So I figured I would share what I saw at Harbor Freight in case anyone was interested. I think this was the first time I have been to HF. Keep in mind I am in the Army and have spent over half of my 19 years overseas. Anyway, the HF in Santa Maria, CA is having a sidewalk sale and they have the Badlands 12,000lbs winch on sale for $299. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. I would probably get it but am already planning on getting the Engo winch. Not sure if all HFs are doing this sale but might be worth a trip to find out.