tech section and TONS of threads on this site, jeep forum, pirate 4x4. That walk you through it. Make sure you understand suspension basics first like caster angle and geometry. I don't have a build thread on this site, but if you can't find your answers or have more specific questions then post up.




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alljeepev_ 08-13-2015 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 87TPIYJ (Post 20790538)
You have a long way to go in parts. You haven't mentioned any steering components and a steering stabilizer is not one of them. It is not needed if done correctly. There is a sticky in the tech section and TONS of threads on this site, jeep forum, pirate 4x4. That walk you through it. Make sure you understand suspension basics first like caster angle and geometry. I don't have a build thread on this site, but if you can't find your answers or have more specific questions then post up. Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

I know I have a long way to go, that's why I posted this asking for help. Is there anything you'd suggest? I've read many write ups and such but none of them are specific to my case and that's why I've posted this. Tell me parts and such that I've missed out and I'll add them. I'm new to this and I'm learning as I go.

alljeepev_ 08-14-2015 04:30 AM

Bump. Just need some parts advice. I've seen many SOA write ups but none for all stock YJs. I want to be able to safely lift for the least, no extra parts that can wait a little to add, etc.

Thanks!

MikeyinaYJ 08-14-2015 03:23 PM

You're going to need some type of crossover steering/high steer setup. Probably an anti wrap bar too.

alljeepev_ 08-14-2015 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyinaYJ (Post 20826321)
You're going to need some type of crossover steering/high steer setup. Probably an anti wrap bar too.

I've got the drop pitman arm to adjust the steering angle, will I need both? And recently I've read that the anti wrap bar is worthless and limits your actual flex. Any first hand knowledge?

alljeepev_ 08-15-2015 04:40 AM

Another (very) early bump. I've been doing lots of research, and I've found a few other SOA write up with nearly the same parts as mine and everyone claims they're close to spot on. One thing I've changed in my list is the perches, brake lines, u-bolts, spring plates, etc. not so much change but consolidate. I've decided that with adding the perches, brake lines, etc. that the RE SOA kit would be cheaper, so I'll be using that instead of parting my own kit together. Cheaper and simpler this way.

Id like to rephrase my initial topic question. Running the items that I've listed, would my SOA be drivable? If not, what else is required?

I need to lift my YJ as quickly as possible, as j won't have as much time later in the year and Id like to knock it out before winter. Let me know what you think, thanks!

MikeyinaYJ 08-15-2015 01:47 PM

The anti wrap bar I just built limits droop.. so im rebuilding it and trying a different design. Stocks springs take a beating on soa. My rear springs started to "s" the first week with no anti wrap system. The locker I have doesn't help but I believe the right spring pack will limit the wrap. But then you start to hinder flex that way as well.

MikeyinaYJ 08-15-2015 01:54 PM

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In this pic I have nothing but a drop pitman arm, granted I have one inch shackles and added a leaf to stock front springs. The drag link is straight riding on the spring. It drove with a ton of bump steer and hit when I turned passenger. Forget trying to flex it.

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4Jeepn 08-15-2015 02:02 PM

I used the Rough stuff kit for my XJ anti wrap bar.. works great, does not appear to limit flex all that much and best part no more busted driveshaft u joints...

alljeepev_ 08-16-2015 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyinaYJ (Post 20842353)
The anti wrap bar I just built limits droop.. so im rebuilding it and trying a different design. Stocks springs take a beating on soa. My rear springs started to "s" the first week with no anti wrap system. The locker I have doesn't help but I believe the right spring pack will limit the wrap. But then you start to hinder flex that way as well.

wow! And that right there is the reason I'm getting rid of my stock springs! Haha everywhere I've seen, I've read that the RE SOA springs are the best and limit wrap on their own. I'm sure over time it's bound to happen regardless though. I won't be super off-road oriented or anything like that, as this is my daily driver as well. With that being Said, would you consider the anti wrap bar essential to the safety/integrity of the lift? If not, Id like to hold off until I run into a bit more money.

alljeepev_ 08-16-2015 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyinaYJ (Post 20842425)
In this pic I have nothing but a drop pitman arm, granted I have one inch shackles and added a leaf to stock front springs. The drag link is straight riding on the spring. It drove with a ton of bump steer and hit when I turned passenger. Forget trying to flex it.

are you planning on fixing the bump steer? If so, how do you plan on doing this? I feel I may run into this problem as well and I might as well be prepared for it before it happens. Haha

alljeepev_ 08-16-2015 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn (Post 20842537)
I used the Rough stuff kit for my XJ anti wrap bar.. works great, does not appear to limit flex all that much and best part no more busted driveshaft u joints...

does the XJ anti wrap bolt straight over? If so, I'll probably be able to find one for cheap and save a little cash. I'll have to look into this a bit.

87TPIYJ 08-16-2015 11:29 AM

Dude are you trying to do it right or just cobble stuff together? If you want steering to be correct then you MUST have crossover steering or high steer. So would will need a new drag link. Do traction bars limit flex? Yeah a little, but what is more important? An inch or two of flex or ruining Springs and busting ujoints (which can lead to other things breaking). If you are that worried about flex. I have a traction bar and got a 918 on the RTI ramp with crown 0" lift HD Springs (stock size with 6 leafs).


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4Jeepn 08-16-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by alljeepev_ (Post 20851689)
does the XJ anti wrap bolt straight over? If so, I'll probably be able to find one for cheap and save a little cash. I'll have to look into this a bit.

Mounts like this to axle then you have to fab your own support bar for the shackle side... it also is welded to the axle and the frame. Shots are from install a year to two ago. usually should go on the other side..but exhaust was in the way..

alljeepev_ 08-16-2015 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 87TPIYJ (Post 20855137)
Dude are you trying to do it right or just cobble stuff together? If you want steering to be correct then you MUST have crossover steering or high steer. So would will need a new drag link. Do traction bars limit flex? Yeah a little, but what is more important? An inch or two of flex or ruining Springs and busting ujoints (which can lead to other things breaking). If you are that worried about flex. I have a traction bar and got a 918 on the RTI ramp with crown 0" lift HD Springs (stock size with 6 leafs). Sent from AutoGuide.com Free App

I know it must sounds confusing but I'm just trying to get the best of both worlds, throw it together and improve upon it later. I know that sounds like a terrible idea but it's my daily driver and it needs to be drivable ASAP

alljeepev_ 08-16-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Jeepn (Post 20856081)
Mounts like this to axle then you have to fab your own support bar for the shackle side... it also is welded to the axle and the frame. Shots are from install a year to two ago. usually should go on the other side..but exhaust was in the way..

im currently unable to weld so I'll be having a buddy doing all the welding. I'll have to do a little more research into this though. Right now it seems like a pretty promising route though.

MikeyinaYJ 08-17-2015 11:43 AM

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This is how I set up my steering. M.O.R.E. steering correction kit.

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alljeepev_ 08-17-2015 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyinaYJ (Post 20872697)
This is how I set up my steering. M.O.R.E. steering correction kit.

did you purchase online? If so, where? All I've found is a kit for $400+ 😭 and I've also read a few places that a DPA should suffice. Any objections?

bamabrock 08-17-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alljeepev_ (Post 20856425)
I know it must sounds confusing but I'm just trying to get the best of both worlds, throw it together and improve upon it later. I know that sounds like a terrible idea but it's my daily driver and it needs to be drivable ASAP

if that is the case, just install a small lift

alljeepev_ 08-19-2015 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bamabrock (Post 20875449)
if that is the case, just install a small lift

that was my original play but in order to save money in the long run, I felt this was best. Haha

StanF 08-20-2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bamabrock (Post 20875449)
if that is the case, just install a small lift

+1, excellent advice!

What do you want to do with your Jeep that requires SOA? What size tires do you want to run? What type of offroading do you do?

Do you have an SYE already?

What axle upgrades do you have planned? The stock axles (especially rear Dana 35) won't survive with the larger tires that you typically see when going SOA.

There are a bunch of different ways to build a Jeep, so you might want to rethink your plans and consider SUA with a smaller lift.


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