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Hey Guy,

I'm new so please work with me here. I've got a 2015 Jeep Wrangler Sahara with the X Package. It has a Radio 130 and Alpine "premium" sound. Honestly I'm not incredibly upset with the speakers or sound. My concern is the headunit.

Can I put an aftermarket headunit plug and play to work with the Alpine setup?

Thanks,

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Yes, to a point, you're going to need to buttsplice or solder the new receivers wiring harness to a wiring harness adapter that plugs into the factory harness. To maintain steering wheel controls you're going to need a module, you'll also need an antenna adapter, if you want Sirius you'll need a Sirius receiver and antenna adapter to use the factory SiriusXM antenna. The SiriusXM receiver comes with an antenna but it's easier to spend the $10 and use the factory antenna. If you order off crutchfield they'll suggest a bare minimum package and complete package to choose between and provide the necessary instructions. Crutchfield is an authorized retailer for what they sell so you're going to have the full manufacturers warranty, Amazon may be cheaper but almost all retailers are unauthorized so you don't get the warranty.
 

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I'm still slightly unsure. At this point I'd like to keep the alpine premium audio setup. I just want to change the head unit. Are you suggesting that crutchfield would be able to guide me on possible options and the complexities that could be involved?
 

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I added a Pioneer head unit to my JKU in 2011 HERE in this thread there are others also that replaced their head units.

In my case I have a 09 JKU Rubi w/ the Alpine Premium Audio w/o steering wheel controls. I got all of the adapters with the head unit. I did almost all of the work myself. The only part I was not comfortable to do was splicing in to the speedo for the GPS. I have had it in for 6 years, the only issue I have is a loose RCA pre amp out that rattles in the dash once in a while.

Crutchfield will give you the best info on what is needed to retain specific features. Every vehicle I have owned before this Jeep I have purchased and every radio myself without going to a install specialist.

I hope this helps you out.
 

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Even the Alpine set up sound terrible. I thought mine was bad. Maybe if your purchased
a Jeep radio 430 you would at least have a touch screen and might sound better.
Never saw an Alpine setup with radio 130.
 

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Even the Alpine set up sound terrible. I thought mine was bad. Maybe if your purchased
a Jeep radio 430 you would at least have a touch screen and might sound better.
Never saw an Alpine setup with radio 130.
430/N and 130/S all put out the same amount of power. They all sound the same.

The Alpine upgrade is available with the 130/S or the 430/N.
 

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My 2017 JKU Rubicon came with the 130 and the upgraded Alpine speaker setup and 8" sub in the trunk and quite frankly it is my first major upgrade in my Jeep. The sound quality was pretty poor and the integration on the 130 was very klutzy.

I ended up calling Crutchfield and bought a replacement radio (Pioneer AVIC-5200) along with a backup camera since my Jeep didn't come with one. I put myself through college in the late 80's/early 90's installing car audio so the job itself wasn't hard, just time-consuming. Crutchfield does a nice job of supplying good quality instructions on how to take apart the dash to remove the old radio, supply the wiring harness adapter and adapter plates to install the new radio and of course, great support to get you going. The only difficult part of my job was dealing with the interface control that you buy to adapt the steering wheel controls to the new radio. That just takes a little reading and some planning to accomplish.

My job took a total of about six hours, between taking everything apart, installing the camera, running the wiring, soldering the new harnesses, running the cable for the new handsfree mic, installing the GPS antenna and of course, mounting the radio and putting everything back together. The sound quality difference between the OEM head unit and the new one is a huge difference both in terms of sound quality and volume.
 

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Crutchfeild is the best place for all your audio needs. Let me ask did you have to trim the upper dash a little with the Pioneer. I`m not to big on trimming anything in my Jeep.
 

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Crutchfeild is the best place for all your audio needs. Let me ask did you have to trim the upper dash a little with the Pioneer. I`m not to big on trimming anything in my Jeep.
I ended up making two vertical slices the width of the opening, basically extending the pocket and removing the piece in-between and above the opening. It didn't seem to affect the structural nature of the installation whatsoever. I put a rubber block on the back of the radio, supported by a bolt to provide greater stability and to distribute the weight of the radio better.
 

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My 2017 JKU Rubicon came with the 130 and the upgraded Alpine speaker setup and 8" sub in the trunk and quite frankly it is my first major upgrade in my Jeep. The sound quality was pretty poor and the integration on the 130 was very klutzy.

I ended up calling Crutchfield and bought a replacement radio (Pioneer AVIC-5200) along with a backup camera since my Jeep didn't come with one. I put myself through college in the late 80's/early 90's installing car audio so the job itself wasn't hard, just time-consuming. Crutchfield does a nice job of supplying good quality instructions on how to take apart the dash to remove the old radio, supply the wiring harness adapter and adapter plates to install the new radio and of course, great support to get you going. The only difficult part of my job was dealing with the interface control that you buy to adapt the steering wheel controls to the new radio. That just takes a little reading and some planning to accomplish.

My job took a total of about six hours, between taking everything apart, installing the camera, running the wiring, soldering the new harnesses, running the cable for the new handsfree mic, installing the GPS antenna and of course, mounting the radio and putting everything back together. The sound quality difference between the OEM head unit and the new one is a huge difference both in terms of sound quality and volume.
I had the same set up in my '16 HR... 130S HU + the premium Alpine sound. Till yesterday, that is. I added a Pioneer AVH-X5600BHS head unit (No camera). Took about 4 hours for the install, and most of that was making the harness connections and double checking everything before putting it all back together. It worked on first power up like it's supposed to, but I have a question or two, or three, or...

1) Have you noticed more sound coming from your front speakers now than from the sound bar? The sound from the front speakers is way louder now than from the back since the install.

2) Have you lost fade control? I have, and now I cannot balance the volume between front and back. When I fade 100% to the rear, there is no sound. When it shows "balanced" on the head unit, there is sound from the back but not as much as the front as stated.

3) Did you take a look at the stock Alpine amp? I didn't but wish I did. I'm curious as to whether the gain for the back speakers can be increased at the amp?

4) Does the stock Alpine amp have RCA inputs? If so, could I disconnect the speaker wires at the harness, plug them into the amp, and run RCA cables from the head unit to the amp? That would fix the fade issue if it could be done on this amp.

Sorry for so many questions... i will say however... even with the unbalanced sound between front and back, the difference in the sound going to the Pioneer from the 130S is amazing.
 

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Even the Alpine set up sound terrible. I thought mine was bad. Maybe if your purchased
a Jeep radio 430 you would at least have a touch screen and might sound better.
Never saw an Alpine setup with radio 130.
430/N and 130/S all put out the same amount of power. They all sound the same.

The Alpine upgrade is available with the 130/S or the 430/N.
Does simply replacing the head unit to let's say a pioneer headunit increase the sound quality. (Assuming we keep everything else identical.)
 

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Does simply replacing the head unit to let's say a pioneer headunit increase the sound quality. (Assuming we keep everything else identical.)
Typically yes, as most aftermarket head units put out more power than the OEM head units.
 
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Plus the OEM 130 radio has a pitiful I-wouldn't-quite-call-it-an-equalizer for sound adjustment.
 

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I had the same set up in my '16 HR... 130S HU + the premium Alpine sound. Till yesterday, that is. I added a Pioneer AVH-X5600BHS head unit (No camera). Took about 4 hours for the install, and most of that was making the harness connections and double checking everything before putting it all back together. It worked on first power up like it's supposed to, but I have a question or two, or three, or...

1) Have you noticed more sound coming from your front speakers now than from the sound bar? The sound from the front speakers is way louder now than from the back since the install.

2) Have you lost fade control? I have, and now I cannot balance the volume between front and back. When I fade 100% to the rear, there is no sound. When it shows "balanced" on the head unit, there is sound from the back but not as much as the front as stated.

3) Did you take a look at the stock Alpine amp? I didn't but wish I did. I'm curious as to whether the gain for the back speakers can be increased at the amp?

4) Does the stock Alpine amp have RCA inputs? If so, could I disconnect the speaker wires at the harness, plug them into the amp, and run RCA cables from the head unit to the amp? That would fix the fade issue if it could be done on this amp.

Sorry for so many questions... i will say however... even with the unbalanced sound between front and back, the difference in the sound going to the Pioneer from the 130S is amazing.
Chazter sorry that I missed this post! I have to say, I wonder if you somehow connected your radio to the Alpine OEM setup via the RCA outputs on the radio? In my case, the Chrysler wiring harness adapter had both left/right front/rear speaker inputs, two per speaker that simply connected to the OEM Pioneer wiring harness. I believe that the rear channels and sound bar are connected to the same circuit.

In my case, the fader and balance control on the radio works like factory. One thing I did have to go back and repair was the little amp connectors that were present on that Chrysler wiring harness adapter and interface box that allow the sound from the radio to fade out when bluetooth and phone-related functions came through. I had them set up how I thought they should be (green to green and white to white) and my radio would recognize the incoming call on the phone and screen but no volume would come through. A simple reversing of each of them to green/white and white/green got everything going again.
 

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Chazter sorry that I missed this post! I have to say, I wonder if you somehow connected your radio to the Alpine OEM setup via the RCA outputs on the radio? In my case, the Chrysler wiring harness adapter had both left/right front/rear speaker inputs, two per speaker that simply connected to the OEM Pioneer wiring harness. I believe that the rear channels and sound bar are connected to the same circuit.

In my case, the fader and balance control on the radio works like factory. One thing I did have to go back and repair was the little amp connectors that were present on that Chrysler wiring harness adapter and interface box that allow the sound from the radio to fade out when bluetooth and phone-related functions came through. I had them set up how I thought they should be (green to green and white to white) and my radio would recognize the incoming call on the phone and screen but no volume would come through. A simple reversing of each of them to green/white and white/green got everything going again.
No worries man. And no actually I did not use the RCA jacks. I used the CH1 harness to make all of the connections. I plan this weekend however to install an Alpine amp I have left over from the components I took out of the car I traded for the Jeep. I'm going to disconnect the four speaker lines from the head unit and run RCA cables from the head unit to the amp and then power the 8 speakers that way. I'll leave the sub hooked up stock. That way I'll regain my fade control, and the rear speakers will be back to normal.

All I need to do is find a good way to mount the amp in a manner that's accessible but hidden and vented, and figure out if I need to run new speaker wires or see if I can tie into them just down stream of the Jeep harness.

Oh and the reason I lost my fade control is because my Pioneer head unit is not Idatalink Maestro "compatible" meaning I don't have access to all of the telemetry on the head unit screen that I would have with a another stereo. I don't have the USB 2 plug installed for that reason.
 

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Ah, okay... well that explains the reason your unit wouldn't fade! I was considering installing an amp on my setup and was considering mounting it upside-down from the bottom of the passenger seat. I would also consider a small fan blowing across it as well if the space is available.
 

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Update: so having the ipad and 130n setup for a minute now... I'm getting used to the quirks. It's not the worst set up ever. Looks good. Works okay. Since it's already in play I plan on hanging on to it.

Questions:

While keeping the factory 130 Head Unit currently working with the Alpine speakers. What can I do to improve sound? Add base?

If I wanted to add a sub and amp, would that be a relatively easy add on?

Thanks,

FJP
 
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