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ive heard some talk about these two, whenever i decide to lift my tj, which should i go with, ive seen more say to toss the pitman and get a track bar
yea, who needs suspension seats when you got good milkcratesyou can skimp on seats, paint, mirrors, fuzzy dice, etc. but
If you install a dropped Pitman arm onto a TJ with otherwise stock steering components or a non-dropped upper trackbar mount, you WILL get bumpsteer.the drop pitman arm does fix your steering geometry, which is also needed. if you put on a drop pitman arm, the factory steering geometry is kept.
Hey Jerry, do you have that exact quote saved in a Word file so you can just copy and paste it when you need to?If you install a dropped Pitman arm onto a TJ with otherwise stock steering components or a non-dropped upper trackbar mount, you WILL get bumpsteer.
Installing a dropped Pitman arm on a TJ with anything less than at least 6" of lift is guaranteed to screw up the geometry and cause bumpsteer.
While a dropped Pitman arm was required for the older steering geometry used in both the CJ and YJ after installing nearly any suspension lift, the TJ's inverted-Y steering system has a newer improved steering design. The trackbar and draglink remain parallel to at least the 6" suspension lift height and dropping the upper part of the draglink via a dropped Pitman arm will just remove that required parallel relationship.
So unless you have a monster lift and/or you have installed some kind of trackbar that uses a dropped upper mounting point like the Rubicon Express 1610, avoid installing a dropped Pitman arm or it's guaranteed you will then quickly learn what the symptoms of bumpsteer are.![]()
No but I'm kind of on "non-thinking cruise control" when typing that particular answer out.Hey Jerry, do you have that exact quote saved in a Word file so you can just copy and paste it when you need to?![]()
I figured as much. I've seen you answer that question many times.No but I'm kind of on "non-thinking cruise control" when typing that particular answer out.![]()
For all us newbs - thank you for being so patient and answering again and again.No but I'm kind of on "non-thinking cruise control" when typing that particular answer out.![]()
which is why i stated that both a dropped pitman arm and a longer / adjustable tracbar shoudl be installed together, not seperately.If you install a dropped Pitman arm onto a TJ with otherwise stock steering components or a non-dropped upper trackbar mount, you WILL get bumpsteer.
Installing a dropped Pitman arm on a TJ with anything less than at least 6" of lift is guaranteed to screw up the geometry and cause bumpsteer.
While a dropped Pitman arm was required for the older steering geometry used in both the CJ and YJ after installing nearly any suspension lift, the TJ's inverted-Y steering system has a newer improved steering design. The trackbar and draglink remain parallel to at least the 6" suspension lift height and dropping the upper part of the draglink via a dropped Pitman arm will just remove that required parallel relationship.
So unless you have a monster lift and/or you have installed some kind of trackbar that uses a dropped upper mounting point like the Rubicon Express 1610, avoid installing a dropped Pitman arm or it's guaranteed you will then quickly learn what the symptoms of bumpsteer are.![]()
That a trackbar is adjustable for length has little to do with its angle that impacts whether a dropped Pitman arm is needed or not.. That it is adjustable for length only moves the axle left or right, but its angle barely changes. ONLY if that adjustable trackbar is mounted via a dropped upper frame mount should a dropped Pitman arm be installed. Drop the upper trackbar mount, you need to drop the Pitman arm so the draglink drops. If you don't drop one, you can't drop the other on a typical TJ lift. This isn't true on a CJ or YJ but it IS true on a TJ. Guys, this is a subject I'm very well versed in and there's a dead horse being beaten on the inaccurate info that a dropped Pitman arm should be installed when no matching dropped upper trackbar mount is also being installed like comes with RE's 1610 HD trackbar and matching 1611 dropped trackbar mounting bracket.which is why i stated that both a dropped pitman arm and a longer / adjustable tracbar shoudl be installed together, not seperately.