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Hey, those that run Goodyear duratracs I hear they measure 32" instead of the advertised 33". I'm looking to run this for now:

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I want to buy some 33" duratracs, and since they really measure 32 will they work with this set up? I will be taking these off road. I've decided to go with this set up to start with because I don't have the cash to buy the better kit (for 33's) yet. I think this kit starts a nice foundation for me so I can build up from it when the cash allows. In PA it's illegal to have any tire outside of fender range, if I get the crager soft 8's will they keep the duratracs under the fender and keep me from rubbing the wheel well? Also my main question is do I need to regear for these? I realize it's personal preference, but really I like the kick I have now, I can use 5th gear easily. I have an 04 TJ with a six cylinder engine. Everything else is stock. As far as I can tell, that kit should be complete for 32's, buying a 33 inch duratrac is a safe bet they'll fit?

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I didn't regear my 3.73s and they are good at highway speeds but are not so good for crawling. I'm okay with it since its my daily driver more than offroad rig. As far as fit, I have MT Classics with less backspacing than Cragars and they stick out pretty far. So far I haven't had any issues with being pulled over (knock on wood).
 

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yeah my jeep didn't pass inspection cause i have a stinger. He warned me that if my tires come out at all it won't pass period. such BS :/
 

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I spent the better part of the night reading MD state inspection laws and never found anything pertaining to wheel coverage for non-commercial trucks. If I do get pulled over, I want them to show or tell me the exact section that covers it. The only thing for commercial trucks was for mud flaps.
 

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ahh lucky! actually your jeep is exactly what I'm going for. I have a black one as well, yours looks kick ass man!
 

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Thanks. She's been a stocker up until the last two years when I finally started building up. Hopefully PA law is okay with out of staters since I live close and drive up to Raush Creek occasionally. :)
 

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Only issue I see is your stock flares covering the width of the tires. I have Bushwacker 6" flat flares and still have 1/4" sticking out.

No issues with spring height or manual and 3.73 gears.
 

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shoot, well maybe I'll have to go with a new tire :/ Anyone run the Cooper ST or STT and stick out a lot? One is an AT and the other a mud terrain right?
 

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I spent the better part of the night reading MD state inspection laws and never found anything pertaining to wheel coverage for non-commercial trucks. If I do get pulled over, I want them to show or tell me the exact section that covers it. The only thing for commercial trucks was for mud flaps.
im in MD as well and ive gotten pulled over for tires sticking out to far. got a verbal warning. the law in md is the tire tread needs to be covered. although, ive been running the same way without any more 5-0 issues, and have been pulled over 3 times since then.
 

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yeah my jeep didn't pass inspection cause i have a stinger. He warned me that if my tires come out at all it won't pass period. such BS :/
I agree w/you on the tires, it looks killer when a good looking tire sticks out a lil "but" im sure anybody here could agree w/me on this, we hate rocks being kicked up from bigger tires and needing to replace windshields more often than passenger cars...
 

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I agree w/you on the tires, it looks killer when a good looking tire sticks out a lil "but" im sure anybody here could agree w/me on this, we hate rocks being kicked up from bigger tires and needing to replace windshields more often than passenger cars...
i have a crack in my hella windshield light, but no damage other than that from trials/daily driving. and my tires stick out faaar.

i had 3.07s and 5th gear was useless. swapped 3.73s in and its MUCH better. now can use 5th
 

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I purchased my 04 TJ with 33 X 12.50 15's on it and 5th gear was useless. I put 4.10's and a speedo gear in it and it is perfect, lots of power and speedometer is dead on. I don't know about clearance issues bought mine with a 4 inch lift on it
 

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Coverage laws vary state to state but note, it is not only the width of flares that control debris and rocks from being thrown. It's also how much of the tire is exposed at the rear. There are also regulations for mud flaps. In NJ if more than half the height of the tire is exposed, you have to have mud flaps (I've seen stock vehicles have more that half showing. Look at the rear of a H3). This really seldom enforced but if you have to go through the special lift inspection, that will hit you on it. NJ flare coverage is that no more that 1" of tread can be exposed beyong the width of the flare.

I don't know how inspection is done in MD i.e. if it is a state inspection station or you can go to independant shops. I'd go to an independant shop who may not care or be more friendly towards regulations. Ask around here and look up local Jeep forums/organizations and ask where they get inspected.
 

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im in MD as well and ive gotten pulled over for tires sticking out to far. got a verbal warning. the law in md is the tire tread needs to be covered. although, ive been running the same way without any more 5-0 issues, and have been pulled over 3 times since then.
Did you find that part of the law written down or is that what the officer told you when he pulled you over. I can't find anything on their website stating exactly what the regs are.
 

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FYI most 33 tires measure less than 33 inches. There are only a few that measure a true 33. Mine measured 32.5 out of the box and pumped way up. at the correct air pressure they will be right around 32 or a little lower. You will be fine with them. As for a regear you will be okay there as well. Tire coverage I would suggest looking for extended flares or else a more narrow treaded 33 inch tire.
 

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Did you find that part of the law written down or is that what the officer told you when he pulled you over. I can't find anything on their website stating exactly what the regs are.
A google search for "maryland dmv fender, "coverage of wheels" "

11.14.02.08.htm

http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/getfile.aspx?file=11.14.02.08.htm

And they show a picture of guess what, a jeep. I deal with requirements and the statement for coverage, is a bit vague. "top of wheel and tire". I have not read it but my understanding of NJ regs defines coverage as the tread. The sidewall obviously extends beyound the width of the tread

MD reg - Reject Vehicle If:

3) Fender does not extend outward from the body to cover the top of wheel and tire.

4) The rear of all fenders do not extend downward to the horizontal centerline of the wheel.

(5) Fronts of all fenders do not extend forward from the vertical centerline of the wheel to at least within a 45-degree angle of the horizontal centerline.

(6) Fenders have been extended downward to compensate for suspension modifications.

(7) Fenders are missing.

8) Flaps do not cover the width of the wheels and tires or do not extend at least to the horizontal centerline of the wheels.
 

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Thanks. That a different website than the one I was directed to and much better. I'm still holding out until I get a fixit ticket.
A google search for "maryland dmv fender, "coverage of wheels" "

11.14.02.08.htm

http://www.dsd.state.md.us/comar/getfile.aspx?file=11.14.02.08.htm

And they show a picture of guess what, a jeep. I deal with requirements and the statement for coverage, is a bit vague. "top of wheel and tire". I have not read it but my understanding of NJ regs defines coverage as the tread. The sidewall obviously extends beyound the width of the tread

MD reg - Reject Vehicle If:

3) Fender does not extend outward from the body to cover the top of wheel and tire.

4) The rear of all fenders do not extend downward to the horizontal centerline of the wheel.

(5) Fronts of all fenders do not extend forward from the vertical centerline of the wheel to at least within a 45-degree angle of the horizontal centerline.

(6) Fenders have been extended downward to compensate for suspension modifications.

(7) Fenders are missing.

8) Flaps do not cover the width of the wheels and tires or do not extend at least to the horizontal centerline of the wheels.
 

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I'm running the 285/75-16 (~33") Duratracs on 16" Moabs on my '05 LJ with a 2"BB with no issues. OK, I has a slight rub on the front sway bar at full lock but added a couple of washers to the steering stops which cured it. With the 3.73 gears, I don't feel that I'd need to re-gear but I do have to downshift to 4th up hills at highway speeds when hauling my bike trailer. YMMV.

Can't tell you what the exact height of the installed tires are right now (Jeep is buried in snow in the driveway... stupid winter!) unfortunately.
 
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